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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 22:56:56 GMT -5
Some clues from Kitty's BFF
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Post by lawrence on Jun 15, 2022 23:36:55 GMT -5
"Attesa" from Two Hearts, recorded at age 16
The vocal range is E4 to B5 (last note), sung in full voice. Soprano range is C4 (2 tones below E4) to C6 (1/2 tone above B5). Attesa is in the soprano range where Jackie sings effortlessly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 23:57:26 GMT -5
"Attesa" from Two Hearts, recorded at age 16 The vocal range is E4 to B5 (last note), sung in full voice. Soprano range is C4 (2 tones below E4) to C6 (1/2 tone above B5). Attesa is in the soprano range where Jackie sings effortlessly. The tessitura of a lyric soprano is c4 to c6, that of a lyric mezzo is g3 to b5, whichever fits better. I'm talking about today's Jackie, you're talking about the past. Jackie's voice has changed around 2019.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 16, 2022 0:57:41 GMT -5
The tessitura of a lyric soprano is c4 to c6 That's what I said at the beginning of this discussion. "....actually her tessitura is in the higher register (soprano) because of the ease with which she executes the high-notes and her exceptional clarity, characteristic "bell-tone" quality. C4 to C6 is the soprano register. I've said that repeatedly. Her recorded high range is to B5, her practice range higher (beyond C6). Jackie has been described a " lyric soprano" throughout her career. "You're talking about the past. Jackie's voice has changed around 2019." Apparently you are referring to her Masked Singer performances, Feb/April 2019. She chose not to sing in her high soprano range purposely so she wouldn't be recognized. She intentionally changed her vocal style for those performances to sing pop, country, pop ballads and jazz, thus staying within her mezzo range intentionally to fool the judges which she did brilliantly. So, those performances are not proof that her range has changed. Immediately following the show, she performed her standard cc repertoire in 3 back-to-back concerts, concluding each with her Puccini medley encore of O Mio Babbino Caro/Nessun Dorma with her final "vincero" high note (B5). "River" and "Both Sides Now" are not written in her highest register and therefore not examples of the extent of her range. She didn't choose either song to demonstrate her high-note capabilities obviously. Because she doesn't sing B5 or C6 in those songs doesn't mean she can't. Here she sings the Puccini medley in March of this year:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 8:49:12 GMT -5
The tessitura of a lyric soprano is c4 to c6 That's what I said at the beginning of this discussion. "....actually her tessitura is in the higher register (soprano) because of the ease with which she executes the high-notes and her exceptional clarity, characteristic "bell-tone" quality. C4 to C6 is the soprano register. I've said that repeatedly. Her recorded high range is to B5, her practice range higher (beyond C6). Jackie has been described a " lyric soprano" throughout her career. "You're talking about the past. Jackie's voice has changed around 2019." Apparently you are referring to her Masked Singer performances, Feb/April 2019. She chose not to sing in her high soprano range purposely so she wouldn't be recognized. She intentionally changed her vocal style for those performances to sing pop, country, pop ballads and jazz, thus staying within her mezzo range intentionally to fool the judges which she did brilliantly. So, that is not proof that her range has changed. Immediately following the show, she performed her standard cc repertoire in 3 back-to-back concerts, concluding each with her Puccini medley encore of O Mio Babbino Caro/Nessun Dorma with her final "vincero" high note (B5). "River" and "Both Sides Now" are not written in her highest register and therefore not examples of the extent of her range. She didn't choose either song to demonstrate her high-note capabilities obviously. Because she doesn't sing B5 or C6 in those songs doesn't mean she can't. Here she sings the Puccini medley in March of this year: The lady here says that a person who sings from F3 to B5 without problems is a mezzo-soprano, this is the area where Jackie sings without problems. That is a clear statement. You just ignore all the facts. How can it be that Jackie sings for years in exercises e3 to e6 but can record a D3, but no E6. If Jackie could sing an E6, Jackie would have recorded one. Why should she hold back this ability? Jackie sings BSM just as the late Joni Mitchell sang in 2000. A soprano can't do that.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 16, 2022 11:10:03 GMT -5
