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Post by ursus on Apr 29, 2019 5:39:01 GMT -5
Considering the large portion of the 130 or so attendees who seem to have recorded parts of the performance, the fact that no one has apparently posted anything anywhere complaining about all of the pictures being taken and videos being recorded indicates that doing so is not really a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 7:29:02 GMT -5
Considering the large portion of the 130 or so attendees who seem to have recorded parts of the performance, the fact that no one has apparently posted anything anywhere complaining about all of the pictures being taken and videos being recorded indicates that doing so is not really a problem. Totally agree. For years Team E's thoughts toward pics and vids at concerts were a direct reduction in cd sales. Social media was/is the enemy with all the hate that goes on. Lisa believed that turtles had a great idea. Come out of your shell to perform then quickly go back in for protection. Some time recently an increase in YT and IG has put JE 'out there'. Maybe it was JE turning 18 or hiring others that last name didn't start with an E. Or she may have finally come to that realization that cc cd's do not sale like pop or rap. Let's try something new. I'm all for it. Since I do not follow any other singer, I do not know how others do the no pic vs load up YT. I do know there are a bunch of really interesting other stuff on YT> A guy building a house in Idaho, a guy cutting logs in his backyard, a girl grabbing catfish with her hands wearing a bikini. And of course, Sofie and Darcy. For more information on the girl in a bikini PM me. She also hunts big game. I don't want any of the others to think you are weird.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 8:46:35 GMT -5
Considering the large portion of the 130 or so attendees who seem to have recorded parts of the performance, the fact that no one has apparently posted anything anywhere complaining about all of the pictures being taken and videos being recorded indicates that doing so is not really a problem. Totally agree. For years Team E's thoughts toward pics and vids at concerts were a direct reduction in cd sales. Social media was/is the enemy with all the hate that goes on. Lisa believed that turtles had a great idea. Come out of your shell to perform then quickly go back in for protection. Some time recently an increase in YT and IG has put JE 'out there'. Maybe it was JE turning 18 or hiring others that last name didn't start with an E. Or she may have finally come to that realization that cc cd's do not sale like pop or rap. Let's try something new. I'm all for it. Since I do not follow any other singer, I do not know how others do the no pic vs load up YT. I do know there are a bunch of really interesting other stuff on YT> A guy building a house in Idaho, a guy cutting logs in his backyard, a girl grabbing catfish with her hands wearing a bikini. And of course, Sofie and Darcy. For more information on the girl in a bikini PM me. She also hunts big game. I don't want any of the others to think you are weird. "Since I do not follow any other singer, I do not know how others do the no pic vs load up YT." You need to expand your music world some.... They may not like it, but YouTube is loaded with concert downloads.
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Post by Willyiam on Apr 29, 2019 9:45:33 GMT -5
Considering the large portion of the 130 or so attendees who seem to have recorded parts of the performance, the fact that no one has apparently posted anything anywhere complaining about all of the pictures being taken and videos being recorded indicates that doing so is not really a problem. Totally agree. For years Team E's thoughts toward pics and vids at concerts were a direct reduction in cd sales. Social media was/is the enemy with all the hate that goes on. Lisa believed that turtles had a great idea. Come out of your shell to perform then quickly go back in for protection. Some time recently an increase in YT and IG has put JE 'out there'. Maybe it was JE turning 18 or hiring others that last name didn't start with an E. Or she may have finally come to that realization that cc cd's do not sale like pop or rap. Let's try something new. I'm all for it. Since I do not follow any other singer, I do not know how others do the no pic vs load up YT. I do know there are a bunch of really interesting other stuff on YT> A guy building a house in Idaho, a guy cutting logs in his backyard, a girl grabbing catfish with her hands wearing a bikini. And of course, Sofie and Darcy.For more information on the girl in a bikini PM me. She also hunts big game. I don't want any of the others to think you are weird. wayne; I don't know if you're interested, but you are missing out on a whole lot that YouTube has to offer! For example: In the Search bar on YouTube, type Full Concert and press Enter. This is what I got - Eric Clapton 2018 1:59:02 The Police (Sting) 2008 2:53:54 David Foster (Hit Man) 2018 1:53:55 Fleetwood Mac 2018 2:07:56 Katherine Jenkins Live From The O2 1:29:58
Or, you can enter the Artist Full Concert ex. 2Cellos Full Concert:
Or Eagles Full Concert Or Vince Gill Full Concert etc. etc.
