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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 10:21:50 GMT -5
Jackie is usually referred to here as a soprano, but she sings fundamentally under the realm of a soprano. Jackie's recorded voice range is d3-b5. Jackie usually sings in the range A3-c4. Jackie only sings really hard up to F5. In my opinion, Jackie cannot be described as a soprano. But what type of voice is it.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 15, 2022 11:07:48 GMT -5
Jackie is usually referred to here as a soprano, but she sings fundamentally under the realm of a soprano. Jackie's recorded voice range is d3-b5. Jackie usually sings in the range A3-c4. Jackie only sings really hard up to F5. In my opinion, Jackie cannot be described as a soprano. But what type of voice is it. "The word "soprano" comes from the Italian word sopra (above, over, on top of), as soprano is the highest pitch human voice, often given to the leading female roles in operas. In choral music, the soprano is the highest vocal range, above the alto, tenor, and bass. Sopranos commonly sing in the tessitura G4-A5. The solo soprano range is C4-C6. Sopranos can be separated into first soprano (highest part) and second soprano (lower soprano part). In contrast to choral singing, in classical solo singing a person is classified through the identification of several vocal traits, including range, vocal timbre, vocal weight, vocal tessitura, vocal resonance, and passaggio (transition point from chest to head voice or falsetto) within the singer's voice. Jackie has been called a Mezzo-soprano, a sub-type just below soprano, because it's assumed that her tessitura is mezzo because of the beautiful coloring she gives her lower register which for the greater part of her youth was forced (not comfortable). Today she is very comfortable in the mezzo register. But actually her tessitura is in the higher register because of the ease with which she executes the high-notes and her exceptional clarity, characteristic "bell-tone" quality. She was acknowledged to have a "pure" soprano voice at age 10 and has retained that purity throughout her vocal development. The purity of her voice in the soprano register, among other traits, distinguishes her a soprano. Also her passaggio occurs higher than a mezzo, that is, the mezzo voice is compelled to use head voice or falsetto at a lower range than the soprano. Jackie is unique in that she can use head voice or falsetto selectively in the lower or higher range when she wants that particular effect, but it isn't necessary for her to reach the top of the soprano range, even a little higher, as it generally is for a mezzo. And, as a side note, her passaggio is uniquely "seamless", meaning it is barely noticeable, if at all. That is not generally characteristic of a mezzo who's passaggio is quite apparent.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 12:03:46 GMT -5
Jackie is usually referred to here as a soprano, but she sings fundamentally under the realm of a soprano. Jackie's recorded voice range is d3-b5. Jackie usually sings in the range A3-c4. Jackie only sings really hard up to F5. In my opinion, Jackie cannot be described as a soprano. But what type of voice is it. "The word "soprano" comes from the Italian word sopra (above, over, on top of), as soprano is the highest pitch human voice, often given to the leading female roles in operas. In choral music, the soprano is the highest vocal range, above the alto, tenor, and bass. Sopranos commonly sing in the tessitura G4-A5. The solo soprano range is C4-C6. Sopranos can be separated into first soprano (highest part) and second soprano (lower soprano part). In contrast to choral singing, in classical solo singing a person is classified through the identification of several vocal traits, including range, vocal timbre, vocal weight, vocal tessitura, vocal resonance, and passaggio (transition point from chest to head voice or falsetto) within the singer's voice. Jackie has been called a Mezzo-soprano, a sub-type just below soprano, because it's assumed that her tessitura is mezzo because of the beautiful coloring she gives her lower register which for the greater part of her youth was forced (not comfortable). Today she is very comfortable in the mezzo register. But actually her tessitura is in the higher register because of the ease with which she executes the high-notes and her exceptional clarity, characteristic "bell-tone" quality. She was acknowledged to have a "pure" soprano voice at age 10 and has retained that purity throughout her vocal development. The purity of her voice in the soprano register, among other traits, distinguishes her a soprano. Also her passaggio occurs higher than a mezzo, that is, the mezzo voice is compelled to use falsetto at a lower range than the soprano. Jackie is unique in that she can use falsetto selectively in the lower or higher range when she wants that particular effect, but it isn't necessary for her to reach the top of the soprano range, even a little higher, as it generally is for a mezzo. And, as a side note, her passaggio is uniquely "seamless", meaning it is barely noticeable, if at all. That is not generally characteristic of a mezzo who's passaggio is quite apparent. So in my opinion, Jackie is definitely not a soprano today, her tessitura is not that of a soprano. Classical assessment is only useful for trained singers. There are two passagio. The transition from chest voice to mixed voice and between mixed and head voice. Katherine Jenkins (mezzo) sounds much brighter in principle like Jackie, Hayley Westenra (soprano). it is also normal that female singers can sing with a head voice, it just doesn't make sense.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 15, 2022 12:34:16 GMT -5
it is also normal that female singers can sing with a head voice, it just doesn't make sense. It's not a matter of "can" but one of necessity. Head voice, or falsetto, is necessary when a singer doesn't have the range needed to hit a high note beyond her chest voice range, or has to strain to hit it which is not desirable. It is sometimes called a "false voice" for that reason. Jackie is noted for hitting soprano high notes effortlessly. She doesn't need falsetto, but rather uses it as an affect when she wants to give the note a soft lyrical quality, rather than belt it with chest voice which she does equally well.
