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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2022 12:35:51 GMT -5
How can Jackie lose to Barry Zito? The show is scripted by the producers. Outcomes are predetermined. Jackie doesn't have the notoriety the finalists enjoy and would therefore be a disappointment as a finalist who was relatively unknown in the mainstream. The irony is that they underestimated her appeal to the TV audience. Barry Zito is a big-name celebrity baseball player. Obviously he can't sing better than Jackie. Another consideration is that she had 3 concerts scheduled the week the final 4 was to be filmed, and therefore could not continue beyond the quarter-finals. There's a reason the show doesn't have live voting. It's all about ratings and entertainment, not a singing contest. Jackie would have known from the beginning she would be unmasked before the finale. Complete and utter conspiracy theory level garbage and nonsense that you just pulled out of your butt. Nothing you just said is true, there certainly isn't any evidence that it's true, and I haven't heard anybody with any credibility even claim that it's true. What's it like to live in such world full of delusion and fantasy and nutjob conspiracy theories? LOL Never mind, I don't want to know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2022 12:54:11 GMT -5
The show is scripted by the producers. Outcomes are predetermined. Jackie doesn't have the notoriety the finalists enjoy and would therefore be a disappointment as a finalist who was relatively unknown in the mainstream. The irony is that they underestimated her appeal to the TV audience. Barry Zito is a big-name celebrity baseball player. Obviously he can't sing better than Jackie. Another consideration is that she had 3 concerts scheduled the week the final 4 was to be filmed, and therefore could not continue beyond the quarter-finals. There's a reason the show doesn't have live voting. It's all about ratings and entertainment, not a singing contest. Jackie would have known from the beginning she would be unmasked before the finale. Complete and utter conspiracy theory level garbage and nonsense that you just pulled out of your butt. Nothing you just said is true, there certainly isn't any evidence that it's true, and I haven't heard anybody with any credibility even claim that it's true. What's it like to live in such world full of delusion and fantasy and nutjob conspiracy theories? LOL Never mind, I don't want to know. It doesn't work that way, that's my job, find your own fanatic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2022 13:14:49 GMT -5
Complete and utter conspiracy theory level garbage and nonsense that you just pulled out of your butt. Nothing you just said is true, there certainly isn't any evidence that it's true, and I haven't heard anybody with any credibility even claim that it's true. What's it like to live in such world full of delusion and fantasy and nutjob conspiracy theories? LOL Never mind, I don't want to know. It doesn't work that way, that's my job, find your own fanatic. Great, he's all yours. We have our own loon on the other discussion board.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2022 13:48:38 GMT -5
It doesn't work that way, that's my job, find your own fanatic. Great, he's all yours. We have our own loon on the other discussion board. T hanks
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Post by lawrence on Jul 19, 2022 15:09:23 GMT -5
"Both Sides Now" presently has 200,600 views with 10,000 Likes and 1,110 overwhelmingly positive comments.
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Post by msims on Jul 20, 2022 7:36:31 GMT -5
You did not read the criticism then but I did. The crux of it was that they had a massive problem with CC artists and how they approach the material not as written, in other words what CC was all about. For stating facts? What false things? Its not realistic to ignore facts and to lie. What have you corrected that I said? No, shes been right on target. The mental health struggles are very much discussed these days among artists and celebs, anything else? Typical arrogant fanatic, how do you know what I've read. I know these statements and from the point of view of opera lovers these statements are justified and they criticize every CC singer. This point is completely unimportant. Fans who tell untruths, e.g. concerts are sold out even though it wasn't true Jackie never had singing lessons, that's not true either jackie has sold more than 4 or 5 million albums ,wrong She did not sell 4 to 5 million albums, I stated above how many she sold: albums sales in excess of 3 million+ so I dunno why you wrote that. Its impossible to tell whether a show is sold out unless the Team or venue says so or we know in advance, there are such things as walk ups like what will happen in NJ, so you can't expect an accurate count weeks in advance. Then she was still taping, if she was still in LA. lawrence was correct in that she left the show when she had tour dates booked days later, we just know that from the time of the tapings. It is hardly a conspiracy theory that producers picked a winner, its very plausible if one follows these types of competitions. But either way thats over. Moving on. Maybe she will do DWTS but because of her bones who knows?
