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Post by wph on May 23, 2020 22:32:15 GMT -5
I do vaguely remember the person you are referring to. It was in the early days of the Amazon discussion forums. She would post very uncomplimentary things about Jackie’s voice and would berate her on the opera blog. socalfan may remember her name. He still has an active Jackie discussion forum on Amazon with a few of the dinosaurs like you and me. You might ask him, if Rick doesn’t remember.
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Post by wph on May 23, 2020 22:53:14 GMT -5
Oatmealforme You get the award for the correct answer. Happy Camper was the missing name I could not recall. Thanks, I’ll be able to sleep now..
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Post by johnnyb on May 23, 2020 23:13:03 GMT -5
Oatmealforme You get the award for the correct answer. Happy Camper was the missing name I could not recall. Thanks, I’ll be able to sleep now.. That makes two of us, you're absolutely right it was Happy Camper. It's all coming back to me now. Oh nooo! 😬
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Post by ursus on May 24, 2020 0:55:15 GMT -5
Oatmealforme You get the award for the correct answer. Happy Camper was the missing name I could not recall. Thanks, I’ll be able to sleep now.. That makes two of us, you're absolutely right it was Happy Camper. It's all coming back to me now. Oh nooo! 😬 Definitely a Dangerous Woman.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on May 25, 2020 2:48:33 GMT -5
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Post by jefan08 on May 25, 2020 20:19:46 GMT -5
Some thoughts about The Masked Singer, Jackie's appearance and her subsequent interviews.
In one interview, Jackie stated that she is 5'2" tall and not 5'1" as the media has reported for several years. In a later interview, she stated more precisely that she is 5'1 and 3/4" tall. She knows better than anyone how tall she is. Lisa was reported a number of years ago as being 5'2" also. I vaguely remember Mike being reported like about 5'7" or 5'8". Rachel will be 17 in the fall and is noticeably shorter than Jackie. Rachel, at that age, is almost certainly full height, which is typically reached at about age 14 for girls. Stars Jackie has mentioned as admiring are Christina Aguilera, who is 5'2" (who grew up in Rochester, PA and later in Wexford, PA, about 8 miles from Jackie's home), Kim Kardashian is 5'3", Lady Gaga is 5'2", and Sarah Brightman is 5'6". Others of shorter stature are Connie Talbot (born 11-20-2000) of BGT fame appearing at age 7 and 5'1" tall and the great Elaine Paige from Great Britain, the original star in Andrew Lloyd Webber's Evita and Cats, is 4'11". Judy Garland was also 4'11" and Shirley Temple was 5'2". Jackie, in my opinion, is not excessively small as an adult.
Jackie recorded Dream With Me in 2011 in David Foster's and Yolanda Hadid's house. Yolanda had been a famous model and is 5'7". Her daughters Gigi and Bella were 15 and 14 respectively at that time and lived with David Foster and Yolanda (married 11-11-2011). Both Gigi and Bella became supermodels like their mother and are 5'10 and 5'9" respectively. That probably was a major influence on Jackie's wish to be tall. Yolanda is Dutch and he Dutch people are the ethnic group reported to be the tallest.
Incidentally, I have a theory about small or short people (tongue in cheek). They live longer. There are virtually no really big or tall people that reach real old age. They are almost all little old ladies. Jackie has great genes for that. Her paternal great grandmothers lived into their 90's. Great grandfather Joe was 103 when he died last year. I asked my best friend, a physician, about my theory. He stated he wasn't aware of specific studies but there is probably something to it related to metabolism, maybe genetics and less stress on the heart. His mother is 93 and 4'10". There is a bright side to being petite.
I always thought Jackie could sing pop in spite of her saying she didn't have a pop voice. She proved that to me when she sang a few bars of Lady Gaga's song "Poker Face" in her Vegas appearance with David Foster on 12-29-2011. He then said she could sing anything. Also she showed that she could do pop when she did the music video "Go Time" for Justice clothes tn 2014. I always thought Jackie lacked confidence in singing pop songs in public. Sony was not interested in exploring other genres and upsetting the success in Classical Crossover. It wasn't until her last Sony release of Two Hearts that her "pop" songs appeared on the second disc. I hope she can succeed in her effort now that she is independent. It will be hard without a label to back her.
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Post by jefan08 on May 27, 2020 20:51:57 GMT -5
More comments related to Jackie, Kitty, and The Masked Singer.