The lady here says that a person who sings from F3 to B5 without problems is a mezzo-soprano, this is the area where Jackie sings without problems. That is a clear statement. You just ignore all the facts. Jackie has no problem singing in the mezzo range until she reaches the bottom of the register where she falls short by 3 1/2 tones. She has no problem at all singing in the soprano register. In fact, it has been her signature throughout her career to sing high notes in the soprano range EFFORTLESSLY, enhanced by the purity of her voice, her 'bel-canto clarity, and her "seamless" passaggio which is higher than mezzo. It is still evident today that the soprano range is where she excels as having the "voice of an angel", figuratively speaking. You deny the evidence with no demonstrable proof to the contrary....only your opinion. "If Jackie could sing an E6, Jackie would have recorded one." Not necessarily. Jackie doesn't go searching for songs that require high notes beyond her present performance range to record just to show off her capability. One's "practice" range eventually becomes part of the performance range, as one's range increases, either naturally or with work. At one time B5 was within Jackie's practice range when her performance range was G#5 (Music of the Night for example). If a song comes along with a D6, she may record it, if the song is meaningful to her, because it is within her capability. Joni Mitchell's music is a "piece of cake" for Jackie, at least those songs she has chosen to record, as we will see when the new album is released this summer. Mitchell's high range is A5 (mezzo).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 12:55:17 GMT -5
The lady here says that a person who sings from F3 to B5 without problems is a mezzo-soprano, this is the area where Jackie sings without problems. That is a clear statement. You just ignore all the facts. Jackie has no problem singing in the mezzo range until she reaches the bottom of the register where she falls short by 3 1/2 tones. She has no problem at all singing in the soprano register. In fact, it has been her signature throughout her career to sing high notes in the soprano range EFFORTLESSLY, enhanced by the purity of her voice, her 'bel-canto clarity, and her "seamless" passaggio which is higher than mezzo. It is still evident today that the soprano range is where she excels as having the "voice of an angel", figuratively speaking. You deny the evidence with no demonstrable proof to the contrary....only your opinion. "If Jackie could sing an E6, Jackie would have recorded one." Not necessarily. Jackie doesn't go searching for songs that require high notes beyond her present performance range to record just to show off her capability. One's "practice" range eventually becomes part of the performance range, as one's range increases, either naturally or with work. At one time B5 was within Jackie's practice range when her performance range was G#5 (Music of the Night for example). If a song comes along with a D6, she may record it, if the song is meaningful to her, because it is within her capability. Joni Mitchell's music is a "piece of cake" for Jackie, at least those songs she has chosen to record, as we will see when the new album is released this summer. Mitchell's high range is A5 (mezzo). You have no facts. The term voice of an angel is not a fact. A mezzo-soprano also has a clear bel canto tone. A soprano cannot sing the lower layers of a mezzo like jackie does. Only a mezzo-soprano or alto can do that. But a mezzo-soprano can sing everything Jackie has sung. Jackie has said that she also chooses her songs to fit her voice. Now she sings songs of a mezzo, in a lower pitch than the mezzo. Jackie sings exactly in the vocal range of a mezzo soprano. that's a fact you just ignore. But you've always done that, it's probably morbid.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 17, 2022 1:05:33 GMT -5
"The term voice of an angel is not a fact." Of course it's not a fact. It represents an impression made upon the listener by the "purity" of her high notes....PURITY is a fact, as it was documented in the video, "Voice Types 1 Zulu to Jackie Evancho" above.
"A soprano cannot sing the lower layers of a mezzo like jackie does." That's generally true, because mezzo is below the soprano register. But, Jackie's range does encompass the mezzo down to E3 (her low note) as well as the soprano up to C6. That why she can sing in the "lower layers" of the mezzo" as well as the higher "layers" of the soprano (and above with her practice range).
"But a mezzo-soprano can sing everything Jackie has sung". That is not theoretically true, because the mezzo only goes up to A5, whereas soprano goes to C6. That's why there is a distinction between soprano (the highest female voice register) and mezzo (next highest), both also defined by various traits, as I explained earlier. In choir there are sopranos, altos, tenors and basses. Each has a level below....1st soprano and second soprano, 1st alto and second alto, etc. In classical voice types, there are sub-categories each with their own characteristics...for example, coloratura soprano, soubrette, lyric soprano, spinto soprano, and dramatic soprano. In choir, Jackie, with her pure, bel-canto high notes would be assigned 1st soprano, if she weren't given a solo. Her classical category would be lyric soprano. Yes there are mezzos with a higher range into the soprano register, but the timbre is different from say a lyric soprano. It's not a matter that a mezzo "can" sing in the soprano register but she would not sound like a soprano, and certainly not sound like Jackie...In fact no one sounds like Jackie in the high register. That's why she's famous as a soprano. She's not famous as a "mezzo-soprano", but then apparently that is your objection
"Jackie sings exactly in the vocal range of a mezzo soprano." Yes she does EXCEPT for the bottom of the register, as I've said. repeatedly. She does, however, sing exactly in the vocal range of a soprano to it's highest (C6)
The point is that you said initially, "Jackie is NOT a soprano", disregarding that she DOES in fact sing the full soprano register (C4-C6) but cannot sing the full mezzo register (A3-A5) reaching only to E3 which is 3 1/2 tones above.
