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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2022 1:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2022 2:02:05 GMT -5
There are hundreds of pages where young Jackie has been referred to as a mezzo. Since Jackie has said that her voice type has not changed, she is still a mezzo today.
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Post by lawrence on Jul 11, 2022 18:04:17 GMT -5
There are hundreds of pages where young Jackie has been referred to as a mezzo. Since Jackie has said that her voice type has not changed, she is still a mezzo today. That's clever but faulty reasoning. She has never said her voice type is mezzo, that I've heard. Mezzo-soprano is the classical definition of a trained voice type. Jackie is not classically trained, never considered herself a classical singer, nor has she identified with the classical community as a mezzo-soprano. She has the range of an untrained or choir soprano, and countless hundreds have called her a soprano since she was a child. You said she "cannot be described as a soprano". But that's only within the classical community and by technical definition. Even then the term "mezzo" cannot be rightly attributed to Jackie who is not classically trained to have any particular voice type. The closest she'd come to mezzo is first or second "alto" in a choir. In the public view, she is a soprano by laymen's terms and that is not incorrect. What matters is that they love her untrained, exceptionally clear, beautiful and effortless high notes....."soaring" and "ethereal", they say....."She should play Christine Daae"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2022 23:28:56 GMT -5
There are hundreds of pages where young Jackie has been referred to as a mezzo. Since Jackie has said that her voice type has not changed, she is still a mezzo today. That's clever but faulty reasoning. She has never said her voice type is mezzo, that I've heard. Mezzo-soprano is the classical definition of a trained voice type. Jackie is not classically trained, never considered herself a classical singer, nor has she identified with the classical community as a mezzo-soprano. She has the range of an untrained or choir soprano, and countless hundreds have called her a soprano since she was a child. You said she "cannot be described as a soprano". But that's only within the classical community and by technical definition. Even then the term "mezzo" cannot be rightly attributed to Jackie who is not classically trained to have any particular voice type. The closest she'd come to mezzo is first or second "alto" in a choir. In the public view, she is a soprano by laymen's terms and that is not incorrect. What matters is that they love her untrained, exceptionally clear, beautiful and effortless high notes....."soaring" and "ethereal", they say....."She should play Christine Daae" Nonsense as always, mezzo-soprano Is a term that is always valid for every musical genre. Here's a video for the unsuspecting. Jackie was labeled a mezzo-soprano as a kid, that's a fact, in wikipedia. jackie's mother said so. jackie's voice range, timbre, passagio and lower tone prove that Jackie is a mezzo-soprano.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 1:54:49 GMT -5
There are hundreds of pages where young Jackie has been referred to as a mezzo. Since Jackie has said that her voice type has not changed, she is still a mezzo today. That's clever but faulty reasoning. She has never said her voice type is mezzo, that I've heard. Mezzo-soprano is the classical definition of a trained voice type. Jackie is not classically trained, never considered herself a classical singer, nor has she identified with the classical community as a mezzo-soprano. She has the range of an untrained or choir soprano, and countless hundreds have called her a soprano since she was a child. You said she "cannot be described as a soprano". But that's only within the classical community and by technical definition. Even then the term "mezzo" cannot be rightly attributed to Jackie who is not classically trained to have any particular voice type. The closest she'd come to mezzo is first or second "alto" in a choir. In the public view, she is a soprano by laymen's terms and that is not incorrect. What matters is that they love her untrained, exceptionally clear, beautiful and effortless high notes....."soaring" and "ethereal", they say....."She should play Christine Daae" She should play Christine Daae, So why does Jackie sing songs of the Phantom in particular? It's not about what fans think, it's about what voice type Jackie is. this is determined by vocal range, timbre, transition, quality of the low tones and nose size. Vocal Range = D3-B5=Mezzo, Timbre= Golden = Warm = Mezzo, Transition, E4-F5 =Mezzo, Deep Tones= Powerful from F3 = Mezzo, Big Nose=Mezzo
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 3:57:33 GMT -5
jackie Evancho is a professional singer, as such she should be evaluated. She is not a choir singer, not an untrained singer. If Jackie is considered a great vocal talent, then her voice type must be defined. A great vocal talent with soprano voice type should be able to sing correspondingly high notes, higher than C6. Jackie can't do that. A great vocal talent with mezzo-soprano voice type should be able to sing vigorously down to F3 and up to B5, Jackie can do that. Consequence of these statements, Jackie is a vocal talent with mezzo-soprano voice, but she is not a vocal talent with soprano voice.