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Post by Willyiam on Jun 15, 2022 12:35:37 GMT -5
"The word "soprano" comes from the Italian word sopra (above, over, on top of), as soprano is the highest pitch human voice, often given to the leading female roles in operas. In choral music, the soprano is the highest vocal range, above the alto, tenor, and bass. Sopranos commonly sing in the tessitura G4-A5. The solo soprano range is C4-C6. Sopranos can be separated into first soprano (highest part) and second soprano (lower soprano part). In contrast to choral singing, in classical solo singing a person is classified through the identification of several vocal traits, including range, vocal timbre, vocal weight, vocal tessitura, vocal resonance, and passaggio (transition point from chest to head voice or falsetto) within the singer's voice. Jackie has been called a Mezzo-soprano, a sub-type just below soprano, because it's assumed that her tessitura is mezzo because of the beautiful coloring she gives her lower register which for the greater part of her youth was forced (not comfortable). Today she is very comfortable in the mezzo register. But actually her tessitura is in the higher register because of the ease with which she executes the high-notes and her exceptional clarity, characteristic "bell-tone" quality. She was acknowledged to have a "pure" soprano voice at age 10 and has retained that purity throughout her vocal development. The purity of her voice in the soprano register, among other traits, distinguishes her a soprano. Also her passaggio occurs higher than a mezzo, that is, the mezzo voice is compelled to use falsetto at a lower range than the soprano. Jackie is unique in that she can use falsetto selectively in the lower or higher range when she wants that particular effect, but it isn't necessary for her to reach the top of the soprano range, even a little higher, as it generally is for a mezzo. And, as a side note, her passaggio is uniquely "seamless", meaning it is barely noticeable, if at all. That is not generally characteristic of a mezzo who's passaggio is quite apparent. So in my opinion, Jackie is definitely not a soprano today, her tessitura is not that of a soprano. Classical assessment is only useful for trained singers. There are two passagio. The transition from chest voice to mixed voice and between mixed and head voice. Katherine Jenkins (mezzo) sounds much brighter in principle like Jackie, Hayley Westenra (soprano). it is also normal that female singers can sing with a head voice, it just doesn't make sense. According to the "Experts", back in the day on Amazon, Jackie was a Light Lyric Soprano and, IMHO, through ageing, has developed into a Full Lyric Soprano! And, according to all experts on the Web, Jackie is definitely a Soprano!!
This is a review from American Songwriter for Jackie's version of Joni Mitchell's "River"!
"Her new single, scheduled for release tomorrow, October 23, finds her offering a rich and riveting take on the Joni Mitchell’s classic “River,” a song that’s perfect for her lilting soprano vocals and the purity and perfection she finds within her upper register."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 12:48:45 GMT -5
So in my opinion, Jackie is definitely not a soprano today, her tessitura is not that of a soprano. Classical assessment is only useful for trained singers. There are two passagio. The transition from chest voice to mixed voice and between mixed and head voice. Katherine Jenkins (mezzo) sounds much brighter in principle like Jackie, Hayley Westenra (soprano). it is also normal that female singers can sing with a head voice, it just doesn't make sense. According to the "Experts", back in the day on Amazon, Jackie was a Light Lyric Soprano and, IMHO, through ageing, has developed into a Full Lyric Soprano! And, according to all experts on the Web, Jackie is definitely a Soprano!!
This is a review from American Songwriter for Jackie's version of Joni Mitchell's "River"!
"Her new single, scheduled for release tomorrow, October 23, finds her offering a rich and riveting take on the Joni Mitchell’s classic “River,” a song that’s perfect for her lilting soprano vocals and the purity and perfection she finds within her upper register."