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Post by lawrence on Jul 20, 2022 11:48:38 GMT -5
In the quote above, zwergnase said, "Jackie never had singing lessons, that's not true either". In the Jackie's Voice Type thread (last post), zwergnase said, she is "not an untrained singer"
We know Jackie had singing lesson for a relatively brief period as a child. A child taking singing lessons is not "training". We know Jackie has had intermittent coaching from Joan Lader to help her with her "pop voice". Intermittent coaching is not training either. To say Jackie is "untrained" is factual. Jackie said recently in interview with Heather Ard from The Sharon, "I love that my form of music is almost solely instinctual, a reference to her inability to read music and to not being a trained vocalist. Because she had lessons for a while, critics have said Jackie is "a trained singer" attempting to diminish her in comparison with Amira Willighagen, who had learned to sing from imitating singers on YouTube. There is no evidence I'm aware of that Jackie has had voice training that would justify a statement that she is a trained singer. Jackie is an exceptionally talented vocalist with an extraordinary understanding of music, as David Foster said, among other things praising her innate abilities. He has never said she is "trained", that I know of.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2022 13:04:20 GMT -5
In the quote above, zwergnase said, "Jackie never had singing lessons, that's not true either". In the Jackie's Voice Type thread (last post), zwergnase said, she is "not an untrained singer" We know Jackie had singing lesson for a relatively brief period as a child. A child taking singing lessons is not "training". We know Jackie has had intermittent coaching from Joan Lader to help her with her "pop voice". Intermittent coaching is not training either. To say Jackie is "untrained" is factual. Jackie said recently in interview with Heather Ard from The Sharon, "I love that my form of music is almost solely instinctual, a reference to her inability to read music and to not being a trained vocalist. Because she had lessons for a while, critics have said Jackie is "a trained singer" attempting to diminish her in comparison with Amira Willighagen, who had learned to sing from imitating singers on YouTube. There is no evidence I'm aware of that Jackie has had voice training that would justify a statement that she is a trained singer. Jackie is an exceptionally talented vocalist with an extraordinary understanding of music, as David Foster said, among other things praising her innate abilities. He has never said she is "trained", that I know of. Jackie had singing lessons before Agt, Lisa mentioned that. Jackie also had a vocal coach during and after Agt. Jackie had lessons in New York, she also mentioned that. Jackie would be stupid if she didn't do it. Jackie has no training as a classical or musical singer, but she has lessons. The instinctive singing refers to what David Foster also said. Jackie instinctively understands the structure of the song. Amira learned to sing with Online Vocal Coaches, so she also had lessons. Only fanatics claim such things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2022 13:19:14 GMT -5
Typical arrogant fanatic, how do you know what I've read. I know these statements and from the point of view of opera lovers these statements are justified and they criticize every CC singer. This point is completely unimportant. Fans who tell untruths, e.g. concerts are sold out even though it wasn't true Jackie never had singing lessons, that's not true either jackie has sold more than 4 or 5 million albums ,wrong She did not sell 4 to 5 million albums, I stated above how many she sold: albums sales in excess of 3 million+ so I dunno why you wrote that. Its impossible to tell whether a show is sold out unless the Team or venue says so or we know in advance, there are such things as walk ups like what will happen in NJ, so you can't expect an accurate count weeks in advance. Then she was still taping, if she was still in LA. lawrence was co. rrect in that she left the show when she had tour dates booked days later, we just know that from the time of the tapings. It is hardly a conspiracy theory that producers picked a winner, its very plausible if one follows these types of competitions. But either way thats over. Moving on. Maybe she will do DWTS but because of her bones who knows? It's not just about your statements, but generally about the statements of the fanatic fans. There these statements are made, one even wrote of 40 million albums sold, etc. Lawrence has long claimed that concerts are almost sold out. The semifinals were on February 24th, 2020 in LA, the concerts only started on February 27th. 2020. Jackie traveled direct from LA to the concerts. Jackie could theoretically have contested the final, but that would have been stressful. All this is known. Statements of collusion were also made at Jackie's Agt Finale. there is no evidence. If you knew more about Jackie, you would know that Jackie didn't expect to make it past the TMS prelims. In 2019, Jackie was knocked out at AGT Champions in the prelims. Was that also agreed. Why can't you accept what is? Oh, you're fanatics, that's why not.
