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Post by lawrence on Jul 21, 2022 8:35:03 GMT -5
We know all that about Jackie. No one here said she did not have lessons and coaching. Joan Lader is a vocal coach and voice therapist, who "helped" Jackie with her pop voice and made sure her techniques are healthy. Lessons and coaching do not constitute training which requires the conscientious study, dedication, work and practice we know Jackie and her mother had forgone and that she has not engaged in since. You were mistaken is saying "she's not an untrained singer". There's no shame in making mistakes. You are not infallible. This is exactly the clueless nonsense you always write. And it is an insult to Jackie. How so many of your statements offend Jackie. You claim here that Jackie does not devote herself to her singing, does not work conscientiously and does not practice. You call yourself a Jackie Evancho fan and insult Jackie in the grossest way. You're just scum. You haven't lost anything here, disappear here. I claim no such thing. I've been talking about formal/classical training as I pointed out here, requiring "conscientious study, dedication, work and practice". Jackie has never engaged in a program of formal training, much less committed herself to classical voice training. Her study, dedication, work and practice has always been in perfecting her own innate, instinctual style of singing as (in my estimation) a masterful vocalist, with coaching along the way primarily to ensure she is practicing healthy vocal techniques.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 9:57:20 GMT -5
This is exactly the clueless nonsense you always write. And it is an insult to Jackie. How so many of your statements offend Jackie. You claim here that Jackie does not devote herself to her singing, does not work conscientiously and does not practice. You call yourself a Jackie Evancho fan and insult Jackie in the grossest way. You're just scum. You haven't lost anything here, disappear here. I claim no such thing. I've been talking about formal/classical training as I pointed out here, requiring "conscientious study, dedication, work and practice". Jackie has never engaged in a program of formal training, much less committed herself to classical voice training. Her study, dedication, work and practice has always been in perfecting her own innate, instinctual style of singing as (in my estimation) a masterful vocalist, with coaching along the way primarily to ensure she is practicing healthy vocal techniques. you didn't say anything about formal/classical training. I said that Jackie has no vocal studies to any kind of singer. A voice has to be trained, a singing technique has to be learned, you do that with a singing teacher, otherwise you don't know what you're doing wrong. What vocal technique do you think Jackie uses at all? Jackie did not take classical singing lessons in New York, but music theater singing lessons. Jackie has also taken lessons in acting. Teaching is training, so Jackie is a trained singer. A singer who is instructed is a trained singer. That means the word training.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 10:34:06 GMT -5
She had enough to defeat Bret Michaels, front man for the rock band Poison who have sold well over 50 million albums worldwide and 15 million records in the United States alone....but she was defeated by a baseball player. Why does that not make sense? TMS has said they accommodate those who don't have time for the entire shooting schedule. Sure. They accommodate them by kicking them off in time to be free for their prior engagement. That's what took Bret out, and Jackie too. Nick all but said as much talking to Bret when he was revealed. But since acknowledging that plainly would affect audience interest, they don't. The audience was of the opinion that Bret Michael's performance was worse than Jackie's because he had to leave. The same goes for Jackie later when she lose to Barry Zito, because the audience decides. This is the only provable possibility, everything else is just speculation.
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Post by lawrence on Jul 21, 2022 14:03:17 GMT -5
Jackie has also taken lessons in acting. Teaching is training, so Jackie is a trained singer. A singer who is instructed is a trained singer. That means the word training. I see. Then Jackie must also be a trained actress. That would be logical to someone who thinks like a corkscrew.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 14:16:53 GMT -5
Jackie has also taken lessons in acting. Teaching is training, so Jackie is a trained singer. A singer who is instructed is a trained singer. That means the word training. I see. Then Jackie must also be a trained actress. That would be logical to someone who thinks like a corkscrew. Seems to me it's all about the level of training. Someone who has had a couple years of say, singing or piano lessons as a child is a far cry from someone who as been trained at say, Julliard.