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Post by rlhamil on Apr 29, 2019 10:02:17 GMT -5
Considering the large portion of the 130 or so attendees who seem to have recorded parts of the performance, the fact that no one has apparently posted anything anywhere complaining about all of the pictures being taken and videos being recorded indicates that doing so is not really a problem. What's true in a dinner club may not be true in a theater. People aren't packed together so tightly in the former. The etiquette of a venue that usually hosts an orchestra is also a bit different than a place that does variety shows; and at the very least, their season ticket holders tend to expect traditional manners rather than modern ones. Heck, you really aren't supposed to applaud until after the last note of the instruments, not just the last note of the singer; and in performances that are a single large work, not except between major breaks or at the end - those being so as not to distract the attentive listener nor slow down the performance. But hardly anyone under 40 that hasn't attended a few such even seems to know that. Venues and performers have their own rules - which may be the result of obligations as well as of their choice. You could say that it's great that Jackie doesn't seem to mind audience videos as her parents seemed to mind. Maybe that's a better reflection of modern reality. On the other hand, maybe this particular venue allows it unless the artist insists otherwise. Bottom line, it might be an indication that such tolerance to vids etc will happen more often in the future, but I wouldn't go so far as to expect it to be a precedent.
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Apr 29, 2019 11:08:48 GMT -5
Considering the large portion of the 130 or so attendees who seem to have recorded parts of the performance, the fact that no one has apparently posted anything anywhere complaining about all of the pictures being taken and videos being recorded indicates that doing so is not really a problem. What's true in a dinner club may not be true in a theater. People aren't packed together so tightly in the former. The etiquette of a venue that usually hosts an orchestra is also a bit different than a place that does variety shows; and at the very least, their season ticket holders tend to expect traditional manners rather than modern ones. Heck, you really aren't supposed to applaud until after the last note of the instruments, not just the last note of the singer; and in performances that are a single large work, not except between major breaks or at the end - those being so as not to distract the attentive listener nor slow down the performance. But hardly anyone under 40 that hasn't attended a few such even seems to know that. Venues and performers have their own rules - which may be the result of obligations as well as of their choice. You could say that it's great that Jackie doesn't seem to mind audience videos as her parents seemed to mind. Maybe that's a better reflection of modern reality. On the other hand, maybe this particular venue allows it unless the artist insists otherwise. Bottom line, it might be an indication that such tolerance to vids etc will happen more often in the future, but I wouldn't go so far as to expect it to be a precedent. I haven't lived in NY for a number of years, so my only knowledge of Michael Feinstein was some PBS shows and seeing him at the Algonquin, an upscale venue akin to the Carlyle, for which he was perfect. He hadn't opened Feinstein 54 when we were there. So I did a little research. You all know it's a tiny 147 seat venue, which is fine, Jackie has to start small to learn her adult trade. But I didn't realize it was almost totally no-names, singing Songbook or "tribute" acts. One of their favorites though is apparently 91 year old, cabaret singer Marilyn May. This is part of her scheduled appearances there and that's just April. MARILYN MAYE: I WISH I WERE 90 AGAIN! APRIL 3 - 13, 2019 Back by popular demand! In I Wish I Were 90 Again! marvelous Marilyn Maye returns to her home away from home to celebrate her birthday with her favorite audiences once again. As always, Marilyn carries the torch from her peers who originated tunes of the Great American Songbook to the singers who perform these songs today and will carry them on to future generations. Here is a You tube clip of CBS Morning Show celebrating Ms. Maye's career. I hope that someday Jackie gets to meet her. She knows it all. Like Jackie, she started as a child singer and still at it into old age.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Apr 29, 2019 11:12:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 12:14:29 GMT -5
Jackie has to start small to learn her adult trade. I hesitate to ask, Julia, what do you mean, "adult trade", and why is a small venue necessary? Jackie had been performing as an adult in concert venues the past year since she turned 18. I suppose you mean that "hot chick" stuff again because she had fun singing and dancing to Somebody to Love, but I may assume incorrectly. Please explain. If I may, I suggest that Broadway is not a genre intended to promote sex appeal, nor will it likely become one. Nothing has been said or shown that Will Nunziata has been teaching Jackie to become anything but more dynamic vocally in her performances of her present repertoire of songs from musicals. Moreover, she has worn somewhat revealing but classy dresses and skirts since her appearance at The Cafe Carlyle.
