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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 1:18:34 GMT -5
Where do you draw the line on what is respectful and kind toward Jackie from a member? We allow well thought out constructive criticism on our Jackie fan forum. Remember when Jackie had blue hair? I didn't like it and I said so. I said I don't like Jackie's blue hair. I think she is prettier with light blond hair. I didn't say that Jackie's blue hair makes her look ugly. Do you see the difference? I understand your sentiments regarding the poster in question however I do not see the difference that you are trying to make. Your example is clearly an opinion and not a statement of erroneous conjecture. You have in the past made statements that are purely your opinion and I may have internally disagreed with but I cannot fault you or criticize you for stating your honest opinion. For me the difference is an honest self assessment/determination as opposed to a broad sweeping unsubstantiated post which would have us believe it is self opinion rather than an effort to sway fans into believing something totally contrary to what they know. For me ....... that is the difference.
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Post by Admin on Jul 21, 2017 1:24:43 GMT -5
Gordie, I don't understand your post. I was speaking of no particular "poster in question." I thought my post was clear. I was saying you can't attack Jackie, or anyone, personally. When I said I didn't like Jackie's blue hair I said nothing critical of Jackie. I was talking about her hair. If I had said it makes her look ugly, or like a tramp, or it shows she is a stupid conformist that would have been over the line. Do you understand now?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 1:33:12 GMT -5
Gordie, I don't understand your post. I was speaking of no particular "poster in question." I thought my post was clear. I was saying you can't attack Jackie, or anyone, personally. When I said I didn't like Jackie's blue hair I said nothing critical of Jackie. I was talking about her hair. If I had said it makes her look ugly, or like a tramp, or it shows she is a stupid conformist that would have been over the line. Do you understand now? You do not seem to recognize what I see as an insidious undermining of Jackie's reputation. You're examples are trivial by comparison.
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Post by jrchico on Jul 21, 2017 1:39:26 GMT -5
Gordie, I don't understand your post. I was speaking of no particular "poster in question." I thought my post was clear. I was saying you can't attack Jackie, or anyone, personally. When I said I didn't like Jackie's blue hair I said nothing critical of Jackie. I was talking about her hair. If I had said it makes her look ugly, or like a tramp, or it shows she is a stupid conformist that would have been over the line. Do you understand now? You do not seem to recognize what I see as an insidious undermining of Jackie's reputation. You're examples are trivial by comparison. I really don't understand your big problem with bg. He has been on Jackie's fansites and forums since Jackie has had them and he hasn't sunk her ship yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 1:47:24 GMT -5
Whoa.....we need to step back and digest what has been said. I do fully understand your post ..... I too agree that Jackie is the type of person that does not need to try and enhance her beauty with blue hair. I also understand that this is only your honest opinion (which I fully agree with) but accept that it may differ from that of others. I take no offence to the opinion. I also fully agree that if you had added to your opinion that her colour hair made her look like a tramp in addition to being ugly.....then perhaps I may have viewed that as you throwing down the gauntlet in challenge to an opposing comment. I have, along with some others, spoken out about the "lack of honest opinion" by THE POSTER in question. I support the option of blocking a poster that I cannot accept however it is not a complete solution. Other posters that do not block but find offence with THE POSTER, will often state their rebuttal by first "Quoting" the post they find offensive. This now opens it up to all those people that chose to block THE POSTER. We have a conundrum.......do we abide by the ruling authority that what is said in one place is not valid here or do we evaluate what is being said here by The POSTER in view of what has been stated elsewhere. At any rate Rick, I am glad it is your call and not mine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 4:57:29 GMT -5
We can only hope that the Admins re-evaluate their position of "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas". Our position is simple...If you don't break forum rules you are welcome here. We Admins don't expect every member to like every other member. What we do expect is that all members will be treated with respect and kindness. We more than expect this, we demand this. beachguy makes a habit of threating those he disagrees with, as in this comment directed at CLeonard,... beachguy, "gee , you scare me , I would love to speak to you up close". And beachguy has been even more blunt in many threats to others. I do not believe that the rules allow that, but Admin ignores ALL his attacks on fans here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 5:06:29 GMT -5
You do not seem to recognize what I see as an insidious undermining of Jackie's reputation. You're examples are trivial by comparison. I really don't understand your big problem with bg. He has been on Jackie's fansites and forums since Jackie has had them and he hasn't sunk her ship yet. beachguy ruined the CC-UK forum, single handedly running off dozens of fans. beachguy makes a habit of threating those he disagrees with, as in this comment directed at CLeonard,... beachguy, "gee , you scare me , I would love to speak to you up close". That comment and many even more blunt threats directed at others are still up, while my post is not. I do not believe that the rules allow that, but Admin ignores ALL his attacks on fans here.
