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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 7:44:08 GMT -5
The audience was of the opinion that Bret Michael's performance was worse than Jackie's because he had to leave. The same goes for Jackie later when she lose to Barry Zito, because the audience decides. This is the only provable possibility, everything else is just speculation. Btw its no surprise that a man outlasted a woman. You talk about votes, it is frequently the case that men tend to fair better in these singing competitions. Male country singers like Zito tend to do better than they should. Also check out the list of winners from American Idol, alot of men. But that's only if the women menstruate, not lesbian and it's not a full moon, then women have the better chances. Any other explanations why Jackie was eliminated in the quarterfinals. Lizardmen have determined that.
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Post by rlhamil on Jul 22, 2022 8:40:03 GMT -5
The EU may have transparency rules for competitive shows. Except for actual game shows (which this isn't), I don't think the US does; and the producers will take advantage of what flexibility they're allowed, although if they want to be credible, they won't use it with a heavy hand. Let's assume it were so, then it can also be that Jackie has only come so far because those who have left had no time for the recordings. All these arguments can be applied to any participant and are therefore pointless. All these theories do not change the facts. Jackie was eliminated in the quarterfinals. So what? Fifth isn't first, but for someone that's not doing hip-hop or very very modern songs, it's good enough. Anyway, assuming factors cancel out like that only works with large numbers (of contestants and matchups, in this case), which this isn't. I suspect that thorough research on both shooting schedules and schedule conflicts for all performers would tend to reveal that no more than three or four are bumped for that reason; it can't be too many, or it would be obvious. Some folks were out fairly early because they could barely sing, like Sarah Palin or Gronk. Others were high priced celebrity singers (Chaka Khan, Dionne Warwick) with voices distinctive enough to be a giveaway to a lot of people - not meant to be there the whole time, but just there to make things interesting and perhaps make the rest harder to guess. (there's no prize money, just the trophy; but they DO get a variable signing bonus probably depending on how big their real name is, as well as a relatively fixed per-episode salary; so I'd say expenses are likely covered with at least some pocket money left over)
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Post by lawrence on Jul 22, 2022 20:09:49 GMT -5
The singing teacher forms the basis and the vocal coach the subtleties, both training methods Jackie has used, so Jackie is a trained singer. I'm certain nothing will dissuade you from the conviction that Jackie is a "trained singer", despite the music community disagreeing with you, particularly those who have continually criticized her "Lack of training"..."lack of proper technique", etc. I present this as a matter of interest to those not so adamantly opposed to acknowledging her a "natural singer". Referring to the description of "voice teacher" above. Jackie already had the "basis" at age 10...."correct sounds, with proper pitch and tone". She could execute "scales" and runs. There was no need to "lay a foundation to build her voice". It was already there, innately. That's the nature of a prodigy, a child who naturally possessed the skills that others must train to acquire, then develop. Referring to the description of "vocal coach" above: Her mother coached her in her repertoire, working on "proper pronunciation", particularly in foreign languages. Jackie had natural interpretive skill, but I imagine Lisa helped her some with that. And she was a "natural" performer, very comfortable on stage, with her own unique and innocent performance style, particularly her mannerisms....the arm and hand gestures, shaking her head, pinching her dress, etc. Those things would normally have been discouraged with any other kid, they being harshly criticized. But they have remained, distinctly Jackie. She had already built a repertoire with her first limited edition album, PTAD and "Oh Holy Night". Jackie had been so prolific since she was 8 years old that there was no need to "build a repertoire for her to draw from". Jackie's 8 year career had been built upon her "natural" vocal abilities and innate understanding of music theory and structure, her natural skill at