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Post by geb on Apr 29, 2019 12:39:16 GMT -5
As Jackie has stated her desire to do Broadway, she needs to demonstrate the ability to perform in front of an intimate audience before many Broadway producers would even consider her for a part.
There are effectively 3 types of "Broadway" shows with the following general parameters:
(1) Off-Off-Broadway which are theaters up to 99 seats (2) Off-Broadway which are theaters from 99 to 499 seats (3) Broadway which are theaters with 500+ seats
Off-Off-Broadway theaters are located all over the city.
Off-Broadway theaters are also located anywhere in the city but mostly are located in Greenwich Village and the West Side.
Broadway theaters are actually not necessarily on the street Broadway. In fact, only three Broadway theaters are actually on Broadway: the Winter Garden, the Marquis, and the Broadway Theater.
So, Broadway producers may want to see Jackie perform in a smaller venue to get a feeling for how she interacts with an intimate audience.
However, it is trickier with Jackie because of her cadre of dedicated fans that show up to her shows. That may not fly in a 400-seat Off-Broadway theater where the shows have to consistently fill the theater in order to first break even for the production costs and then make some money, typically for investors.
So, Julia is correct that Jackie has to further develop and fine tune her adult performance skills if she wants to be able to land any type of Broadway show.
And she will have to try-out for a role, competing against dozens, if not hundreds of others. There are relatively few roles in any type of Broadway show and lots of money and prestige on the line.
Now, it does help to have a Will Nunziata on her side who has a good reputation. But he can only help Jackie so far. It is her that has to close the deal for any role.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 13:02:55 GMT -5
So, Julia is correct that Jackie has to further develop and fine tune her adult performance skills if she wants to be able to land any type of Broadway show. I agree with your post, geb. My questions is, does she necessarily have to turn on sex appeal to sell herself as a performer in a musical, whether on or off Broadway, which is what Julia has suggested, at least to any greater degree than has been shown for over a year? None of the songs Jackie chose for her album require a display of sexuality to be applauded that I've seen.. Jackie is embarking upon a national and supposedly international tour to promote The Debut which will take her to different kinds of venues, not all of them small and intimate. I assume her "Broadway" ambition may be delayed. In the meantime I expect she will present herself with characteristic class, charm and humility.
