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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 15:50:11 GMT -5
In your opinion, does any singer in this video have an equally or more beautiful and pleasing falsetto (head voice) than Jackie?
"Women DO sing in falsetto, and Jackie is a master at it. For most, it is a necessity to reach beyond their natural range. For Jackie it is a technique for interpretation." -lawrence, from post of Aug. 5 above.
No, not in that video, nor any video of any singer I have heard sing. Jennifer Hudson, Kelly Clarkson, Whitney Houston, and others all have falsettos as appealing as Jackie.
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Post by rob49 on Aug 17, 2018 20:03:39 GMT -5
LOL For those with tin ears.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 21:18:34 GMT -5
LOL For those with tin ears. My ears have no tin in them, and I know what I'm hearing.
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Post by jamesn on Aug 18, 2018 10:25:16 GMT -5
LOL For those with tin ears. This discussion is reminding me of that old webpage from long past where the author (who claims he's tortured by most singing and finds even performers like Brightman, etc. to be singing off-key) puts Jackie in the category of Streisand and Dion as having perfect pitch and therefore always reliable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 15:56:46 GMT -5
A demonstration of how Jackie alternates full voice with head voice. She begins using head voice at 1:50 through to 2:12. But notice that from 2:52 to 3:17 she uses full voice to include the power note, "to BE". Then she goes immediately to head voice for the line, "only then can you belong to me". Back to full voice again, but closes the song with the last note, "night" in head voice for a soft ending. She does all this purposely for the effect she chooses in emoting her interpretation of the music and character of the song. She could easily have sung the whole song in full voice. Whether or not her execution is pleasing is subjective to the listener. I'm just bringing attention to the technique with which she uses her head voice for interpretation in this song.
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Post by rob49 on Aug 18, 2018 16:14:12 GMT -5
LOL For those with tin ears. This discussion is reminding me of that old webpage from long past where the author (who claims he's tortured by most singing and finds even performers like Brightman, etc. to be singing off-key) puts Jackie in the category of Streisand and Dion as having perfect pitch and therefore always reliable. A guest named Fred, on socalfan's forum, ask for this to be passed on to you, jamesn. maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/archives/19918-Introducing-Jackie-Evancho.htmlThe video links are missing from the article, the first would have been of Streisand, I can't remember what it was, so I will link to an early performance I like. the second of a young Dion, this may not be the same performance, but it is the correct song. the third of Jackie's duet with Brightman on AGT, the fourth of Jackie preforming Time To Say Goodbye alone, I know the last link was the video of Jackie's duet with Barbra Streisand. The article's author says this video show the Queen passing the Crown to Jackie. The original link is no more, but I found this, www.jackie-evancho.dk/hd-video/somewhere-dwmic2011.html
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 21:26:56 GMT -5
Of the singers, I like Dion and Fabian they have the most pleasing falsettos imho. I wonder why you replied to my reply, instead of replying to Lawrence's post directly, as one normally would. But then, you are not normal. LOL Sometimes my brain works so fast I confuse myself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 21:32:24 GMT -5
LOL For those with tin ears. This discussion is reminding me of that old webpage from long past where the author (who claims he's tortured by most singing and finds even performers like Brightman, etc. to be singing off-key) puts Jackie in the category of Streisand and Dion as having perfect pitch and therefore always reliable. That might have been me idk but if it was I don't retract one syllable of what I said about Jackie. I have relative perfect pitch(I can hear 1/16th tones off pitch) and Brightman does sing off key at times(but not very often).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 21:49:55 GMT -5
What a glorious voice she has;
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 12:28:36 GMT -5
LOL For those with tin ears. This discussion is reminding me of that old webpage from long past where the author (who claims he's tortured by most singing and finds even performers like Brightman, etc. to be singing off-key) puts Jackie in the category of Streisand and Dion as having perfect pitch and therefore always reliable.jamesn, I understand what you mean, but there needs to be some clarification.
Perfect Pitch vs Perfect Relative Pitch:
To understand why Jackie consistently sings perfectly in key, we must understand her innate abilities as a vocal musician. Specifically, how is she able to hear the entire melody of a song in her mind and perform it on pitch, "in key", without the aid of reading music, even in falsetto which is more difficult? Jackie may or may not have perfect pitch. I suspect she might. But, what's more important is that she has perfect relative pitch. There is a significant difference.
Perfect Pitch (or absolute pitch) is the incredibly rare ability to instantaneously identify or sing any given musical note without a reference pitch. It's estimated that 1/10,000 people in the US are born with this cognitive trait. There are two types of perfect pitch: active and passive. A person with active PP could sing a Bb for example without hearing the note or any reference to it. If a person with passive PP is asked to sing the same Bb, they cannot. However, if a random note is played for them, they will be able to name it without a problem. "That's a Bb" or a G, and so on.