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Post by lawrence on Jul 20, 2022 20:49:17 GMT -5
In the quote above, zwergnase said, "Jackie never had singing lessons, that's not true either". In the Jackie's Voice Type thread (last post), zwergnase said, she is "not an untrained singer" We know Jackie had singing lesson for a relatively brief period as a child. A child taking singing lessons is not "training". We know Jackie has had intermittent coaching from Joan Lader to help her with her "pop voice". Intermittent coaching is not training either. To say Jackie is "untrained" is factual. Jackie said recently in interview with Heather Ard from The Sharon, "I love that my form of music is almost solely instinctual, a reference to her inability to read music and to not being a trained vocalist. Because she had lessons for a while, critics have said Jackie is "a trained singer" attempting to diminish her in comparison with Amira Willighagen, who had learned to sing from imitating singers on YouTube. There is no evidence I'm aware of that Jackie has had voice training that would justify a statement that she is a trained singer. Jackie is an exceptionally talented vocalist with an extraordinary understanding of music, as David Foster said, among other things praising her innate abilities. He has never said she is "trained", that I know of. Jackie had singing lessons before Agt, Lisa mentioned that. Jackie also had a vocal coach during and after Agt. Jackie had lessons in New York, she also mentioned that. Jackie would be stupid if she didn't do it. Jackie has no training as a classical or musical singer, but she has lessons. The instinctive singing refers to what David Foster also said. Jackie instinctively understands the structure of the song. Amira learned to sing with Online Vocal Coaches, so she also had lessons. Only fanatics claim such things. We know all that about Jackie. No one here said she did not have lessons and coaching. Joan Lader is a vocal coach and voice therapist, who "helped" Jackie with her pop voice and made sure her techniques are healthy. Lessons and coaching do not constitute training which requires the conscientious study, dedication, work and practice we know Jackie and her mother had forgone and that she has not engaged in since. You were mistaken is saying "she's not an untrained singer". There's no shame in making mistakes. You are not infallible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 0:52:32 GMT -5
Jackie had singing lessons before Agt, Lisa mentioned that. Jackie also had a vocal coach during and after Agt. Jackie had lessons in New York, she also mentioned that. Jackie would be stupid if she didn't do it. Jackie has no training as a classical or musical singer, but she has lessons. The instinctive singing refers to what David Foster also said. Jackie instinctively understands the structure of the song. Amira learned to sing with Online Vocal Coaches, so she also had lessons. Only fanatics claim such things. We know all that about Jackie. No one here said she did not have lessons and coaching. Joan Lader is a vocal coach and voice therapist, who "helped" Jackie with her pop voice and made sure her techniques are healthy. Lessons and coaching do not constitute training which requires the conscientious study, dedication, work and practice we know Jackie and her mother had forgone and that she has not engaged in since. You were mistaken is saying "she's not an untrained singer". There's no shame in making mistakes. You are not infallible. This is exactly the clueless nonsense you always write. And it is an insult to Jackie. How so many of your statements offend Jackie. You claim here that Jackie does not devote herself to her singing, does not work conscientiously and does not practice. You call yourself a Jackie Evancho fan and insult Jackie in the grossest way. You're just scum. You haven't lost anything here, disappear here.
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Post by msims on Jul 21, 2022 5:45:28 GMT -5
She did not sell 4 to 5 million albums, I stated above how many she sold: so I dunno why you wrote that. Its impossible to tell whether a show is sold out unless the Team or venue says so or we know in advance, there are such things as walk ups like what will happen in NJ, so you can't expect an accurate count weeks in advance. Then she was still taping, if she was still in LA. lawrence was co. rrect in that she left the show when she had tour dates booked days later, we just know that from the time of the tapings. It is hardly a conspiracy theory that producers picked a winner, its very plausible if one follows these types of competitions. But either way thats over. Moving on. Maybe she will do DWTS but because of her bones who knows? It's not just about your statements, but generally about the statements of the fanatic fans. There these statements are made, one even wrote of 40 million albums sold, etc. Lawrence has long claimed that concerts are almost sold out. The semifinals were on February 24th, 2020 in LA, the concerts only started on February 27th. 2020. Jackie traveled direct from LA to the concerts. Jackie could theoretically have contested the final, but that would have been stressful. All this is known. Statements of collusion were also made at Jackie's Agt Finale. there is no evidence. If you knew more about Jackie, you would know that Jackie didn't expect to make it past the TMS prelims. In 2019, Jackie was knocked out at AGT Champions in the prelims. Was that also agreed. Why can't you accept what is? Oh, you're