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Post by rlhamil on Jul 21, 2022 19:18:23 GMT -5
The audience was of the opinion that Bret Michael's performance was worse than Jackie's because he had to leave. The same goes for Jackie later when she lose to Barry Zito, because the audience decides. This is the only provable possibility, everything else is just speculation. The shooting schedule was known. Jackie had a couple of concert appearances that overlapped the later days of the shooting schedule, that's known. Someone probably knows Bret's conflicting date(s) that Nick hinted at. Nothing against Zito, for the material he chose and what he's previously recorded, he's pretty good. I didn't make up the idea of how conflicting schedules are handled, nor did it even come just from discussion on forums. It was mentioned in an article somewhere, but I didn't save the link.
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Post by lawrence on Jul 21, 2022 19:25:42 GMT -5
Seems to me it's all about the level of training. Someone who has had a couple years of say, singing or piano lessons as a child is a far cry from someone who as been trained at say, Julliard. Jackie received less than a year of singing lessons as a child, followed by coaching from her mother. In New York, as far as we know, she received intermittent coaching from vocal coach/voice therapist, Joan Lader, who worked with her on her pop voice, and intermittent COACHING in musical theater from Will Nunziata. Training is normally associated with extensive and comprehensive instruction over a period of years. What’s the Difference Between a Voice Teacher and a Vocal Coach? While both help you to IMPROVE your singing, there is a difference between each of the professions: Voice Teacher and Vocal Coach. Learning what they do will help you in deciding which to choose to help you DEVELOP your voice. • Voice Teacher – Individually helps you to make the correct sounds, with proper pitch and tone – Works with scales, voice building, registration – Helps you to develop your own vocal skills; vocal production – Lays the foundation to build your voice into a magnificent instrument • Vocal Coach – Individually helps, or coaches, you on singing particular songs – Focuses on style and diction – proper pronunciation of words, especially foreign words – Helps you to interpret and performing your songs (works on character, meaning, sub-text – what does the song mean? – Builds your singing repertoire of songs to pull from www.voicelessons.com/blog/students/what-to-look-for-in-your-vocal-coach/The difference between a natural singer (as I've described Jackie) and a trained singer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 19:25:58 GMT -5
The audience was of the opinion that Bret Michael's performance was worse than Jackie's because he had to leave. The same goes for Jackie later when she lose to Barry Zito, because the audience decides. This is the only provable possibility, everything else is just speculation. The shooting schedule was known. Jackie had a couple of concert appearances that overlapped the later days of the shooting schedule, that's known. Someone probably knows Bret's conflicting date(s) that Nick hinted at. Nothing against Zito, for the material he chose and what he's previously recorded, he's pretty good. I didn't make up the idea of how conflicting schedules are handled, nor did it even come just from discussion on forums. It was mentioned in an article somewhere, but I didn't save the link. Audience doesn't give a crap what any entertainer's schedule is...they vote for who they like best.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 23:15:25 GMT -5
Jackie has also taken lessons in acting. Teaching is training, so Jackie is a trained singer. A singer who is instructed is a trained singer. That means the word training. I see. Then Jackie must also be a trained actress. That would be logical to someone who thinks like a corkscrew. I teach people tennis, after that these people are trained tennis players. If Jackie were working as an actress now, she would be a trained actress. It is exactly like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 23:37:07 GMT -5
Seems to me it's all about the level of training. Someone who has had a couple years of say, singing or piano lessons as a child is a far cry from someone who as been trained at say, Julliard. Jackie received less than a year of singing lessons as a child, followed by coaching from her mother. In New York, as far as we know, she received intermittent coaching from vocal coach/voice therapist, Joan Lader, who worked with her on her pop voice, and intermittent COACHING in musical theater from Will Nunziata. Training is normally associated with extensive and comprehensive instruction over a period of years. What’s the Difference Between a Voice Teacher and a Vocal Coach? While both help you to IMPROVE your singing, there is a difference between each of the professions: Voice Teacher and Vocal Coach. Learning what they do will help you in deciding which to choose to help you DEVELOP your voice. • Voice Teacher – Individually helps you to make the correct sounds, with proper pitch and tone – Works with scales, voice building, registration – Helps you to develop your own vocal skills; vocal production – Lays the foundation to build your voice into a magnificent instrument • Vocal Coach – Individually helps, or coaches, you on singing particular songs – Focuses on style and diction – proper pronunciation of words, especially foreign words – Helps you to interpret and performing your songs (works on character, meaning, sub-text – what does the song mean? – Builds your singing repertoire of songs to pull from www.voicelessons.com/blog/students/what-to-look-for-in-your-vocal-coach/The difference between a natural singer (as I've described Jackie) and a trained singer. The singing teacher forms the basis and the vocal coach the subtleties, both training methods Jackie has used, so Jackie is a trained singer. There are probably millions of natural talents in singing, or in sports, but without training, they don't become masters either. Jackie has taken lessons to improve her technique and that's a good thing. To me, that's proof that Jackie takes her career seriously. As a trained, professional singer. It seems more important for you to keep the legend of the prodigy singer alive.