The "Celebrity Watch" clip showing Ozzie Osbourne sitting with wife Sharon reacting to Kitty being unmasked as Jackie Evancho and saying "Who the 'f*** is Jackie Evancho" is more than irritating to me to say the least. You don't do the "f" bomb on a show like this. It's not nightclub stand up comedy. If you want to say "who is Jackie Evancho", that's fine. Remembering my parents saying "if you can't say anything nice, *******, I will say the following anyway. Ozzie O has very few working brain cells and little memory left in his old age. My previous low opinion of him went lower, if that's possible. I think this clip disappeared off you tube almost immediately after being made. Sharon was the guest judge on the show where Jackie faced off with the banana (Brett Michaels), who was correctly identified by Sharon.
The back story to this is that Sharon was a judge on AGT when Jackie appeared and was second in 2010. Ozzie watched AGT then because Sharon was a judge. Near the end of the season, Sharon stated prior to the finale results she thought Jackie would win and also stated something to the effect that Ozzie said/thought Michael Grimm would win and had or would bet like $100 on it. I forgive Ozzie not recognizing Jackie as a 19 year old adult on The Masked Singer when he had seen her as a 10 year old on AGT. I also forgive him forgetting her name. I don't forgive the "f" bomb. Incidentally, Jackie was on the TV show "The Talk" at least two times when Sharon was a co-host. Sharon was very kind and nice to Jackie. As a side note Sharon is also 5'2", the same as Jackie.
I did not know of Kandi Burress (Night Angel - the winner) or Jesse McCartney (Turtle - second place) before the show aired this season. I looked up a little about Jesse and found his birthday is April 9, 1987. Jackie's birthday is also April 9. Jesse was a child star on a soap opera and then a boy band member with a huge following of young and teen girls. He has continued his singing and acting career as an adult and apparently is a decent songwriter. He lives in Hollywood Hills with his Fiancee Katie. They have been together almost 8 years. They were supposed to get married later this year but lost the date and then the virus showed up. The new date is sometime next year. While quarantined (during the time of the Masked Singer) the two of them made 3 you tube videos titled "Jesse McCartney - The Quarantined Couple - Day 1, Day 2, and Day 3", running less than 10 minutes total. They detail the two of them trying to keep themselves entertained, interacting, fighting boredom, and occasionally getting on each other's nerves during quarantine. The 3 episodes are are entertaining, truly funny and very subtle at times. If you have 10 minutes to spare, they are worth it. The comments are funny too with many from female fans of years ago. Many comments are about how Jesse now looks like a young Leonardo Dicaprio.
Lastly, The Masked Singer you tube channel posted "Kitty's First Interview Without The Mask|Season 3 Ep. 15|The Masked Singer" 4:21 long on May 6. It gives the full Jackie post show interview in the Kitty body costume uncut like many other clips. It is, in my opinion, an eloquent, heartfelt, and touching speech/interview by Jackie. It was posted May 7, page 30 in this thread by Yellowstone2014.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on May 28, 2020 0:13:17 GMT -5
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Post by yellowstone2014 on May 28, 2020 14:24:35 GMT -5
The Masked Singer on FOX: Kitty star hits out at costume flaw 'It was frustrating!'
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Post by jefan08 on May 28, 2020 19:36:36 GMT -5
Yes Cabbage was the worst offensive offender to grace the forum but there was another fake opera snob that was a regular poster on the Amazon board that I still can't recall what her name was. She got caught in a lie about having a baby when someone who actually knew her true identity outed her that it wasn't true. Rick Olsen might remember who it was. I never belonged to this Proboards you mentioned, but she did post on Amazon. Her original name was MAwriter which became Happy Camper. I don't think she was a fake opera expert, but she seemed to have some association with opera singers, companies. Yes, I did not believe that she had a baby, since all of her other posts did not even mention a baby. Another infamous vicious critic of early Jackie was Zamyrabyrd. I don't think that either Cabbage Juice or Happy Camper were aliases for this person. Zamyrabyrd relentlessly trolled Jackie's earlier you tube videos, some of which still exist. Does anyone have more knowledge about Zamyrabyrd? There may have been other aliases with *****byrd at the end.