fanatics, that's why not. You have to do better than just posting contrarian arguments (btw Sarah Brightman sold 40 million albums, maybe that poster was confused). I found this post on this forum which said: jackieevanchofans.proboards.com/post/39475The last date that I could fine for taping was February 28th. Don't know if that was for the finals or not. If so than Jackie might not have made it since she had concerts on Feb 27th to 29th. Maybe she was able to fly to LA from Utah and be there for the final taping but I highly doubt it. - You're then going all the way back to 2010 (I was never involved involved in speculation or conspiracy but I do have a theory in a second) and as far as AGT Champions, The Debut was plugged on the Finale so whatever. The argument that she wasnt able to capitalize on tms/release for instance music that she performed on the show, it just literally occurred to me there could be a contract, not letting her release material that she performed on TMS. Consider how quickly they deleted the Dangerous Woman video. I think Jewel released music she did on the show but she won. As far as her releasing music on agt perhaps because there was a contract or agreement that she could but not with tms. In other words ive heard her team blamed for stuff thats probably out of their control, it probably also doesnt help that she doesnt have Sony on her side.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 6:32:31 GMT -5
It's not just about your statements, but generally about the statements of the fanatic fans. There these statements are made, one even wrote of 40 million albums sold, etc. Lawrence has long claimed that concerts are almost sold out. The semifinals were on February 24th, 2020 in LA, the concerts only started on February 27th. 2020. Jackie traveled direct from LA to the concerts. Jackie could theoretically have contested the final, but that would have been stressful. All this is known. Statements of collusion were also made at Jackie's Agt Finale. there is no evidence. If you knew more about Jackie, you would know that Jackie didn't expect to make it past the TMS prelims. In 2019, Jackie was knocked out at AGT Champions in the prelims. Was that also agreed. Why can't you accept what is? Oh, you're fanatics, that's why not. You have to do better than just posting contrarian arguments (btw Sarah Brightman sold 40 million albums, maybe that poster was confused). I found this post on this forum which said: jackieevanchofans.proboards.com/post/39475The last date that I could fine for taping was February 28th. Don't know if that was for the finals or not. If so than Jackie might not have made it since she had concerts on Feb 27th to 29th. Maybe she was able to fly to LA from Utah and be there for the final taping but I highly doubt it. - You're then going all the way back to 2010 (I was never involved involved in speculation or conspiracy but I do have a theory in a second) and as far as AGT Champions, The Debut was plugged on the Finale so whatever. The argument that she wasnt able to capitalize on tms/release for instance music that she performed on the show, it just literally occurred to me there could be a contract, not letting her release material that she performed on TMS. Consider how quickly they deleted the Dangerous Woman video. I think Jewel released music she did on the show but she won. As far as her releasing music on agt perhaps because there was a contract or agreement that she could but not with tms. In other words ive heard her team blamed for stuff thats probably out of their control, it probably also doesnt help that she doesnt have Sony on her side. All you write are excuses, On 24.2. the semi-final was without Jackie although she was still in LA, so it was not because of the concerts that she did not get to the semi-finals. Jackie couldn't believe she was getting this far at all, she didn't know who the other participants were. Jackie did everything to win, it wasn't enough, that's all. Can you accept that? Only the rights holders could prohibit Jackie from covering her songs, TMS has no way to do so. Jackie could have posted something about TMS on Youtube, not just Instagram. Just like she did with Dreams or Merry Christmas Darling. Just something for her fans.
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Post by lawrence on Jul 21, 2022 7:08:39 GMT -5
Jackie did everything to win, it wasn't enough, that's all. Can you accept that? She had enough to defeat Bret Michaels, front man for the rock band Poison who have sold well over 50 million albums worldwide and 15 million records in the United States alone....but she was defeated by a baseball player. Why does that not make sense?
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Post by rlhamil on Jul 21, 2022 8:08:30 GMT -5
Jackie did everything to win, it wasn't enough, that's all. Can you accept that? She had enough to defeat Bret Michaels, front man for the rock band Poison who have sold well over 50 million albums worldwide and 15 million records in the United States alone....but she was defeated by a baseball player. Why does that not make sense? TMS has said they accommodate those who don't have time for the entire shooting schedule. Sure. They accommodate them by kicking them off in time to be free for their prior engagement. That's what took Bret out, and Jackie too. Nick all but said as much talking to Bret when he was revealed. But since acknowledging that plainly would affect audience interest, they don't.
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