All characteristics considered....her soprano range, her vocal purity in the soprano register, bel-canto clarity in the soprano register, "exquisite' high notes in the soprano register, and of course the affect she has upon her listeners in the soprano range (called "The Jackie Effect), I don't understand how you can deny that she is a soprano, albeit one with a beautiful lower range into the mezzo register. That's what makes Jackie a unique and versatile vocalist. I've explained my perspective to the best of my knowledge. I have nothing more to say.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2022 5:11:28 GMT -5
"The term voice of an angel is not a fact." Of course it's not a fact. It represents an impression made upon the listener by the "purity" of her high notes....PURITY is a fact, as it was documented in the video, "Voice Types 1 Zulu to Jackie Evancho" above. "A soprano cannot sing the lower layers of a mezzo like jackie does." That's generally true, because mezzo is below the soprano register. But, Jackie's range does encompass the mezzo down to E3 (her low note) as well as the soprano up to C6. That why she can sing in the "lower layers" of the mezzo" as well as the higher "layers" of the soprano (and above with her practice range). "But a mezzo-soprano can sing everything Jackie has sung". That is not theoretically true, because the mezzo only goes up to A5, whereas soprano goes to C6. That's why there is a distinction between soprano (the highest female voice register) and mezzo (next highest), both also defined by various traits, as I explained earlier. In choir there are sopranos, altos, tenors and basses. Each has a level below....1st soprano and second soprano, 1st alto and second alto, etc. In classical voice types, there are sub-categories each with their own characteristics...for example, coloratura soprano, soubrette, lyric soprano, spinto soprano, and dramatic soprano. In choir, Jackie, with her pure, bel-canto high notes would be assigned 1st soprano, if she weren't given a solo. Her classical category would be lyric soprano. Yes there are mezzos with a higher range into the soprano register, but the timbre is different from say a lyric soprano. It's not a matter that a mezzo "can" sing in the soprano register but she would not sound like a soprano, and certainly not sound like Jackie...In fact no one sounds like Jackie in the high register. That's why she's famous as a soprano. She's not famous as a "mezzo-soprano", but then apparently that is your objection "Jackie sings exactly in the vocal range of a mezzo soprano." Yes she does EXCEPT for the bottom of the register, as I've said. repeatedly. She does, however, sing exactly in the vocal range of a soprano to it's highest (C6) The point is that you said initially, "Jackie is NOT a soprano", disregarding that she DOES in fact sing the full soprano cannot sing the full mezzo register (A3-A5) reaching only to E3 which is 3 1/2 tones above. register (C4-C6) but All characteristics considered....her soprano range, her vocal purity in the soprano register, bel-canto clarity in the soprano register, "exquisite' high notes in the soprano register, and of course the affect she has upon her listeners in the soprano range (called "The Jackie Effect), I don't understand how you can deny that she is a soprano, albeit one with a beautiful lower range into the mezzo register. That's what makes Jackie a unique and versatile vocalist. I've explained my perspective to the best of my knowledge. I have nothing more to say. Fact 1: You can't prove that Jackie can sing a C6. Jackie hasn't sung a documented C6 so jackie can't cover the range of a soprano. Fact 2: You say "disregarding that she DOES in fact sing the full soprano register (C4-C6) but cannot sing the full mezzo register (A3-A5) reaching only to E3 which is 3 1/2 tones above." but an E3 is under an A3, it is not above. And a register is not a name for a Voice type . Fact 3: Tessitura of a mezzo is f3 - B5. That means jackie can sing the full mezzo range . Result Jackie is not a soprano but mezzo-soprano. There is no other explanation. All characteristics considered....her mezzo range, her vocal purity in the mezzo register, bel-canto clarity in the mezzo register, "exquisite' high notes in the mezzo register. Here are the tones of an octave in its order, for the ignorant : C - cis - D - dis - E - F - fis - G - gis - A - ais - H Here are the tessitura of female Voices: Soprano: B3 – E6 Mezzo Soprano: G3 – B5 Contralto: E3 – G5 Jackie can sing Mezzo Soprano and Contralto but not Sopran.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 18, 2022 15:36:33 GMT -5
reaching only to E3 which is 3 1/2 tones above. You are correct. I made a mistake. E3 is below A3. I got confused in my explanation. Jackie sings in the mezzo register, never said she doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 15:57:53 GMT -5