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Post by wph on May 28, 2020 22:35:59 GMT -5
Ah, the days of Norman Lebrecht, the Slipped Disc and Zamyrabyrd. It’s was never clear if the infamous Ms Z and the Cabbage were one in the same or not. What was clear was their tenacious defense of their precious, cherished world of opera. For several years, any performance by Jackie on you tube, or other sources, would be met by such distain from them, that you would think her mere covering a few arias was besmirching and mocking the art form beyond repair. I’ll never understand, how the tearing down of a child by an adult in such a manner is considered acceptable. Hopefully they have moved on to other more compassionate endeavors.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on May 31, 2020 0:49:59 GMT -5
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Post by jefan08 on May 31, 2020 22:18:07 GMT -5
Ah, the days of Norman Lebrecht, the Slipped Disc and Zamyrabyrd. It’s was never clear if the infamous Ms Z and the Cabbage were one in the same or not. What was clear was their tenacious defense of their precious, cherished world of opera. For several years, any performance by Jackie on you tube, or other sources, would be met by such distain from them, that you would think her mere covering a few arias was besmirching and mocking the art form beyond repair. I’ll never understand, how the tearing down of a child by an adult in such a manner is considered acceptable. Hopefully they have moved on to other more compassionate endeavors. The names of Norman Lebrecht and his blog, Slipped Disc, bring up bad memories. I spent some time this weekend revisiting and doing some more web searches to refresh my memory. I read more of the infamous posts from 2014 on by Cabbage Juice on Slipped Disc. Cabbage Juice is a voice teacher who started taking singing lessons as a child. I originally thought Cabbage Juice and Zamyrabyrd were the same person. I stated above in 2020 that I thought they were separate people. I read more of Slipped Disc (from 2014 - 2017) - The New Jackie Evancho: How Far Has She Come? than I had originally read. I have changed my mind to believing again that CJ and Zbyrd are the same person. Reading the posts by CJ again and seeing the infighting in posts between CJ and Jerome Jackson (also Jay and J Jackson who posted on the original Amazon Jackie Forums) convinced me. Jerome Jackson flat out says CJ and Zbyrd are the same person. The insults, attacks and personal attacks between them are stunning. JJ also says CJ/Zbyrd suffers from Aspergers. It got so bad that Norman Lebrecht, after more than one warning, said the thread was closed. He said it twice but it continued any way in less virulent form. In my opinion, CJ's posts on Slipped Disc and posts by Zamyrabyrd on Jackie's You Tube Videos are too similar to be a coincidence. Incidentally, there is another blog called the Collaborative Piano Blog 4-3-2014 where WestSeaDoc states in reply to anonymous criticizing Jackie "Sounds like CabbageJuice aka Zamyrabyrd". This discussion is another attack on Jackie, her parents and child singers. My search also revealed that is a site called Zamyrabyrd - gloria.tv dated Dec. 25, 2011 based in Pennsylvania with no posts. Then the jackpot came up. A YouTube Channel by Clark Kent with Zamyrabyrd singing! It's titled "Opera. Diana Callas alias zamyrabyrd - Una voce poco fa" (URL - from the opera The Barber of Seville, posted July 19, 2018. It was sung by Maria Callas and others. CJ is, by her own post statement on Slipped Disc, a fan of Maria Callas owning many books and recordings by her. I have no idea what the name Diane Callas means. Maria Callas had no children and I doubt that this is the real name of CJ/Zbyrd. Maybe it's an inside joke. The video is 6:06 long with 117 views (several are mine as I watched in awe and disbelief), with no likes, 6 dislikes, and no comments. My worst nightmare of what Zamyrabyrd looked and sounded like were exceeded by the reality of this video. She like never looks up as she slogs through the sheet music. She is wearing a horrible wig and ? Maybe it's supposed to be an opera costume. She sure shows Jackie how to sing properly. Anyone who remembers Cabbage Juice /Zamyrabird comments and trolling should watch this video. I am interested in any reactions and comments. Cabbage Juice is, according to other's posts, a voice teacher who started taking singing lessons as a child. She also apparently is a huge opera lover. I guess the old saying about those who can, do and those who can't, teach. My apologies to all real teachers. There is piano accompaniment in the video along with 3 strings. The violin guy in the middle seems vaguely familiar. One of them is identified as idhc 1. This is the YouTube comment id of another troll on the one of the original Kids2classic videos about Jackie, probably