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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 9:04:57 GMT -5
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Post by Gato on Sept 16, 2017 10:06:47 GMT -5
Because you aren't a modern teen? My parents asked the same question in the late '60s & early '70s.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 14:25:09 GMT -5
Because you aren't a modern teen? My parents asked the same question in the late '60s & early '70s. Don't forget the 50's - Elvis. If it wasn't Frank Sinatra it was garbage. I remember the day I got old. I didn't like anything on the radio. Then 30 years later a little girl in a red dress pops up on my screen. Still nothing on the radio. Ha
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Post by Gato on Sept 16, 2017 15:04:02 GMT -5
Because you aren't a modern teen? My parents asked the same question in the late '60s & early '70s. Don't forget the 50's - Elvis. If it wasn't Frank Sinatra it was garbage. I remember the day I got old. I didn't like anything on the radio. Then 30 years later a little girl in a red dress pops up on my screen. Still nothing on the radio. Ha I rarely turn my car stereo to anything broadcast (paid or free), rather I have a USB drive plugged in and listen to that to/from work. It has about 50 Jackie songs and about 10 by Grace V.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 15:33:17 GMT -5
jackieevanchofans.proboards.com/post/21304/threadActually, I have little confidence that the arts in education (music) will inspire significantly increased appreciation of "true artistry" among the youth (tweens to 30s), in general that is. The artists like Jackie are up against too much programming and hopefully will be satisfied to continue their art for the sake of its integrity for those who have not been conditioned, whether they are older folks or the young, and who are independent enough not to be seduced by the "noise" that is promoted as "music". They just won't be as popular and "successful", but that has never been the criteria for determining great art. Great artistry in music is all about integrity, despite differing tastes. Some types of music I don't particularly like to listen to but I do appreciate its value as art.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 16:01:38 GMT -5
Wow. And the guy didn't even get into Autotune. Back when I was a worker, and was often subjected to others' choice of radio station, I noticed that "Wah-oh wah-oh" that occurred with astonishing frequency. Jackie's four songs do contrast with mainstream pop, in having considerable dynamic variation and complexity. As does plenty of other music being made by people the mass market will never notice. You can find it on niche radio stations, usually "noncommercial" ones, but without the filtering of the mass market that used to exist, you get a very mixed bag of stuff, depending on the eccentricities of the DJs. There's not enough listeners to make the good stuff rise to the top.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Dec 15, 2018 0:01:44 GMT -5
There are a lot of reasons...
only few know what they are doing today..it isn't necessary anymore that someone learned his craft..many copy things that sell, try and error
as the album/cd are kind of dead or dying most things are trash stuff ..no one has the money anymore to book a recording studio with real musicians for days, no time to experiment...even David Foster...JE sings her pre produced part in NY..the other singer in Mailand..Tony Bennet is one of the very few who records his albums the old way
because of the 30sec rule in streaming - artist/label only gets paid if one streams longer than 30 sec ..so everything gets packed in the first 30 sec ..a song like Brothers in Arms (Dire Straits) with a long intro - today - never
most songs today haven't any great catchy melodies anymore...the last Taylor Swift album...in that aspect totally trash
etc. etc.
Yesterday Ariana Grande released her new song...after 1 hour #1 on itunes..Why??? 4
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Post by lawrence on Aug 16, 2022 14:32:58 GMT -5
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Post by geb on Aug 18, 2022 9:41:36 GMT -5
If you want to find out about auto-tune, another British YouTuber, Wings of Pegasus, should be listened to: www.youtube.com/c/wingsofpegasusFil has played guitar for 25 years and has taught professionally for 15 years. Fil has also been performing live for 17 years with various bands. Fil absolutely hates auto-tune and has done numerous videos showing its use, and misuse. Here is an example where they auto-tuned Eric Clapton singing Layla, that Fil called a disgrace. Fil later had a video of Eric Clapton singing Layla where they did not auto-tune. You can absolutely hear how the idiots who auto-tuned the first performance actually wrecked the song. Another video was of Michael Buble singing live on TV where they tried to auto-tune the performance and absolutely destroyed it so bad that they had to turn-off the auto-tune. Of course, the best video on auto-tune was this comedy spoof.
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Post by lawrence on Aug 19, 2022 18:46:58 GMT -5
"Richard John Beato (born April 24, 1962 is an American YouTube personality, multi-instrumentalist, music producer and educator. Since the early 1980s, he has worked variously as a musician, songwriter, audio engineer, and record producer, and has lectured on music at several universities. He is now known for his YouTube channel, Everything Music, where he covers different aspects of rock, jazz, and popular music, and interviews well-known musicians and producers". -Wikipedia
Modern Music's Death by Auto-Tune
For those unaware, Jackie has never used auto-tune in recording or performance, and in fact, refuses to use it...."It's not honest", she says (IIRC).
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Post by lawrence on Sept 23, 2022 10:53:42 GMT -5
Actually, I have little confidence that the arts in education (music) will inspire significantly increased appreciation of "true artistry" among the youth (tweens to 30s), in general that is. The artists like Jackie are up against too much programming and hopefully will be satisfied to continue their art for the sake of its integrity for those who have not been conditioned, whether they are older folks or the young, and who are independent enough not to be seduced by the "noise" that is promoted as "music". They just won't be as popular and "successful", but that has never been the criteria for determining great art. Great artistry in music is all about integrity, despite differing tastes. Some types of music I don't particularly like to listen to but I do appreciate its value as art. "You have NO IDEA how rare this is! A FULLY live performance in 2020!" (Wings of Pegasus) The performance
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Post by rlhamil on Sept 23, 2022 12:41:47 GMT -5
Most of everything is garbage; the well-aged books, music, movies, etc that survived probably aren't.
In other words, the majority is, in the short term, frequently wrong.
Training is mostly necessary but not sufficient. Particular categories like Swift's evil-ex material rise and fall (insofar as their origin is the human condition, never totally go away, perhaps); for a time, they get overplayed until enough people get tired of them or grow up a little. Country had stuff like "Margaritaville", poor me for being so messed up, but that can get to be too much pretty quick too, so mostly it falls to a reasonable level after having had its time. Survivable content is probably not content that needs to ride any one particular fad, although sone of it may fit the fad well enough to get an initial boost, but the test remains whether it lasts.
And every generation goes through its own fads, which aren't really new except in detail (and often borrow quite a few ideas there).
Creating new material that people will still listen to a generation from now, that's the trick; and it doubtless needs both learnable skills and talents one is born with...and some insight into what has meaning that lasts beyond fashion, beyond even the angst of the day or of a particular stage of life.
But I don't think there's a formula for it, although there are formulas best observed unless one understands them enough to know when not to.
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Post by lawrence on Oct 18, 2022 23:17:14 GMT -5
Creating new material that people will still listen to a generation from now, that's the trick; and it doubtless needs both learnable skills and talents one is born with...and some insight into what has meaning that lasts beyond fashion, beyond even the angst of the day or of a particular stage of life. "Can Younger Generations Connect With Old Songs?" Ask Jackie who has been inspired by and recorded many "old songs", the latest album being Joni Mitchell classics which may have actually been a tribute to Jim Croce instead had she not been encouraged to investigate Mitchell's songwriting. Here's what Rick Beato, a producer/musician and YouTube singer/songwriter, Mary Spender (age 32), had to say about lyrics of the oldies, specifically "Operator" by Jim Croce:
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