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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 1:17:32 GMT -5
AOTS is my favorite, too, of the newer songs. It's just the most Jackie-like of them all. When she first sings the chorus, "Open your eyes and...see" it just tugs at the old heart strings. Also--and I don't mean this to sound condescending--Jackie looks so tiny and cute in the video, in that empty room by herself.
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Post by javier on Oct 30, 2016 2:11:12 GMT -5
My opinion: Stop trying to make Jackie popular with young people. It's likely not going to happen. I can see where they might be disheartened by seeing so many gray-haired folks in the audience and wishing instead to see a lot of young hipsters; but it is what it is. I think by any criteria I would be considered a big fan of Jackie. But I can't picture myself being a fan of Jackie or any singer like her before the age of forty. I enjoy seeing younger people be fans of Jackie, but that is limited for the most part to young people who are in choir, glee, orchestra, etc. The young masses won't be interested until they are older. Besides, there is something to be said for having as one's fan base Baby Boomers, who are the last generation with decent pensions and nest eggs. I totally agree with your opinion, I doubt Jackie will ever be popular among youths. In my opinion, I feel that her future belongs in CC and not in pop. Apocalypse was prove that this pop direction is not one that will propel her career forward. Less than a million views on YouTube is hardly a satisfactory viewership rate. I doubt Jackie actually gained many fans from Apocalypse. She must also never forget that singing pop may cause her to lose some fans. Whatever she does in the next few years, she has to tread carefully.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 9:56:04 GMT -5
Oh, she's not going to forget. In fact, she feels she has to explain herself on TV and at concerts when she sings a pop song. "I'm just playing around with pop. I'm going to stay true to classical crossover". I hate to hear her say such things. It's perfectly fine to sing pop songs. She always has, while still singing songs that are strictly classical. So, if she wants to sing some pop songs, she should just do it and not be contrite about it. Why sow seeds of doubt? When I say Jackie should stop trying for a young demographic, I don't mean stop singing pop songs. Her Baby Boomer fans grew up on pop and rock. None of us are classical purists. Younger people are known for being provincial and downright tribal about their musical preferences. It's always been that way.
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Post by javier on Oct 30, 2016 10:39:00 GMT -5
I am not a classical purist either, the very fact that I am on this forum proves that. While I am fine with her singing songs like apocalypse ( even though I am not a big fan of such songs), I have to say that the one thing that did bring a tinge of irritation to me was Jackie singing Blank Space and judging by some of the comments, I do not seem to be the only one. This sort of pop is not for her and is a turn off to many traditional classical crossover fans. Many Classical Crossover fans are old enough to remember the example of Charlotte Church. If Jackie overdoes it by singing too much of this sort of pop or gives the impression that she is prioritising pop over CC, people may start drawing similarities with Charlotte Church and she may fall into the same trap that Charlotte Church did.
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 30, 2016 17:06:08 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me, but I find it odd that Jackie's first, much ballyhooed, official, recorded foray into the POP world, Apocalypse, is missing from her latest concert's set lists. The song that you are hit with as soon as you arrive at jackieevancho.com/, is somehow not good enough to be part of the latest set lists. Maybe it will be included in subsequent concerts, but I just find it's early omission somewhat strange. It could be because the song had already been used on one of the Got Talent franchises, I think Hungary's( ), so it wasn't truly original/not recorded previously. Maybe they felt misled by Peter Z & don't want to sing his song. That's just pure speculation/WAG, BTW. I could be all wrong about it. I think perhaps you are correct , there is a reason we do not know , there is confusing comments on the song .