Voice types 1 - Zulu to Jackie Evancho or Bel Canto -Jackie Evancho - Voice Types 2. I think the original idhc 1 comments were lost when the videos were pulled because of strikes by S Brightman and Warner. Replacement videos are up but the original comments from idhc 1 are gone in the replacements. Also listed in the video credits as Head Hair and Wig Stylist is ClassicBird262. ClassicBird was another name credit that attacked Jackie in a few (not many) Jackie videos. This could be another another alias of Zbyrd or a friend of family member. I was stunned to find the YouTube names of 3 Jackie YouTube trolls on the same video. The biggest troll, Zbyrd, apparently is Cabbage Juice from Norman Lebrecht's Slipped Disc. Incidentally, Lebrecht is well known for making many "factual" errors in his writings, columns and books. He was sued in his home of Great Britain for so many errors in one book that he lost the lawsuit and the book was pulled from sales distribution (Wiki). I totally agree with WPH that I can't really understand how an unknown anonymous adult hiding behind an alias can tear down a child so ruthlessly and relentlessly. It took me quite a while reading comments by others to understand how some voice teachers and opera lovers are so consumed by jealousy and envy that they justify it by saying they are attempting to prevent the child from ruining their voice. This case appears to be a classic example. This troll and maybe 2 of her acquaintance trolls have probably spent hundreds of hours and thousands of words criticizing Jackie and her "improper techniques" ad infinitum. Unbelievable. I hope someone now with a video picture and probable location in PA can identify this person whoever it is. I don't post on YouTube videos but wouldn't it be great if someone put up Zbyrd's singing video as a repiy to her trolling comments with the note "Zbyrd shows Jackie how to sing properly". Jackie's breathing issues as a child with small lungs were well known. The songs she sang were composed for adults, not children. She was asked when she was 10 or 11, "What was the hardest part of singing?" Her answer was "Breathing. I have to breath 2 or 3 times more than adults." The chin wobble disappeared as she got older and bigger. Say what you want but Jackie did not ruin her voice and in my opinion she was not overworked. Unfortunately, Jackie has always attracted trolls. Now Amira Willighagen fan trolls are plaguing Jackie videos proclaiming how Amira is so great or better than Jackie. Like this is going to convert Jackie fans or viewers to Amira fans. I sure hope Jackie fans do not troll other young singers. It is arrogant, rude and unseemly.
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Post by jefan08 on May 31, 2020 22:29:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure what happened with the URL but typing in the title to YouTube does work. " Opera. Diane Callas alias Zamyrbyrd - Uno voce poco fa". Googling Zamyrabyrd also works.
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Post by wph on Jun 1, 2020 0:54:50 GMT -5
Ah, the days of Norman Lebrecht, the Slipped Disc and Zamyrabyrd. It’s was never clear if the infamous Ms Z and the Cabbage were one in the same or not. What was clear was their tenacious defense of their precious, cherished world of opera. For several years, any performance by Jackie on you tube, or other sources, would be met by such distain from them, that you would think her mere covering a few arias was besmirching and mocking the art form beyond repair. I’ll never understand, how the tearing down of a child by an adult in such a manner is considered acceptable. Hopefully they have moved on to other more compassionate endeavors. The names of Norman Lebrecht and his blog, Slipped Disc, bring up bad memories. I spent some time this weekend revisiting and doing some more web searches to refresh my memory. I read more of the infamous posts from 2014 on by Cabbage Juice on Slipped Disc. Cabbage Juice is a voice teacher who started taking singing lessons as a child. I originally thought Cabbage Juice and Zamyrabyrd were the same person. I stated above in 2020 that I thought they were separate people. I read more of Slipped Disc (from 2014 - 2017) - The New Jackie Evancho: How Far Has She Come? than I had originally read. I have changed my mind to believing again that CJ and Zbyrd are the same person. Reading the posts by CJ again and seeing the infighting in posts between CJ and Jerome Jackson (also Jay and J Jackson who posted on the original Amazon Jackie Forums) convinced me. Jerome Jackson flat out says CJ and Zbyrd are the same person. The insults, attacks and personal attacks between them are stunning. JJ also says CJ/Zbyrd suffers from Aspergers. It got so bad that Norman Lebrecht, after more than one warning, said the thread was closed. He said it twice but it continued any way