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Post by rlhamil on Jul 21, 2022 23:39:22 GMT -5
Audience doesn't give a crap what any entertainer's schedule is...they vote for who they like best. In most of these shows, they can ignore the votes of both audience and panel, which is how someone that doesn't have time for the later stages gets kicked off. Not that they don't usually pay attention to the votes, but they do NOT HAVE TO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 1:15:04 GMT -5
Audience doesn't give a crap what any entertainer's schedule is...they vote for who they like best. In most of these shows, they can ignore the votes of both audience and panel, which is how someone that doesn't have time for the later stages gets kicked off. Not that they don't usually pay attention to the votes, but they do NOT HAVE TO. This is all speculation. in the German Masked Singer artists also dropped out, for private reasons or because of illness, all this was made public. The audience has no problems with that. It's just an entertainment show, everyone knows that, there's no reason for any manipulation.
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Post by rlhamil on Jul 22, 2022 6:26:21 GMT -5
In most of these shows, they can ignore the votes of both audience and panel, which is how someone that doesn't have time for the later stages gets kicked off. Not that they don't usually pay attention to the votes, but they do NOT HAVE TO. This is all speculation. in the German Masked Singer artists also dropped out, for private reasons or because of illness, all this was made public. The audience has no problems with that. It's just an entertainment show, everyone knows that, there's no reason for any manipulation. The EU may have transparency rules for competitive shows. Except for actual game shows (which this isn't), I don't think the US does; and the producers will take advantage of what flexibility they're allowed, although if they want to be credible, they won't use it with a heavy hand.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 7:00:52 GMT -5
This is all speculation. in the German Masked Singer artists also dropped out, for private reasons or because of illness, all this was made public. The audience has no problems with that. It's just an entertainment show, everyone knows that, there's no reason for any manipulation. The EU may have transparency rules for competitive shows. Except for actual game shows (which this isn't), I don't think the US does; and the producers will take advantage of what flexibility they're allowed, although if they want to be credible, they won't use it with a heavy hand. Let's assume it were so, then it can also be that Jackie has only come so far because those who have left had no time for the recordings. All these arguments can be applied to any participant and are therefore pointless. All these theories do not change the facts. Jackie was eliminated in the quarterfinals.
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Post by msims on Jul 22, 2022 7:35:42 GMT -5
TMS has said they accommodate those who don't have time for the entire shooting schedule. Sure. They accommodate them by kicking them off in time to be free for their prior engagement. That's what took Bret out, and Jackie too. Nick all but said as much talking to Bret when he was revealed. But since acknowledging that plainly would affect audience interest, they don't. The audience was of the opinion that Bret Michael's performance was worse than Jackie's because he had to leave. The same goes for Jackie later when she lose to Barry Zito, because the audience decides. This is the only provable possibility, everything else is just speculation. Btw its no surprise that a man outlasted a woman. You talk about votes, it is frequently the case that men tend to fair better in these singing competitions. Male country singers like Zito tend to do better than they should. Also check out the list of winners from American Idol, alot of men.
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