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 30, 2016 17:10:53 GMT -5
Oh, she's not going to forget. In fact, she feels she has to explain herself on TV and at concerts when she sings a pop song. "I'm just playing around with pop. I'm going to stay true to classical crossover". I hate to hear her say such things. It's perfectly fine to sing pop songs. She always has, while still singing songs that are strictly classical. So, if she wants to sing some pop songs, she should just do it and not be contrite about it. Why sow seeds of doubt? When I say Jackie should stop trying for a young demographic, I don't mean stop singing pop songs. Her Baby Boomer fans grew up on pop and rock. None of us are classical purists. Younger people are known for being provincial and downright tribal about their musical preferences. It's always been that way. She will in time sing what makes money $$$$$$$ , she is not going to sing for free , what ever is needed and she is not going to sing to over 55 age much longer imo , she watches TV shows an all can change when she becomes the boss , people seem to think she is now but no way is she
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 30, 2016 17:13:20 GMT -5
I am not a classical purist either, the very fact that I am on this forum proves that. While I am fine with her singing songs like apocalypse ( even though I am not a big fan of such songs), I have to say that the one thing that did bring a tinge of irritation to me was Jackie singing Blank Space and judging by some of the comments, I do not seem to be the only one. This sort of pop is not for her and is a turn off to many traditional classical crossover fans. Many Classical Crossover fans are old enough to remember the example of Charlotte Church. If Jackie overdoes it by singing too much of this sort of pop or gives the impression that she is prioritising pop over CC, people may start drawing similarities with Charlotte Church and she may fall into the same trap that Charlotte Church did. Music is not a "trap". Jackie will sing what she enjoys singing. Those that don't like it can listen to someone else. Or, like me they can listen to a wide range of music and genres. There is a lot of talented musicians out there. She will not sing what she wants IF it does not sell , she can't enjoy it if no ones in the seats
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Post by Beachguy on Oct 31, 2016 7:38:23 GMT -5
My opinion: Stop trying to make Jackie popular with young people. It's likely not going to happen. I can see where they might be disheartened by seeing so many gray-haired folks in the audience and wishing instead to see a lot of young hipsters; but it is what it is. I think by any criteria I would be considered a big fan of Jackie. But I can't picture myself being a fan of Jackie or any singer like her before the age of forty. I enjoy seeing younger people be fans of Jackie, but that is limited for the most part to young people who are in choir, glee, orchestra, etc. The young masses won't be interested until they are older. Besides, there is something to be said for having as one's fan base Baby Boomers, who are the last generation with decent pensions and nest eggs. I totally agree with your opinion, I doubt Jackie will ever be popular among youths. In my opinion, I feel that her future belongs in CC and not in pop. Apocalypse was prove that this pop direction is not one that will propel her career forward. Less than a million views on YouTube is hardly a satisfactory viewership rate. I doubt Jackie actually gained many fans from Apocalypse. She must also never forget that singing pop may cause her to lose some fans. Whatever she does in the next few years, she has to tread carefully. She will lose some no matter what she sings , even been sister to Juliet will cost lots of so called fans an money , she will an can be popular with the youth if she wants to be a Lady ga-ga which she likes so much , her Go Time is a example of teen music which I think is delightful over dull older classical for her age now , she is getting small concert numbers with the grey hair fans now so she perhaps must go youth music
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Post by javier on Oct 31, 2016 8:44:42 GMT -5
There are several factors that can explain declining concert turnouts including the lack of publicity, the Juliet factor, or the fact that people may have simply forgotten about her given her part-time performer status. The question is whether going pop will gain her that young fan base that she may yearn for. Figures and statistics of her dabbling into pop paints a slightly bleak picture in that respect.In addition, I have a feeling that youths that listen to pop are too caught up in the likes of Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus to bother about Jackie. Take Safe and Sound for example. Despite Jackie singing it flawlessly and much more beautifully than Taylor Swift, she did not gain much traction at all. Youths who listen to pop want to stay in their comfort zone and things such as a singer who does not require autotune are the last things on their mind. Additionally, given Jackie's status as a classical crossover performer, pop listeners are likely to use it as a method to ridicule her.
There is an increasing trend of people listening to classical music and these are the people that she should try to attract and given her established reputation in CC, all she probably needs is more publicity to do so.
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Post by pgantioch on Nov 1, 2016 21:08:00 GMT -5
"Pop" music can include a lot of variety. If Jackie goes to college at a place like NYU, she can be exposed to a LOT more music than she's exposed to now. This can only help her artistic development in the long run.
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Post by bgstar on Nov 2, 2016 14:00:11 GMT -5
"Pop" music can include a lot of variety. If Jackie goes to college at a place like NYU, she can be exposed to a LOT more music than she's exposed to now. This can only help her artistic development in the long run. You could be right, but I personally believe she would be better off going to Carnegie Mellon School of Drama. Not only is it in her backyard, it is also one of the best for musical theater. I really believe she is destined for the stage and musicals. NYU is a great school and should she go there, it might be a way to escape to freedom from family and gain some sort of independence, but she needs to choose wisely what her studies will be and what can those studies will do for her career.
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Post by pgantioch on Nov 3, 2016 1:24:21 GMT -5
"Pop" music can include a lot of variety. If Jackie goes to college at a place like NYU, she can be exposed to a LOT more music than she's exposed to now. This can only help her artistic development in the long run. You could be right, but I personally believe she would be better off going to Carnegie Mellon School of Drama. Not only is it in her backyard, it is also one of the best for musical theater. I really believe she is destined for the stage and musicals. NYU is a great school and should she go there, it might be a way to escape to freedom from family and gain some sort of independence, but she needs to choose wisely what her studies will be and what can those studies will do for her career. Yes, you could be right that she's headed for musical theater. Or maybe not. But if she is, Manhattan & London are pretty much the places to be. Going to an arts/music-oriented school (Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh, Juilliard in NYC, Berklee in Boston, etc, etc) might be best for her artistic development, but she seems to want to get a more general education. NYU might be better for that. Of course my bias is to get her away from home for a few years. That helps in a lot of ways. She's been supporting a family of 6 since age 10. Is that reasonable?
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