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Post by pgantioch on Apr 17, 2017 2:53:03 GMT -5
My understanding is this “cafe” is really similar to a “night club’. If this is the case, I don’t know if this the proper environment to introduce “pop” music which is tailored toward a younger audience. I believe that Jackie should tailor her music set to fit her audience. I think she is. She talked about getting advice on what to sing there, perhaps from Peter, Dina & others. And remember, for several years, her encore number has been The Lord's Prayer. She changed it to Nessun Dorma for the Carlyle. Seems like an excellent idea to me... Edit: As jrchico says, she also used ND for her encore at the Triple Door in Seattle. So maybe it's a change with the 2H tour.
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Post by jrchico on Apr 17, 2017 3:01:20 GMT -5
My understanding is this “cafe” is really similar to a “night club’. If this is the case, I don’t know if this the proper environment to introduce “pop” music which is tailored toward a younger audience. I believe that Jackie should tailor her music set to fit her audience. I think she is. She talked about getting advice on what to sing there, perhaps from Peter, Dina & others. And remember, for several years, her encore number has been The Lord's Prayer. She changed it to Nessun Dorma for the Carlyle. Seems like an excellent idea to me... That was her encore song for The Three Doors in Seattle too.
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Post by ursus on Apr 17, 2017 5:17:43 GMT -5
I think she is. She talked about getting advice on what to sing there, perhaps from Peter, Dina & others. And remember, for several years, her encore number has been The Lord's Prayer. She changed it to Nessun Dorma for the Carlyle. Seems like an excellent idea to me... That was her encore song for The Three Doors in Seattle too. IMHO, ND is a very fitting song to be used as an encore since its end shows Jackie's voice at its finest and that is good to leave in the minds of the audience as they leave.
Something that just crossed my mind as I typed the above -- Jackie has said several times recently to the effect that she is singing an encore because of the audience positive response to her earlier performance, implying that she would not have sung one if there was only mild clapping. However a handout of the set list including the encore which was apparently given to the patrons at the Carlyle was posted here. Interesting.
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Post by jrchico on Apr 17, 2017 6:16:24 GMT -5
That was her encore song for The Three Doors in Seattle too. IMHO, ND is a very fitting song to be used as an encore since its end shows Jackie's voice at its finest and that is good to leave in the minds of the audience as they leave.
Something that just crossed my mind as I typed the above -- Jackie has said several times recently to the effect that she is singing an encore because of the audience positive response to her earlier performance, implying that she would not have sung one if there was only mild clapping. However a handout of the set list including the encore which was apparently given to the patrons at the Carlyle was posted here. Interesting.
That is interesting. We didn't get a set list hand out at Three Doors but she did use ND as her encore for all of her shows there.
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Post by ursus on Apr 17, 2017 12:36:03 GMT -5
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Apr 17, 2017 12:53:03 GMT -5
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Apr 17, 2017 13:03:36 GMT -5
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Post by pgantioch on Apr 17, 2017 13:43:08 GMT -5
There are now several reviews that are generally positive but fault Jackie for being too young & inexperienced. They may be the best we can expect at this time. Her fans still feel that her emotional expression is remarkable, even if she's expressing emotions she hasn't yet had.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 14:07:31 GMT -5
Holy cow! pretty much a rip-off of Zachary Stewart's article! Just slightly re-words what he says, almost paragraph by paragraph.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 17:19:16 GMT -5
I agree pgantioch and schrodinger. They have to find fault with something. Her age and lack of experience is hardly a shortcoming to be critical about. I imagine the audience was more appreciative and less critical.
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Post by bgstar on Apr 17, 2017 17:31:55 GMT -5
So far all the critic reviews of Jackie's gig at the Cafe' Carlyle have been far from negative. A good critic's job is to look for the artists' weaknesses and make corrective comments. For the most part all they could criticize is that Jackie is to young and she doesn't have life experiences to enhance her music. You and I know Jackie is empathetic, even at a very young age, and she projects it in her passion and her music. Just think, when she is older and has experienced some of life's tribulations her music will be beyond criticism.
Added note: The following is a paraphrase of a quote by Sonu Nigam. Some might find it thoughtful because it has to do with criticism. Some of Jackie's fans might find it insightful.
"My fans are my critics, and I respect their feedback and constructive criticism, but they should not try to own me. Don't they experiment with their lives too? If they are real fans, then they will accept me how I am."
Can't we accept Jackie as she is?
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Post by raymoc211 on Apr 17, 2017 18:03:40 GMT -5
I agree pgantioch and schrodinger. They have to find fault with something. Her age and lack of experience is hardly a shortcoming to be critical about. I imagine the audience was more appreciative and less critical. As Ronald Reagan said during the Reagan Mondale debate about the age issue. " "I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience,". The same could be said about Jackie. Jackie has nothing to prove. as the old expression goes, "Those that can do, those that can't...well you know. I know of no other 17 year old girl that can do technically what she has been doing for the last 7 years. Her intellectual and emotional age has always been far beyond her chronological age. Jackie always has had an innate sense that allows her to express all the various colors and meaning in songs sung in both English and Italian. This is just another manifestation of the "Jackie Affect".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 18:42:55 GMT -5
I agree pgantioch and schrodinger. They have to find fault with something. Her age and lack of experience is hardly a shortcoming to be critical about. I imagine the audience was more appreciative and less critical. As Ronald Reagan said during the Reagan Mondale debate about the age issue. " "I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience,". The same could be said about Jackie. Jackie has nothing to prove. as the old expression goes, "Those that can do, those that can't...well you know. I know of no other 17 year old girl that can do technically what she has been doing for the last 7 years. Her intellectual and emotional age has always been far beyond her chronological age. Jackie always has had an innate sense that allows her to express all the various colors and meaning in songs sung in both English and Italian. This is just another manifestation of the "Jackie Effect". I suppose we should expect that some "critics" are not really familiar with Jackie and her historical "affect" upon audiences and are just winging it with their reviews. Nevertheless, their predominantly positive assessment speaks very well for this "youngster". I also think that some critical minded types may be less sensitive to being "affected" by anything.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 19:11:32 GMT -5
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Post by oatmealforme on Apr 17, 2017 19:17:24 GMT -5
There are now several reviews that are generally positive but fault Jackie for being too young & inexperienced. They may be the best we can expect at this time. Her fans still feel that her emotional expression is remarkable, even if she's expressing emotions she hasn't yet had. Making comments about being 'young and inexperienced' are just manufactured criticisms which require very little thinking. The real test of Jackie's singing ability is what Jackie makes the listeners feel, and to that I can attest personally as others have that she, indeed, has that ability. I also add that singing at the Carlyle has brought quite a few reviews unlike her single concerts, and to that, her exposure in New York has been very useful.
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