reaching only to E3 which is 3 1/2 tones above. You are correct. I made a mistake. E3 is below A3. I got confused in my explanation. Jackie sings in the mezzo register, never said she doesn't. Thank you for admitting your mistake, it would be nice if you would call today's jackie a mezzo and support her with that. Because that's what I want, support for jackie, and that's only possible if we see jackie for who she is. I think one reason jackie goes to joni mitchell and probably jazz is because of her lower range of voice which is better suited to that genre.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 18, 2022 16:34:22 GMT -5
You are correct. I made a mistake. E3 is below A3. I got confused in my explanation. Jackie sings in the mezzo register, never said she doesn't. Thank you for admitting your mistake, it would be nice if you would call today's jackie a mezzo and support her with that. Because that's what I want, support for jackie, and that's only possible if we see jackie for who she is. I think one reason jackie goes to joni mitchell and probably jazz is because of her lower range of voice which is better suited to that genre. My mistake is not an admission that Jackie is not a soprano. I said she "sings in the mezzo register". I will not call her a "mezzo" to appease you. Speak for yourself. I consider her a soprano with a mezzo lower register. In my estimation, you diminish her by denying that she is a soprano, when the media, concert venues, magazine writers, TV interviewers, other professionals and countless fans who "love her soprano voice" promote her a soprano. I will support Jackie as I see her, not as you do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 23:09:34 GMT -5
Thank you for admitting your mistake, it would be nice if you would call today's jackie a mezzo and support her with that. Because that's what I want, support for jackie, and that's only possible if we see jackie for who she is. I think one reason jackie goes to joni mitchell and probably jazz is because of her lower range of voice which is better suited to that genre. My mistake is not an admission that Jackie is not a soprano. I said she "sings in the mezzo register". I will not call her a "mezzo" to appease you. Speak for yourself. I consider her a soprano with a mezzo lower register. In my estimation, you diminish her by denying that she is a soprano, when the media, concert venues, magazine writers, TV interviewers, other professionals and countless fans who "love her soprano voice" promote her a soprano. I will support Jackie as I see her, not as you do. It was clear to me that you're claiming the wrong thing again, just keep claiming that jackie is a soprano who can only sing the mezzo range. You also claim that jackie's voice is bel canto, only opera singers have bel canto, jackie is not an opera singer. Jackie uses vocal fry, which comes from country music and is used in heavy metal. no bel canto singer uses that. Jackie uses belting a lot on 'the debut'. No bel canto singer uses that. And to singer Anastasia, who seems just here to show off her friendship with leigh shokey, if you've got balls in your pants discuss here with me and my sister (a classically trained singer) are expecting you.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 19, 2022 0:00:52 GMT -5
You also claim that jackie's voice is bel canto, only opera singers have bel canto, jackie is not an opera singer. Jackie uses vocal fry, which comes from country music and is used in heavy metal. no bel canto singer uses that. With regard to what I said about Jackie having a Bel-Canto voice according to the original meaning, I was referencing this video, as I stated. The description is given from 0:17 through 1:17. Please watch the whole video for examples including Jackie. Bel-Canto-Jackie Evancho-Voice Types 2
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2022 0:27:31 GMT -5
You also claim that jackie's voice is bel canto, only opera singers have bel canto, jackie is not an opera singer. Jackie uses vocal fry, which comes from country music and is used in heavy metal. no bel canto singer uses that. With regard to what I said about Jackie having a Bel-Canto voice according to the original meaning, I was referencing this video, as I stated. The description is given from 0:17 through 1:17. Please watch the whole video for examples including Jackie. Bel-Canto-Jackie Evancho-Voice Types 2 I've known the Vido for a long time. Also all other videos. I downloaded and saved all these videos. You can't take such videos seriously (on the same channel is a video about model railways) and you can't apply these old videos to today's Jackie.
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