Perfect Relative Pitch (PRP) is the ability to identify or re-create a given musical note by comparing it to a reference note and identifying the interval between the two notes, the tonal distance from Bb to G, for example. PRP is quite common among musicians, especially those who are used to "playing by ear" or singing by ear, as Jackie does. They rely upon their own skill to determine the precise pitch of the notes in interval throughout a given melody or harmony. Unlike perfect pitch, perfect relative pitch can be developed through ear training and a lot of practice (Sarah Brightman for example). PRP is essential to a singer for staying in key (on pitch). That is, he/she must be able to hear the intervals cognitively and perform them accurately. "Key" is the series of pitch related intervals in a song. A song may be written in one key or another depending upon the character of the song, such as a major key or a minor key (different topic)
Jackie has innate PRP, which means that she can naturally hear and execute the intervals of a melody, or harmony (which is more difficult because the other part of a harmony can be distracting), perfectly on pitch, thus stay in key. That has been demonstrated when she sings a portion or most of a song a cappella (no instrumentation for reference). If Jackie has perfect pitch, she can hear in her mind the first note of a song, say an A, without it being played and then perform the song perfectly in key as well. As we know, Jackie refuses to use auto-tune, and doesn't need to because of her innate PRP. Whether or not Jackie has perfect pitch is not as important as having perfect relative pitch. All she needs is to hear the first note of a song, either in her mind or having it played for her, to begin the song. Perfect relative pitch, however, enables her to stay in key and on pitch from beginning to end with or without instrumentation.
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Post by jamesn on Aug 20, 2018 10:58:33 GMT -5
This discussion is reminding me of that old webpage from long past where the author (who claims he's tortured by most singing and finds even performers like Brightman, etc. to be singing off-key) puts Jackie in the category of Streisand and Dion as having perfect pitch and therefore always reliable. A guest named Fred, on socalfan's forum, ask for this to be passed on to you, jamesn. maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/archives/19918-Introducing-Jackie-Evancho.htmlThe video links are missing from the article, the first would have been of Streisand, I can't remember what it was, so I will link to an early performance I like. the second of a young Dion, this may not be the same performance, but it is the correct song. the third of Jackie's duet with Brightman on AGT, the fourth of Jackie preforming Time To Say Goodbye alone, I know the last link was the video of Jackie's duet with Barbra Streisand. The article's author says this video show the Queen passing the Crown to Jackie. The original link is no more, but I found this, www.jackie-evancho.dk/hd-video/somewhere-dwmic2011.htmlThanks! I would've liked to link it myself, but couldn't remember exactly where it originated. And it's too bad the video links in the original have disappeared, but it was always his account that impressed me anyway - we all know how Jackie and the others sound.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 21:26:50 GMT -5
This song exemplifies Jackie control. Even in mid and low range, she is on pitch with each note and maintains it through to its end. The intervals in lower registers are not as distinct as in the upper range, so it's critical to be pitch-perfect in order to stay in key (to the listener), especially when there is little supportive instrumentation to rely upon. Then she brings the song to it's conclusion with a perfect interval leap to the high note. Published August 3, 2018
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 22:49:41 GMT -5
A Nice dedication to little Jackie.
"Christian Valk accompanies one of Jackie's songs originally sung a capella in the Evancho home...Maybe he will work with some of her other early recordings. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Peace"
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Post by matthew99 on May 5, 2019 19:30:58 GMT -5
I think this is the right place to repost this from the old forum. Here you can check out how good you can really recognize Jackie's voice:Jackie's Voice♫ ♬ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♩ ♪Sound Sample TestHow good do you knowJackie's voice?Find it out!Here! Got 178/200. Don't know how good that is among fans. Most of the time when the sample is from Jackie and I got it right, it was because I knew not just the voice but also where exactly the sample came from. Samples from rare recordings (rare enough that I never listened to them) and one noters were the ones that were the most difficult for me because I couldn't figure out the recording that the sample came from and had to decide solely by the voice.
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Post by rlhamil on May 5, 2019 20:51:57 GMT -5
LOL For those with tin ears. This discussion is reminding me of that old webpage from long past where the author (who claims he's tortured by most singing and finds even performers like Brightman, etc. to be singing off-key) puts Jackie in the category of Streisand and Dion as having perfect pitch and therefore always reliable. While I'm not tortured to that degree, I think there's likely some truth to that web page. Few voices cause me minimal discomfort, and Jackie's is among the few. I also recall seeing for myself that she clearly hears what's going on, too - a quickly suppressed glance in their direction when one of the strings hits an off note.
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