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Post by jrchico on Jul 21, 2017 5:08:54 GMT -5
Our position is simple...If you don't break forum rules you are welcome here. We Admins don't expect every member to like every other member. What we do expect is that all members will be treated with respect and kindness. We more than expect this, we demand this. beachguy makes a habit of threating those he disagrees with, as in this comment directed at CLeonard,... beachguy, "gee , you scare me , I would love to speak to you up close". And beachguy has been even more blunt in many threats to others. I do not believe that the rules allow that, but Admin ignores ALL his attacks on fans here. The other Admins may or may not agree with me but it has been my experience that bg only counter attacks. He responds when attacked by others but does not instigate. Granted some or most of his posts are off the wall but he has a right to his own opinion just like we all do.
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Post by jrchico on Jul 21, 2017 5:12:23 GMT -5
Just a quick observation. If you walk up to a rattle snake and kick it you should expect to be bitten.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 5:23:30 GMT -5
beachguy makes a habit of threating those he disagrees with, as in this comment directed at CLeonard,... beachguy, "gee , you scare me , I would love to speak to you up close". And beachguy has been even more blunt in many threats to others. I do not believe that the rules allow that, but Admin ignores ALL his attacks on fans here. The other Admins may or may not agree with me but it has been my experience that bg only counter attacks. He responds when attacked by others but does not instigate. Granted some or most of his posts are off the wall but he has a right to his own opinion just like we all do. The comments "bg" responds to are NOT threats against him, they are only comments that oppose his remarks, but his replies are personal threats, look at the latest example against CLeonard. In reply to a string of "bg" negative post belittling his one positive post, CLeonard posted, "Jackie has never lost my respect, nor that of other "millions". In fact, she has gained the respect of many for her having held to her belief with courage and devotion. "Blinded and mind closed" is just your point of view.", to which beachguy's "response was a direct threat to Cleonard, "gee , you scare me , I would love to speak to you up close".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 5:29:37 GMT -5
Just a quick observation. If you walk up to a rattle snake and kick it you should expect to be bitten. But why allow the rattlesnake to be here. And I have not see any time when CLeonard, or any member attacked by it, had kick it first, or later.
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Post by jrchico on Jul 21, 2017 5:33:08 GMT -5
Just a quick observation. If you walk up to a rattle snake and kick it you should expect to be bitten. But why allow the rattlesnake to be here. And I have not see any time when CLeonard, or any member attacked by it, had kick it. Ok. Go read CLenords posts and then read BG.s and then get back to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 5:41:41 GMT -5
But why allow the rattlesnake to be here. And I have not see any time when CLeonard, or any member attacked by it, had kick it. Ok. Go read CLenords posts and then read BG.s and then get back to me. ********************************************************** jrchico, I have re-read the whole string of their exchange here, and I find no comment from "CLeonard" that is a personal attack, much less a personal threat. Please, if you would, quote "CLeonard's" comment threating beachguy, and I will happily delete my post saying beachguy was the first and only to post personal threats.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 6:01:17 GMT -5
But why allow the rattlesnake to be here. And I have not seen any time when CLeonard, or any member attacked by it, had kick it. Ok. Go read CLenords posts and then read BG.s and then get back to me. jrchino I want to thank you for having this open discussion with me.
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Post by Admin on Jul 21, 2017 7:21:37 GMT -5
Beachguy made a comment on another forum that some members don't like so they are ganging up on him here. We admins don't care what he, or anyone, said on another site. He isn't breaking our rules. That is what matters to us.
Beachguy said, "gee , you scare me , I would love to speak to you up close". Rob49 says this is a personal threat. It could have easily been meant as just a figure of speech.
As jrchico says Beachguy hasn't attacked anyone, but he is being attacked and I don't like it. Stop it, please.
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