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Post by seraphin on Mar 9, 2020 7:48:05 GMT -5
I hesitate to broach the subject but what effects will the Corona Virus have on concert attendance?
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Post by geb on Mar 9, 2020 12:00:38 GMT -5
Given that many of the attendees tend to be older, a high risk class, probably hurt. I presume most here do know that there are many varieties of coronaviruses including those that cause the common cold. www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus#1As the above referenced WebMD article indicates, virtually everyone will get infected by at least one variety of coronavirus, usually when a child. It is the more deadly versions of coronavirus that are worrisome. Right now the coronavirus causing the disease COVID-19 (yes, what people are calling the coronavirus is actually the name of the disease caused by the actual coronavirus). I recently listened to an NPR radio station who interviewed a researcher who indicated that the female bat he had captured and was studying had over 140 varieties of coronavirus in its body. So what does this mean? That people are in a panic over a naturally occurring coronavirus mutation that can cause death in people with weakened immune systems. This situation occurs in a high percentage of the elderly. Ergo, one of the primary high risk groups. One or more vaccines are in development. But people probably will overreact to the announcement of a successful vaccine with euphoria. They will not even comprehend that on average the influenza vaccine produced each year only historically averages a success rate of roughly 41%. This year's flu vaccine has not been very effective with at most a 20% success rate. The prior year the success rate was above the average. Annually worldwide flu deaths approach 646,000: www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=208914#:~:text=Presently, the flu is a far more deadly virus-based disease than the COVID-19 coronavirus. Maybe, the death rates will be similar once a ton of people get the COVID-19 coronavirus and a better death rate can be determined than the present 3.4% rate recently announced. In the US, there have been at least 539 cases across 34 states with 22 deaths. Most deaths are from an elderly home in the State of Washington: www.nytimes.com/2020/03/08/world/coronavirus-news.htmlHere is one potential vaccine candidate that was determined in about 3 hours using sophisticated medical software after the Chinese released the DNA footprint for the COVID-19 coronavirus: finance.yahoo.com/news/california-lab-says-discovered-coronavirus-123356925.htmlWhat is interesting is research coming out of probably the best respiratory disease hospital in the world located in Denver, Colorado (National Jewish Health): www.nationaljewish.org/homeUse of phospholipids (contained in every single cell of the body) has been shown to be effective in blocking certain viruses from attaching themselves to the alveolar epithelium (https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/alveolar-epithelium#:~:text=) which is like a skin in the lungs: www.asbmb.org/asbmb-today/science/040118/using-phospholipids-to-combat-influenza-aSeveral of my associates are leading authorities on certain classes of phospholipds that are used to combat dry eye and dry skin conditions that affect hundreds of millions of people a year. One of their studies even showed how one could use phospholipids to deliver steroids into the skin to a targeted location. So nature is amazing. New threats appear all the time and eventually nature (or us helping nature with targeted vaccines and drugs) combat them to return to a balanced state.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Mar 9, 2020 12:07:58 GMT -5
I hesitate to broach the subject but what effects will the Corona Virus have on concert attendance? I guess, we really don't know. Today, the ATP Tennis Tournament in Indian Wells was canceled. Here, in Europe, in Italy yesterday died 133 people within 24 hours. I think, there is no forecast possible right now.
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Post by rlhamil on Mar 9, 2020 15:41:16 GMT -5
All gatherings will be impacted, including competitors; and perhaps larger gatherings even more than smaller ones. But most venues and performers do better with some audience than none; and airline (and perhaps hotel) prices have fallen in response to people avoiding unnecessary travel (even domestically). So the costs for the performers might be dropping slightly too.
Jackie's audience may be older than many; but enough are say below 65 and in reasonably good health, that their risk isn't too high. So depending on whether people are being sensible vs panicky (although the market is nuts!), the effect shouldn't be too severe.
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Post by seraphin on Mar 10, 2020 12:25:46 GMT -5
Airline travel would seem to be a very risky for contracting the Corona Virus - being in a confined space close to many other people breathing largely recirculated air for a prolonged period. My understanding is that the disease leaves the lungs permanently scarred. Washing hands and surfaces such as arm rests and railings is all well and good but it is no defense against the aerosol transmission of the disease. I hope Jackie travels by car to her next appearances.