harmonizing, executing runs on pitch, having a beautiful natural vibrato and excellent tremolo.... her exceptional interpretive skills, and most importantly, her perfect sense of pitch along with her crystal pure tone. She has not been trained in those skills, but has possessed those abilities since her childhood. AT 18 she discovered her ability to belt out pop songs while recording The Debut. So, she sought out vocal coach/voice therapist, Joan Lader, who worked with her briefly to make sure she was using her voice properly, and also received some coaching from Will Nunziata in musical theater performance for a short, indeterminate period. Upon having become a young adult, Jackie was no longer a prodigy, but rather recognized as a gifted/natural singer as she is today. ________________________________________________________________________________ Excerpt from an article in Reuters, Miami, 2012 "....As soon as she starts singing, the confidence in her largely untrained voice shines through. Despite her blossoming musical career, Evancho says she has no professional coaching, and only rehearses for an hour three times a week with her mother. She is often asked how she got such a voice. “We like to say it was a gift from God,” Jackie said, admitting she has tried three times to learn to read music, but just can’t get the hang of it. She has tried voice coaches but none has worked out. “They wanted to try and change Jackie’s voice,” her mother said. “But we don’t want her to sound like every other soprano.” "Despite her lack of formal music training, Evancho has been blessed with such a good musical ear that she has a virtually photographic memory for what she hears. When she starts, she can see the entire song in front of her. It’s a rare gift,” said her traveling conductor John Mario Di Costanzo, who has worked with some of the world’s top opera divas. “Jackie sees the architecture of a piece as she is singing.” In this interview, from 15:36 to 21:24 Jackie speaks in reference to her "vulnerability" as an artist and her "instinctual" form of music. www.facebook.com/TheSharonL.MorsePerformingArtsCenter/videos/5311472822219811/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2022 0:24:18 GMT -5
The singing teacher forms the basis and the vocal coach the subtleties, both training methods Jackie has used, so Jackie is a trained singer. I'm certain nothing will dissuade you from the conviction that Jackie is a "trained singer", despite the music community disagreeing with you, particularly those who have continually criticized her "Lack of training"..."lack of proper technique", etc. I present this as a matter of interest to those not so adamantly opposed to acknowledging her a "natural singer". Referring to the description of "voice teacher" above. Jackie already had the "basis" at age 10...."correct sounds, with proper pitch and tone". She could execute "scales" and runs. There was no need to "lay a foundation to build her voice". It was already there, innately. That's the nature of a prodigy, a child who naturally possessed the skills that others must train to acquire, then develop. Referring to the description of "vocal coach" above: Her mother coached her in her repertoire, working on "proper pronunciation", particularly in foreign languages. Jackie had natural interpretive skill, but I imagine Lisa helped her some with that. And she was a "natural" performer, very comfortable on stage, with her own unique and innocent performance style, particularly her mannerisms....the arm and hand gestures, shaking her head, pinching her dress, etc. Those things would normally have been discouraged with any other kid, they being harshly criticized. But they have remained, distinctly Jackie. She had already built a repertoire with her first limited edition album, PTAD and "Oh Holy Night". Jackie had been so prolific since she was 8 years old that there was no need to "build a repertoire for her to draw from". Jackie's 8 year career had been built upon her "natural" vocal abilities and innate understanding of music theory and structure, her natural skill at harmonizing, executing runs on pitch, having a beautiful natural vibrato and excellent tremolo.... her exceptional interpretive skills, and most importantly, her perfect sense of pitch along with her crystal pure tone. She has not been trained in those skills, but has possessed those abilities since her childhood. AT 18 she discovered her ability to belt out pop songs while recording The Debut. So, she sought out vocal coach/voice therapist, Joan Lader, who worked with her briefly to make sure she was using her voice properly, and also received some coaching from