How about proper evidence, statements of today from people who have the knowledge to prove it. There are none, I know. Classifying Jackie in any way is difficult to impossible. What kind of Singer categorie should Jackie be classified in today. This is the problem. You sound like every Ott fan I've heard. No reasonable arguments, only statements without value. Thats CLear.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 15, 2022 13:05:06 GMT -5
How about proper evidence, statements of today from people who have the knowledge to prove it. There are none, I know. Classifying Jackie in any way is difficult to impossible. What kind of categorie should Jackie be classified in today. This is the problem. Please offer statements and who has made them as "evidence" that she is NOT a soprano. What makes it a problem for you, I suspect, is that Jackie has an incredible nearly 3-octave range which makes it hard to confine her voice type in limited terms such as "mezzo-soprano". Her range encompasses them both, and she moves effortlessly between them. She is a soprano, and always has been, except to those who want for their own reason to define her a mezzo, which I addressed in my first reply to you. It's her soprano clarity that has been her signature from age 10 to the present, and therefore has defined her a soprano. As far as I know, no one but a few who comment on YouTube have called her a mezzo-soprano, and they're certainly not voice experts. Just a note: You ought to spell "type" correctly in the thread title.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 13:44:08 GMT -5
How about proper evidence, statements of today from people who have the knowledge to prove it. There are none, I know. Classifying Jackie in any way is difficult to impossible. What kind of categorie should Jackie be classified in today. This is the problem. Please offer statements and who has made them as "evidence" that she is NOT a soprano. What makes it a problem for you, I suspect, is that Jackie has an incredible 3-octave range which makes it hard to confine her voice type in limited terms such as "mezzo-soprano". Her range encompasses them both, and she moves effortlessly between them, although, the bottom of her range is not as low as the mezzo. She is a soprano, and always has been, except to those who want for their own reason to define her a mezzo, which I addressed in my first reply to you. It's her soprano clarity that has been her signature from age 10 to the present, and therefore has defined her a soprano. As far as I know, no one but a few who comment on YouTube have called her a mezzo-soprano, and they're certainly not voice experts. it's CLear. d3 to b5 that's less than 3 octaves, Jackie sings 7 notes below soprano, and one note above mezzo, jackie sings lower than Katherine Jenkins who is a mezzo. All data speak for Mezzo. Saying Jackie was always a soprano is just stupid. Females change their voices twice at a young age. In my opinion, a soprano that rapidly decreases from f5 is worse than a mezzo that sounds consistently good in its area. It would only have advantages.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 14:09:08 GMT -5
The tessitura of a lyric soprano is c4 to c6, that of a lyric mezzo is g3 to b5, whichever fits better. These are facts.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 15, 2022 14:37:30 GMT -5
Females change their voices twice at a young age. In my opinion, a soprano that rapidly decreases from f5 is worse than a mezzo that sounds consistently good in its area. Why do you say her voice has "rapidly decreased"? In fact her recorded high note is B5 at age 16 in Attesa, only one half tone lower than the soprano high note, C6 (soprano range C4-C6). Is that because Both Sides Now doesn't demonstrate the extent of her range? Many of her songs don't. Her range is from E3 to practice range E6 (3 octaves). Her performance range has increased since she was a child and she has retained her soprano purity even through puberty, the most significant voice change at age 13/14. You have not given evidence, "data" that proves Jackie "is not a soprano" as you assert....only your opinion. As it was said, "You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 15:34:03 GMT -5
Females change their voices twice at a young age. In my opinion, a soprano that rapidly decreases from f5 is worse than a mezzo that sounds consistently good in its area. Why do you say her voice has "rapidly decreased"? In fact her recorded high note is B5 at age 16 in Attesa, only one half tone lower than the soprano high note, C6 (soprano range C4-C6). Is that because Both Sides Now doesn't demonstrate the extent of her range? Many of her songs don't. Her range is from E3 to practice range E6 (3 octaves). Her performance range has increased since she was a child and she has retained her soprano purity even through puberty, the most significant voice change at age 13/14. You have not given evidence, "data" that proves Jackie "is not a soprano" as you assert....only your opinion. As it was said, "You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts". above f5 jackie can only sing with almost no formants, the tones are thin, not those of a soprano. You can hear that. A soprano sings up to c6 with formants. Jackie only up to f5. Which exercise area, from when, evidence. there is not any. Only the provable area counts. d3 - b5 (f5). That's below c6. That's proof that jackie isn't a soprano. this is data. That's all you need. this is more than what you can do. You have nothing. You cannot provide any provable data on Jackie's ability as a soprano. I can prove that jackie's provable range is sufficient for mezzo. You can keep believing your nonsense, but you're not helping Jackie, you're harming her. But you do that all the time.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 15, 2022 16:33:47 GMT -5
above f5 jackie can only sing with almost no formants, the tones are thin, not those of a soprano. You said earlier "Classical assessment is only useful for trained singers.". You are assessing her tones ("thin") according to a classical description (formants") to disqualify her a soprano. Her tones are "PURE" within the soprano range (C4-C6) as an untrained singer. Purity of tone has characterized Jackie a soprano to this day. Can you prove that her tone is NOT pure? Jackie's "provable range" is NOT "sufficient for mezzo" because her bottom range (E3) is higher than the mezzo bottom range (A3) by 2 1/2 notes. Whereas, her recorded soprano range is (B5) is higher than the mezzo (A5), not to mention her practice range (at least E3, according to her mother). A practice range is expected to be higher of course and a measure of one's capability, which may become evident in the future. Enough of this bantering about range. The facts are there. How can I be "harming" Jackie by stating that she is a soprano, when she is acknowledged as such by the musically educated, the media, and almost everyone who comments that her voice is that of "an angel", figuratively speaking of course when referring to its "purity of tone"? Harm comes from intentional misinformation. What I have provided is factual, along with my honest observations. Resorting to insults ("stupid") and accusation of "harm" does not support your case. I won't debate this subject further with you. Your opinion is noted.