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Post by lawrence on Jul 23, 2022 9:57:16 GMT -5
Jackie cannot be described as a soprano. there are no pure voices, Why doesn't Jackie sing with the head voice in River and Both Sides Now? jackie sings an f4 in the chorus of BSN, if that is her head voice that would be her passagio or lower. The head part of women starts much higher, between d5 and f5. This is the upper passagio. So no head voice. You can hear when someone is singing in a different register. jackie Evancho is a professional singer, as such she should be evaluated. Most people would consider this vocal coach qualified to "evaluate" Jackie. I suspect you will find some excuse to discredit her. Nevertheless, one can conclude that Jackie CAN be described as a soprano. This coach just did by association with her own voice. A few of her remarks; "...us SOPRANOS"....."beautiful PURE head voice"...."she is NOT MIXING, but a very nice supported head voice"..."Jackie has very distinct registers to her voice".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 0:34:00 GMT -5
Jackie cannot be described as a soprano. there are no pure voices, Why doesn't Jackie sing with the head voice in River and Both Sides Now? jackie sings an f4 in the chorus of BSN, if that is her head voice that would be her passagio or lower. The head part of women starts much higher, between d5 and f5. This is the upper passagio. So no head voice. You can hear when someone is singing in a different register. jackie Evancho is a professional singer, as such she should be evaluated. Most people would consider this vocal coach qualified to "evaluate" Jackie. I suspect you will find some excuse to discredit her. Nevertheless, one can conclude that Jackie CAN be described as a soprano. This coach just did by association with her own voice. A few of her remarks; Inferring soprano based on BSN is improbable. She probably just read it. "Us sopranos" does not necessarily include Jackie. As an example, for us men, Jackie sings quite high. That doesn't make Jackie a man yet. The lady only ever talks about headvoice, interesting. and from many different registers, how much, 5 or 7, strange. Jackie sings very low in pure headvoice, F4, but powerful, interesting, or unbelievable? it sounds more like mixed headvoice to me. Does this lady even know Jackie's real head voice, probably not? I can't recognice that Jackie sings classically here, it all sounds natural, speak more for mixed voice. It will annoy Jackie when she sees this, as she wants to sound more modern. There are no pure voices, that's right, what you call a pure voice is a harmonious voice without many overtones, it's not pure In the true sense of the word pure. You yourself consider a vocal coach unsuitable for training and now you use one to justify your ideology.
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Post by lawrence on Jul 24, 2022 13:59:22 GMT -5
Those who have watched the video can determine for themselves whether or not this vocal coach knows what she's talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 23:58:08 GMT -5
Those who have watched the video can determine for themselves whether or not this vocal coach knows what she's talking about. But only after the lady googled Jackie Evancho. Nowhere was it said Jackie was a soprano, you can't either based on a video. The lady underestimates Jackie's ability to mix her voice, Jackie mixes a lot between chest mix and head mix and it does it seamlessly, so her transition is seamless too. As a Jackie fan you should know and realize that Jackie's real head voice is even cleaner.
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Post by lawrence on Jul 25, 2022 22:13:19 GMT -5
Those who have watched the video can determine for themselves whether or not this vocal coach knows what she's talking about. But only after the lady googled Jackie Evancho. Nowhere was it said Jackie was a soprano, you can't either based on a video. The lady underestimates Jackie's ability to mix her voice, Jackie mixes a lot between chest mix and head mix and it does it seamlessly, so her transition is seamless too. As a Jackie fan you should know and realize that Jackie's real head voice is even cleaner. Wikipedia (the voice coach said "Wikipedia") does not state that Jackie is a soprano, except with a short sentence mid-way down the Early Assessments section that she could not have read with a cursory scan of the first page. Early Assessments is way past mention of David Foster near the bottom of the Contents box. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_EvanchoSo, the voice coach gave her assessment of Jackie's performance based on her own perception that Jackie is a soprano.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 0:29:19 GMT -5
But only after the lady googled Jackie Evancho. Nowhere was it said Jackie was a soprano, you can't either based on a video. The lady underestimates Jackie's ability to mix her voice, Jackie mixes a lot between chest mix and head mix and it does it seamlessly, so her transition is seamless too. As a Jackie fan you should know and realize that Jackie's real head voice is even cleaner. Wikipedia (the voice coach said "Wikipedia") does not state that Jackie is a soprano, except with a short sentence mid-way down the Early Assessments section that she could not have read with a cursory scan of the first page. Early Assessments is way past mention of David Foster near the bottom of the Contents box. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_EvanchoSo, the voice coach gave her assessment of Jackie's performance based on her own perception that Jackie is a soprano. As I wrote before, the lady never says Jackie is a soprano, she doesn't say anything about a voice type, that's just your imagination. It's just an analysis of a song nothing more.
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Post by lawrence on Jul 27, 2022 10:43:13 GMT -5
Wikipedia (the voice coach said "Wikipedia") does not state that Jackie is a soprano, except with a short sentence mid-way down the Early Assessments section that she could not have read with a cursory scan of the first page. Early Assessments is way past mention of David Foster near the bottom of the Contents box. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_EvanchoSo, the voice coach gave her assessment of Jackie's performance based on her own perception that Jackie is a soprano. As I wrote before, the lady never says Jackie is a soprano, she doesn't say anything about a voice type, that's just your imagination. It's just an analysis of a song nothing more. Who else would she have been referring to saying "us sopranos" but Jackie and herself? I think the folks reading this get her meaning. Excerpt from American Songwriter/The craft of music: "Her new single, scheduled for release tomorrow, October 23, finds her offering a rich and riveting take on Joni Mitchell’s classic “River,” a song that’s perfect for her lilting soprano vocals and the purity and perfection she finds within her upper register."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2022 14:08:33 GMT -5
As I wrote before, the lady never says Jackie is a soprano, she doesn't say anything about a voice type, that's just your imagination. It's just an analysis of a song nothing more. Who else would she have been referring to saying "us sopranos" but Jackie and herself? I think the folks reading this get her meaning. Excerpt from American Songwriter/The craft of music: "Her new single, scheduled for release tomorrow, October 23, finds her offering a rich and riveting take on Joni Mitchell’s classic “River,” a song that’s perfect for her lilting soprano vocals and the purity and perfection she finds within her upper register." None of your arguments make sense. An analysis of a song and a statement by the American Songwriter, what the hell is that supposed to prove. As I wrote before, Jackie's tessitura, Jackie's timbre, Jackie's anatomy and Jackie's passagio all say that Jackie is a mezzo-soprano. That's all that counts.
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