Will Nunziata in musical theater performance for a short, indeterminate period. Upon having become a young adult, Jackie was no longer a prodigy, but rather recognized as a gifted/natural singer as she is today. ________________________________________________________________________________ Excerpt from an article in Reuters, Miami, 2012 "....As soon as she starts singing, the confidence in her largely untrained voice shines through. Despite her blossoming musical career, Evancho says she has no professional coaching, and only rehearses for an hour three times a week with her mother. She is often asked how she got such a voice. “We like to say it was a gift from God,” Jackie said, admitting she has tried three times to learn to read music, but just can’t get the hang of it. She has tried voice coaches but none has worked out. “They wanted to try and change Jackie’s voice,” her mother said. “But we don’t want her to sound like every other soprano.” "Despite her lack of formal music training, Evancho has been blessed with such a good musical ear that she has a virtually photographic memory for what she hears. When she starts, she can see the entire song in front of her. It’s a rare gift,” said her traveling conductor John Mario Di Costanzo, who has worked with some of the world’s top opera divas. “Jackie sees the architecture of a piece as she is singing.” In this interview, from 15:36 to 21:24 Jackie speaks in reference to her "vulnerability" as an artist and her "instinctual" form of music. www.facebook.com/TheSharonL.MorsePerformingArtsCenter/videos/5311472822219811/Your cluelessness is overwhelming, you bring articles from 2012, hello already we have seen 2022, it is about today's Jackie, Jackie now sings mainly in musical theater technique, no longer classical. What do you think Jackie did in New York, selling burgers. Boy you are naive. No one who pays attention to his voice learns musical theater technique without professional support from a voice teacher. Since you are known to have no idea about singing techniques etc., you do not understand why this is done. of course, if you still think that Jackie has a bad vocal technique then you can continue to express your opinion. In my opinion, Jackie has a good vocal technique, not an outstanding one. Jackie breathes as she sees fit, her voice is excellent for a CC singer and untrained classical singer, her musical theater voice is excellent for an untrained musical theater voice. She has all this because she was trained in the techniques. It doesn't matter how long this training lasted, in the end Jackie is a trained professional singer.
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Post by lawrence on Jul 23, 2022 11:45:17 GMT -5
Jackie now sings mainly in musical theater technique, no longer classical. What? Joni Mitchell's music is her latest, and that is definitely not musical theater, It's contemporary folk music. SMH No one who pays attention to his voice learns musical theater technique without professional support from a voice teacher. Will Nunziata is a New York City based director and creator of theatre, film, and television. As Jackie's concert director, he coached her in stage performance, as evidenced later in her choreographed Masked Singer performances....not her voice which was an experiment. As she said in interview about Dangerous Woman, "I never used that part of my voice before". Will wrote and directed her show for the The Debut concert tour. "Jackie's show, written and directed by acclaimed theatre and concert director Will Nunziata, will also feature gems and classic songs from her past repertoire that have come to win audiences over the years". He is not a voice teacher and did not "train" her voice. Joan Lader did not train her voice either. Quoting Jackie from an interview with Broadway World: "Well, a lot of times people assume that a little girl voice turns into a big girl voice, but for me it was a big girl voice turns into discovering all sorts of different parts of that voice. I realized as I was getting older that I wasn't just a classical crossover singer or an opera singer, and that I could manipulate my voice to do what I wanted it to. I discovered a pop side and a Broadway side and different parts of my voice, and that came with age. I was always singing pop to myself, and then I finally sang it to my mom and she was like, "Wait, you can do that, too?!" And from there started the journey of me testing my limits and different spots of my voice, and I ended up seeing a vocal coach named Joan Lader. She's amazing, I love her! I see her occasionally to make sure that I'm using the right techniques, and also she helps me to control the other spots in my voice that I'm discovering." if you still think that Jackie has a bad vocal technique then you can continue to express your opinion. Pay attention to what you read. That is not my opinion, but that of those who criticize her as not having proper technique.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2022 15:26:28 GMT -5