in less virulent form. In my opinion, CJ's posts on Slipped Disc and posts by Zamyrabyrd on Jackie's You Tube Videos are too similar to be a coincidence. Incidentally, there is another blog called the Collaborative Piano Blog 4-3-2014 where WestSeaDoc states in reply to anonymous criticizing Jackie "Sounds like CabbageJuice aka Zamyrabyrd". This discussion is another attack on Jackie, her parents and child singers. My search also revealed that is a site called Zamyrabyrd - gloria.tv dated Dec. 25, 2011 based in Pennsylvania with no posts. Then the jackpot came up. A YouTube Channel by Clark Kent with Zamyrabyrd singing! It's titled "Opera. Diana Callas alias zamyrabyrd - Una voce poco fa" (URL - from the opera The Barber of Seville, posted July 19, 2018. It was sung by Maria Callas and others. CJ is, by her own post statement on Slipped Disc, a fan of Maria Callas owning many books and recordings by her. I have no idea what the name Diane Callas means. Maria Callas had no children and I doubt that this is the real name of CJ/Zbyrd. Maybe it's an inside joke. The video is 6:06 long with 117 views (several are mine as I watched in awe and disbelief), with no likes, 6 dislikes, and no comments. My worst nightmare of what Zamyrabyrd looked and sounded like were exceeded by the reality of this video. She like never looks up as she slogs through the sheet music. She is wearing a horrible wig and ? Maybe it's supposed to be an opera costume. She sure shows Jackie how to sing properly. Anyone who remembers Cabbage Juice /Zamyrabird comments and trolling should watch this video. I am interested in any reactions and comments. Cabbage Juice is, according to other's posts, a voice teacher who started taking singing lessons as a child. She also apparently is a huge opera lover. I guess the old saying about those who can, do and those who can't, teach. My apologies to all real teachers. There is piano accompaniment in the video along with 3 strings. The violin guy in the middle seems vaguely familiar. One of them is identified as idhc 1. This is the YouTube comment id of another troll on the one of the original Kids2classic videos about Jackie, probably Voice types 1 - Zulu to Jackie Evancho or Bel Canto -Jackie Evancho - Voice Types 2. I think the original idhc 1 comments were lost when the videos were pulled because of strikes by S Brightman and Warner. Replacement videos are up but the original comments from idhc 1 are gone in the replacements. Also listed in the video credits as Head Hair and Wig Stylist is ClassicBird262. ClassicBird was another name credit that attacked Jackie in a few (not many) Jackie videos. This could be another another alias of Zbyrd or a friend of family member. I was stunned to find the YouTube names of 3 Jackie YouTube trolls on the same video. The biggest troll, Zbyrd, apparently is Cabbage Juice from Norman Lebrecht's Slipped Disc. Incidentally, Lebrecht is well known for making many "factual" errors in his writings, columns and books. He was sued in his home of Great Britain for so many errors in one book that he lost the lawsuit and the book was pulled from sales distribution (Wiki). I totally agree with WPH that I can't really understand how an unknown anonymous adult hiding behind an alias can tear down a child so ruthlessly and relentlessly. It took me quite a while reading comments by others to understand how some voice teachers and opera lovers are so consumed by jealousy and envy that they justify it by saying they are attempting to prevent the child from ruining their voice. This case appears to be a classic example. This troll and maybe 2 of her acquaintance trolls have probably spent hundreds of hours and thousands of words criticizing Jackie and her "improper techniques" ad infinitum. Unbelievable. I hope someone now with a video picture and probable location in PA can identify this person whoever it is. I don't post on YouTube videos but wouldn't it be great if someone put up Zbyrd's singing video as a repiy to her trolling comments with the note "Zbyrd shows Jackie how to sing properly". Jackie's breathing issues as a child with small lungs were well known. The songs she sang were composed for adults, not children. She was asked when she was 10 or 11, "What was the hardest part of singing?" Her answer was "Breathing. I have to breath 2 or 3 times more than adults." The chin wobble disappeared as she got older and bigger. Say what you want but Jackie did not ruin her voice and in my opinion she was not overworked. Unfortunately, Jackie has always attracted trolls. Now Amira Willighagen fan trolls are plaguing Jackie videos proclaiming how Amira is so great or better than Jackie. Like this is going to convert Jackie fans or viewers to Amira fans. I sure hope Jackie fans do not troll other young singers. It is arrogant, rude and unseemly.
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