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Post by rlhamil on Mar 10, 2020 12:58:02 GMT -5
Airline travel would seem to be a very risky for contracting the Corona Virus - being in a confined space close to many other people breathing largely recirculated air for a prolonged period. My understanding is that the disease leaves the lungs permanently scarred. Washing hands and surfaces such as arm rests and railings is all well and good but it is no defense against the aerosol transmission of the disease. I hope Jackie travels by car to her next appearances. Cars are more dangerous in other ways than air travel - ways far more likely to have serious results for the otherwise healthy and non-elderly than coronavirus. Most airliners other than the small ones used by regional airlines have HEPA filters...which probably won't catch the virus itself (it's too small), but should catch some, perhaps most of the droplets carrying the virus, which are larger. The real problem is whether there's someone sick near you. I'd at least say double down on hand washing and not touching face, and take some Clorox wipes with you and wipe down the armrests and tray. (hand sanitizer would be nice, but that's very short supply right now) An N95 mask that seals well might help some - but it's more likely to protect others from a sick person wearing it, than to protect the person wearing it. And they're in crazy short supply too (most of 'em are made in China, which doesn't help!) and best left for hospital personnel, first responders, etc.
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Post by jcas on Mar 11, 2020 6:13:57 GMT -5
Doctors I'm listening to,including 2 in my own family, say this virus adheres to and is transmitted from hard surfaces, not through the air and that masks of any kind are a waste of money and effort. We have a family friend who's kind of a shyster who bought 2000 masks at wholesale a month ago for pennies per mask. Sold out earlier this week at $10.00 a mask. Trying to get more to sell panicky suckers. So far, the best and only effective advise to avoid getting this stuff is to wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands after being in public. The whole situation is becoming ludicrous. My niece told us that she found Costco was totally sold out of toilet paper when she went yesterday afternoon. People are hoarding anticipating being quarantined. Since our gov just declared a state of emergency .... based on discovery of (2) confirmed cases in a geographically huge state with a population of 10 million ... I'm sure panic buying is on its way to your nearest supermarket. What does it say about our society that so many can lose their minds over a bug that has killed only a teeny fraction of the world's population so far, when identified and treatable flu strains that many of us are annually vaccinated against have already killed tens of thousands year to date.
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Post by rlhamil on Mar 11, 2020 6:37:16 GMT -5
Doctors I'm listening to,including 2 in my own family, say this virus adheres to and is transmitted from hard surfaces, not through the air and that masks of any kind are a waste of money and effort. We have a family friend who's kind of a shyster who bought 2000 masks at wholesale a month ago for pennies per mask. Sold out earlier this week at $10.00 a mask. Trying to get more to sell panicky suckers. So far, the best and only effective advise to avoid getting this stuff is to wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands after being in public. The whole situation is becoming ludicrous. My niece told us that she found Costco was totally sold out of toilet paper when she went yesterday afternoon. People are hoarding anticipating being quarantined. Since our gov just declared a state of emergency .... based on discovery of (2) confirmed cases in a geographically huge state with a population of 10 million ... I'm sure panic buying is on its way to your nearest supermarket. What does it say about our society that so many can lose their minds over a bug that has killed only a teeny fraction of the world's population so far, when identified and treatable flu strains that many of us are annually vaccinated against have already killed tens of thousands year to date. It can apparently survive up to nine days on some surfaces. But that doesn't mean it isn't also airborne, in droplets. As I said, even medical grade N95 masks protect others from the person wearing them (why surgeons wear masks) more than they protect the person wearing them. They're better than nothing, but as you said, hand washing (and not touching face except with freshly washed hands that then get washed again immediately afterward) is best; and masks aren't worth crazy prices or contributing to shortages for those few that have credible uses for them. The hand sanitizer shortage is annoying though; a small bottle of that traveling (after touching door handles or pretty much anything) and maybe a bigger bottle at home and in the car, would be good. The flu kills lots more people because a LOT more catch it than have caught COVID-19 thus far. But COVID-19 has a higher fatality rate; so unless enough people are careful enough (there are pigs that never wash hands unless they're covered in grease or the like), it could spread enough to cause quite a few. Once there's a vaccine, and assuming it doesn't mutate as much as flu, I think things will be back to normal. But although a preliminary version might be created soon, with testing etc it's likely to be a year or more before it's widely available. So people will have to get used to being careful - and err on the side of self-quarantine if they have symptoms, even mild ones.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Mar 11, 2020 6:45:02 GMT -5