Jackie now sings mainly in musical theater technique, no longer classical. What? Joni Mitchell's music is her latest, and that is definitely not musical theater, It's contemporary folk music. SMH No one who pays attention to his voice learns musical theater technique without professional support from a voice teacher. Will Nunziata is a New York City based director and creator of theatre, film, and television. As Jackie's concert director, he coached her in stage performance, as evidenced later in her choreographed Masked Singer performances....not her voice which was an experiment. As she said in interview about Dangerous Woman, "I never used that part of my voice before". Will wrote and directed her show for the The Debut concert tour. "Jackie's show, written and directed by acclaimed theatre and concert director Will Nunziata, will also feature gems and classic songs from her past repertoire that have come to win audiences over the years". He is not a voice teacher and did not "train" her voice. Joan Lader did not train her voice either. Quoting Jackie from an interview with Broadway World: "Well, a lot of times people assume that a little girl voice turns into a big girl voice, but for me it was a big girl voice turns into discovering all sorts of different parts of that voice. I realized as I was getting older that I wasn't just a classical crossover singer or an opera singer, and that I could manipulate my voice to do what I wanted it to. I discovered a pop side and a Broadway side and different parts of my voice, and that came with age. I was always singing pop to myself, and then I finally sang it to my mom and she was like, "Wait, you can do that, too?!" And from there started the journey of me testing my limits and different spots of my voice, and I ended up seeing a vocal coach named Joan Lader. She's amazing, I love her! I see her occasionally to make sure that I'm using the right techniques, and also she helps me to control the other spots in my voice that I'm discovering." if you still think that Jackie has a bad vocal technique then you can continue to express your opinion. Pay attention to what you read. That is not my opinion, but that of those who criticize her as not having proper technique. It is interesting how little is known about Jackie, seen TPOTO in the cinema at the age of 7, started singing lessons at the beginning of 8, aged 10, that means two years of singing lessons. Only before AGT. Then AGT with Yvie Burnett. A vocal coach for a 10 year old is like a singing teacher, that should be clear. Yvie Burnett was also on "O holy night". That's all training. Joan Lader is a singing teacher, Jackie was there more often, Jackie learned to use her voice properly there, that's training. What else should Jackie do there more often. By the way, anyone who has heard "Prelude to a dream" should know that Jackie already had a pop and musical voice back then. So there are people who say that Jackie's technique isn't right, and you then reply that it's because Jackie hasn't done any training. That will surely convince people how good Jackie would be if she had a proper education. Since Jackie increases in their respect. Putting Jackie on a pedestal is more important to you than acknowledging realities.
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Post by lawrence on Jul 23, 2022 18:27:22 GMT -5
Jackie said in interview with Heather Ard in March, "I love that my form of music is almost solely instinctual".
I love it too. Jackie's rendition of Both Sides Now is a wonderful example. Btw, the editor of Rolling Stone said of the legendary Joni Mitchell, " She is editing a book of poetry and artwork; a volume of her compositions will follow shortly. And she has received a movie offer (to conceive, script and score a film). Not bad for a girl who had no voice training, hated to read in school, and learned guitar from a Pete Seeger instruction record".
To some, it just comes naturally.
Joni said in the Rolling Stone interview, "I used to be a breathy little soprano. Then one day I found that I could sing low. At first I thought I had lost my voice forever. I could sing either a breathy high part or a raspy low part. Then the two came together by themselves. It was uncomfortable for a while, but I worked on it, and now I’ve got this voice.”