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Post by Willyiam on Jun 15, 2022 17:16:35 GMT -5
above f5 jackie can only sing with almost no formants, the tones are thin, not those of a soprano. You said earlier "Classical assessment is only useful for trained singers.". You are assessing her tones ("thin") according to a classical description (formants") to disqualify her a soprano. Her tones are "PURE" within the soprano range (C4-C6) as an untrained singer. Purity of tone has characterized Jackie a soprano to this day. Can you prove that her tone is NOT pure? Jackie's "provable range" is NOT "sufficient for mezzo" because her bottom range (E3) is higher than the mezzo bottom range (A3) by 2 1/2 notes. Whereas, her recorded soprano range is (B5) is higher than the mezzo (A5), not to mention her practice range (at least E3, according to her mother). A practice range is expected to be higher of course and a measure of one's capability, which may become evident in the future. Enough of this bantering about range. The facts are there. How can I be "harming" Jackie by stating that she is a soprano, when she is acknowledged as such by the musically educated, the media, and almost everyone who comments that her voice is that of "an angel", figuratively speaking of course when referring to its "purity of tone"? Harm comes from intentional misinformation. What I have provided is factual, along with my honest observations. Resorting to insults ("stupid") and accusation of "harm" does not support your case. I won't debate this subject further with you. Your opinion is noted. In a previous post, zwergnase said " I can prove that jackie's provable range is sufficient for mezzo." Mezzo is a term used to describe a Voice Type of Soprano!!! Soprano can be broken down into 5 subcategories: coloratura soprano, soubrette, lyric soprano, spinto soprano, and dramatic soprano. Mezzo-Soprano is a subtype of Soprano!! Therefore, based on solid logic, if we can say that Jackie is a Mezzo-Soprano, then it must be true that Jackie's Voice Type is in the Soprano family! Therefore, it must also be true that calling Jackie a Soprano is correct!!
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Post by lawrence on Jun 15, 2022 18:55:56 GMT -5
2 examples of Voice Types relative to Jackie: Voice Types 1 Zulu to Jackie Evancho:
Voice Types 2 Bel Canto -Jackie Evancho:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 22:08:09 GMT -5
You said earlier "Classical assessment is only useful for trained singers.". You are assessing her tones ("thin") according to a classical description (formants") to disqualify her a soprano. Her tones are "PURE" within the soprano range (C4-C6) as an untrained singer. Purity of tone has characterized Jackie a soprano to this day. Can you prove that her tone is NOT pure? Jackie's "provable range" is NOT "sufficient for mezzo" because her bottom range (E3) is higher than the mezzo bottom range (A3) by 2 1/2 notes. Whereas, her recorded soprano range is (B5) is higher than the mezzo (A5), not to mention her practice range (at least E3, according to her mother). A practice range is expected to be higher of course and a measure of one's capability, which may become evident in the future. Enough of this bantering about range. The facts are there. How can I be "harming" Jackie by stating that she is a soprano, when she is acknowledged as such by the musically educated, the media, and almost everyone who comments that her voice is that of "an angel", figuratively speaking of course when referring to its "purity of tone"? Harm comes from intentional misinformation. What I have provided is factual, along with my honest observations. Resorting to insults ("stupid") and accusation of "harm" does not support your case. I won't debate this subject further with you. Your opinion is noted. In a previous post, zwergnase said " I can prove that jackie's provable range is sufficient for mezzo." Mezzo is a term used to describe a Voice Type of Soprano!!! Soprano can be broken down into 5 subcategories: coloratura soprano, soubrette, lyric soprano, spinto soprano, and dramatic soprano. Mezzo-Soprano is a subtype of Soprano!! Therefore, based on solid logic, if we can say that Jackie is a Mezzo-Soprano, then it must be true that Jackie's Voice Type is in the Soprano family! Therefore, it must also be true that calling Jackie a Soprano is correct!!
a mezzo-soprano is not a subtype of a soprano. Do you recognize the clear stupidity of the above argument. it is said that an e3 is higher than an a3. jackie sings in full voice from f3 to f5 ,below and above not. Jackie is closer to alto than soprano.
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