Doctors I'm listening to,including 2 in my own family, say this virus adheres to and is transmitted from hard surfaces, not through the air and that masks of any kind are a waste of money and effort. We have a family friend who's kind of a shyster who bought 2000 masks at wholesale a month ago for pennies per mask. Sold out earlier this week at $10.00 a mask. Trying to get more to sell panicky suckers. So far, the best and only effective advise to avoid getting this stuff is to wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands after being in public. The whole situation is becoming ludicrous. My niece told us that she found Costco was totally sold out of toilet paper when she went yesterday afternoon. People are hoarding anticipating being quarantined. Since our gov just declared a state of emergency .... based on discovery of (2) confirmed cases in a geographically huge state with a population of 10 million ... I'm sure panic buying is on its way to your nearest supermarket. What does it say about our society that so many can lose their minds over a bug that has killed only a teeny fraction of the world's population so far, when identified and treatable flu strains that many of us are annually vaccinated against have already killed tens of thousands year to date. The following are just the figures from Italy announced recently, where Italy has the highest death rate in Europe so far by the virus: The highest number of victims in a day so far In the meantime, the number of fatalities caused by the coronavirus rose sharply again - to 631 by last night. At 168, the highest number of deaths in a day was registered.
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Post by jcas on Mar 11, 2020 7:45:20 GMT -5
Well, if I'm blessed enough to survive this virus, my love of, appreciation for and thankfulness for access to toilet paper, particularly the Charmin brand, will dramatically increase because of it ... and especially if the hoarders deprive me of it. But, an early Spring looks like its already sprung here in MI, and with it the arrival of much warmer weather (60F today) which normally portends the end of flu season. But if I was going to be infected with this thing, I wouldn't want to be in any other country than the good old USA. I traveled the world for a whole lot of years for a living. I know for a fact our health care system is the best, bar none, in the entire world. I was under its care much of last year for some serious stuff. Totally impressed with it and thankful for the quality of care that literally saved my life. To citizens in China, Italy, even Canada and the UK and too many other countries due their 100% govt. controlled health delivery systems ... I can only say ... God help and have mercy on you if you're infected with this thing.
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Post by geb on Mar 11, 2020 13:16:28 GMT -5
www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/influenza-(seasonal)This is the fact sheet from the World Health Organization on the flu. "illnesses range from mild to severe and even death. Hospitalization and death occur mainly among high risk groups. Worldwide, these annual epidemics are estimated to result in about 3 to 5 million cases of severe illness, and about 290 000 to 650 000 respiratory deaths." Note that is the best case, the mortality rate is 9.67% with a worse case of 21.67%. At this point in time, as is indicated in the China statistics, the COVID-19 coronvirus may not be as deadly as the common flu virus. This newer variety of coronavirus will spread and until humans gain antibody immunities will cause pain and suffering. But it will pass over time as did the Spanish flu, which infected in 1918 27% of the world's population and killed at least 17 million with some saying 100 million died. The COVID-19 coronavirus is not even close to the Spanish flu virus.
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Post by rickolsen on Sept 6, 2020 20:45:13 GMT -5
Somebody started shooting off fireworks and it started to rain. I was grateful for the rain. I don't like fireworks. They are just too loud
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Post by ghost on Mar 26, 2024 9:08:52 GMT -5
Today is also my birthday as well.
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Post by lawrence on Mar 26, 2024 17:11:37 GMT -5
Today is also my birthday as well. Thank you, and Happy Birthday to you. Only one candle for me to blow out now.
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