At present, Jackie's video has 214K views with 10K likes and 1,147 overwhelmingly positive comments.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 2:38:32 GMT -5
Both sides now after two month 268 K views
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 9:42:17 GMT -5
Both sides now after two month 268 K views True, although of course a lot of the views are the same people watching it multiple times. I myself have watched it a handful of times. The actual number of people who have viewed it are likely a fraction of that total amount.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 13:28:33 GMT -5
Both sides now after two month 268 K views True, although of course a lot of the views are the same people watching it multiple times. I myself have watched it a handful of times. The actual number of people who have viewed it are likely a fraction of that total amount. All views via youtube music are also counted, nobody claims that the number of views is equal to the number of people who view it. This is the case with every artist and every video. How do you think the high number of views of other artists come about?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 14:34:16 GMT -5
True, although of course a lot of the views are the same people watching it multiple times. I myself have watched it a handful of times. The actual number of people who have viewed it are likely a fraction of that total amount. All views via youtube music are also counted, nobody claims that the number of views is equal to the number of people who view it. This is the case with every artist and every video. How do you think the high number of views of other artists come about? Well, some think that finishing second on the classical charts behind Beethovan is noteworthy, so just making sure we all have our feet on the ground here. lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2022 1:09:19 GMT -5
All views via youtube music are also counted, nobody claims that the number of views is equal to the number of people who view it. This is the case with every artist and every video. How do you think the high number of views of other artists come about? Well, some think that finishing second on the classical charts behind Beethovan is noteworthy, so just making sure we all have our feet on the ground here. lol the publication of the number of views is only a statement about the number of views, not a statement about good or bad, successful or not. Also the publication of chart places is only a statement. Everyone can decide for themselves on the significance of these statements. For Jackie and MPM it is probably already a success that the album is released at all.
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Post by lawrence on Aug 28, 2022 10:53:04 GMT -5
True, although of course a lot of the views are the same people watching it multiple times. I myself have watched it a handful of times. The actual number of people who have viewed it are likely a fraction of that total amount. The number of "likes" is more significant than view count. There's nothing ambiguous about it......12K at present. However, not every viewer has a YouTube account and able to register a "thumbs up", so the actual number of those who like the video may be larger. Comments also tell more about how Jackie's rendition is being received.....1366 so far, and overwhelmingly positive (I've read them all since it was released).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 1:14:43 GMT -5
True, although of course a lot of the views are the same people watching it multiple times. I myself have watched it a handful of times. The actual number of people who have viewed it are likely a fraction of that total amount. The number of "likes" is more significant than view count. There's nothing ambiguous about it......12K at present. However, not every viewer has a YouTube account and able to register a "thumbs up", so the actual number of those who like the video may be larger. Comments also tell more about how Jackie's rendition is being received.....1366 so far, and overwhelmingly positive (I've read them all since it was released). The number of views is still the most important value on Youtube. Higher likes increase the truthfulness and generate higher views. Comments are especially important for the channel owner, but only if the owner is interested in it. The question is, how important is Youtube for Jackie?
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Post by lawrence on Aug 29, 2022 10:38:54 GMT -5
The number of "likes" is more significant than view count. There's nothing ambiguous about it......12K at present. However, not every viewer has a YouTube account and able to register a "thumbs up", so the actual number of those who like the video may be larger. Comments also tell more about how Jackie's rendition is being received.....1366 so far, and overwhelmingly positive (I've read them all since it was released). The number of views is still the most important value on Youtube. Higher likes increase the truthfulness and generate higher views. Comments are especially important for the channel owner, but only if the owner is interested in it. The question is, how important is Youtube for Jackie? The value of views on an official music video is it's equivalent to album sales for Jackie....1500 views equals one 10-track album sold. (285K = 190 albums sold thus far). But, the question was how many views are repeats, which cannot be answered accurately, though they may contribute to the sales value. "Higher likes increase the truthfulness and generate higher views."? Likes are absolutely truthful in themselves. They may generate higher views provided one determines to view the video precisely because he/she immediately sees the "Thumb Up" count and decides it might be worth watching. I presume most people watch the video, then hit the Thumbs Up button.....the views therefore generating the likes. However, the view doesn't count unless one watches the full 30 seconds required to register. Same with repeat views. The comments tell the artist how the video is being received. It's logical to assume that Jackie reads the comments on a relatively new official video to determine the response....."Both Sides Now" and "A Case of You". Comments are turned off on "Blue" "How important is YouTube to Jackie?" In addition to album sales from views, YouTube videos provide feedback on her music and offer a preview of an upcoming album. They may encourage interest in visiting Jackie's web site. And, they may inspire actual album sales and interest in attending concerts. I'm not an expert on the matter, so there may be other benefits to her I haven't thought of.
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