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Apr 29, 2019 13:45:30 GMT -5
Jackie has to start small to learn her adult trade. I hesitate to ask, Julia, what do you mean, "adult trade", and why is a small venue necessary? Jackie had been performing as an adult in concert venues the past year since she turned 18. I suppose you mean that "hot chick" stuff again because she had fun singing and dancing to Somebody to Love, but I may assume incorrectly. Please explain. If I may, I suggest that Broadway is not a genre intended to promote sex appeal, nor will it likely become one. Nothing has been said or shown that Will Nunziata has been teaching Jackie to become anything but more dynamic vocally in her performances of her present repertoire of songs from musicals. Moreover, she has worn somewhat revealing but classy dresses and skirts since her appearance at The Cafe Carlyle. Good lord, CL, you really are hung up on the possibility that Jackie may be exposing more flesh to attract larger audiences. THAT is not the only way you can connect with audiences, even male ones. A sense of humor helps, too. These are the things you learn in intimate venues. How to entertain. And connect with the audience as individuals. What works and what doesn't. That is the "trade" Jackie is learning. Quite different from a child prodigy singing to pre-sold fans of a talent show appearance. That's why it would be so valuable for Jackie to speak to a successful veteran like 91 year old Marilyn Maye. Tony Bennett is 90, too, but he didn't, apparently, pass on any words of wisdom, as he obviously did to his good friend GaGa.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 13:59:47 GMT -5
I hesitate to ask, Julia, what do you mean, "adult trade", and why is a small venue necessary? Jackie had been performing as an adult in concert venues the past year since she turned 18. I suppose you mean that "hot chick" stuff again because she had fun singing and dancing to Somebody to Love, but I may assume incorrectly. Please explain. If I may, I suggest that Broadway is not a genre intended to promote sex appeal, nor will it likely become one. Nothing has been said or shown that Will Nunziata has been teaching Jackie to become anything but more dynamic vocally in her performances of her present repertoire of songs from musicals. Moreover, she has worn somewhat revealing but classy dresses and skirts since her appearance at The Cafe Carlyle. Good lord, CL, you really are hung up on the possibility that Jackie may be exposing more flesh to attract larger audiences. THAT is not the only way you can connect with audiences, even male ones. A sense of humor helps, too. These are the things you learn in intimate venues. How to entertain. And connect with the audience as individuals. What works and what doesn't. That is the "trade" Jackie is learning. Quite different from a child prodigy singing to pre-sold fans of a talent show appearance. That's why it would be so valuable for Jackie to speak to a successful veteran like 91 year old Marilyn Maye. Tony Bennett is 90, too, but he didn't, apparently, pass on any words of wisdom, as he obviously did to his good friend GaGa. Thank you, Julia, for your response. That is a more reasonable and agreeable explanation than Will's having been grooming Jackie to become "a hot chick" on the stage to sell her "Broadway" songs, as you suggested earlier on this thread. I think we both understand now what Jackie must learn...in time...as she pursues an aspiration toward Broadway.
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Post by geb on Apr 29, 2019 15:28:16 GMT -5
Yes, Jackie has lived a pretty sheltered performer's life. That is perfectly fine as she was a child.
However, now she is in the "big boy" and "big girl" world of entertainment. A whole new ballgame.
How will Jackie react when she gets a drunk heckler? It will happen at some point. The two main ways I have seen that seem to work is to get the audience to turn against the person using some humor or directly put down the person with humor. Security will take care of the imbecile, but Jackie deftly handling the situation from the stage only can enhance her rapport with the audience.
Or how about when 25% of the audience just gets up and leaves because they do not like the show?
Or when the audience is totally dead (as can happen with comedians) and not responding to what Jackie is doing on the stage.
And any number of other situations that pop-up in smaller, more intimate settings, during the early stages of an adult's performance career.
Some performers cannot handle it, some gain experience and excel. It depends upon the person and how they handle adversary.
One can go on YouTube and check out any number of performers early in their career and how they interact with audiences today.
It is argumentative whether Jackie wearing a chic, modern outfit on stage while performing is trying to "sexualize" her show. I look it as her getting into the mainstream of performing in smaller, intimate settings. Jackie wants to compete, she has to dress the part.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 16:12:43 GMT -5
It is argumentative whether Jackie wearing a chic, modern outfit on stage while performing is trying to "sexualize" her show. I look it as her getting into the mainstream of performing in smaller, intimate settings. Jackie wants to compete, she has to dress the part. I took it the same way, geb. I have no objections whatsoever to Jackie's choices of attire. She continues to show class while getting into the mainstream and I credit her with that. Her white pant-suit was dignified. And her glittering skirt top was attractive, showing her legs in a sophisticated way. She is demonstrating her adulthood wisely, and I suggest it is by her own design, likely with concurrence from her associates.
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