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Post by lawrence on Oct 7, 2023 10:04:13 GMT -5
Performed live at Nashville’s The Bowery Vault with Greg Camp on guitar. The Bowery Vault in East Nashville. www.yelp.com/biz/the-bowery-vault-nashville"This is THE most intimate venue to see an artist in Nashville. The Bowery Vault has an incredible tap into what makes Nashvilles music scene so extraordinarily interesting. Vero and Emily (the owners) are an incredible team who have successfully cultivated a unique and standout environment. The live music scene in east Nashville might not be what it once was pre pandemic, but the Bowery Vault is on the front end of a revitalization..."
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Post by lawrence on Nov 26, 2023 11:47:10 GMT -5
TikTok shorts by others using Behind My Eyes (discovered while searching the song)
https://www.tiktok.com/@shootabeans/video/7282508125767208238
https://www.tiktok.com/@fesch6/video/7295998160873245957
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Post by lawrence on Nov 28, 2023 14:02:56 GMT -5
TikTok shorts by others using Behind My Eyes (discovered while searching the song) https://www.tiktok.com/@shootabeans/video/7282508125767208238 https://www.tiktok.com/@fesch6/video/7295998160873245957 Young people are relating to Jackie's song in their own personal ways, as Jackie had hoped. Another TikTok short: https://www.tiktok.com/@abeniout/video/7296615294770892075
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Post by lawrence on Nov 29, 2023 13:23:26 GMT -5
TikTok shorts by others using Behind My Eyes (discovered while searching the song) https://www.tiktok.com/@shootabeans/video/7282508125767208238 https://www.tiktok.com/@fesch6/video/7295998160873245957 Young people are relating to Jackie's song in their own personal ways, as Jackie had hoped. Another TikTok short: https://www.tiktok.com/@abeniout/video/7296615294770892075 More TikTok shorts using Behind My Eyes https://www.tiktok.com/@yumekacake/video/7296531258534923525 https://www.tiktok.com/@patrickspinknub/video/7296293302146567466 https://www.tiktok.com/@stawkeye/video/7279097755409173766
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Post by lawrence on Nov 30, 2023 16:02:31 GMT -5
Young people are relating to Jackie's song in their own personal ways, as Jackie had hoped. Another TikTok short: https://www.tiktok.com/@abeniout/video/7296615294770892075 More TikTok shorts using Behind My Eyes https://www.tiktok.com/@yumekacake/video/7296531258534923525 https://www.tiktok.com/@patrickspinknub/video/7296293302146567466 https://www.tiktok.com/@stawkeye/video/7279097755409173766 A TikTok short about Jackie and Behind My Eyes. https://www.tiktok.com/@themaskedmortal/video/7282148799684955435
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Post by tunemonger on Dec 3, 2023 14:06:01 GMT -5
I'm curious if this song is doing well or not. I think we've all seen the post Jackie made where she is "over the moon" about her statistics on Spotify. That sounds great, but after two months on youtube, the song has yet to accumulate 100,000 hits. This would indicate to me the song isn't doing well. I admit I am old and do not have a good picture of the commercial music business. But I think youtube is still a major barometer, is that wrong? It's a good song IMHO and deserves more than a paltry 100K hits.
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Post by geb on Dec 4, 2023 4:00:52 GMT -5
I'm curious if this song is doing well or not. I think we've all seen the post Jackie made where she is "over the moon" about her statistics on Spotify. That sounds great, but after two months on youtube, the song has yet to accumulate 100,000 hits. This would indicate to me the song isn't doing well. I admit I am old and do not have a good picture of the commercial music business. But I think youtube is still a major barometer, is that wrong? It's a good song IMHO and deserves more than a paltry 100K hits. In short, not that well. The three YouTube videos were released on 9/7, 9/8, and 10/6. In a smidge less than 3 months they have a total of a smidge over 150,000 views. That equals about $750 in royalty payments. Not enough to come close to paying for the production costs alone. However, there are many more revenue streams for a song. We have TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Spotify, Pandora, Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Deezer, Tidal, and other platforms that pay money on varying formulas. We also have mechanical royalties (i.e., payments of physical sales, digital downloads, etc), performance royalties (i.e., payments for live performances, play on radio, etc), and sync licensing fees (i.e., payments if music used in ads, or video games, or movies, etc). Who gets what depends upon the rights one has such as for the songwriter, the master recordings (typically owned by the label), and publishing (again publishers are typically tied with labels). There are multiple companies besides Spotify, YouTube, TikTok, etc, that collect and pay out the royalties based upon what rights you have. Master recordings and publishing are very big dollars. Taylor Swift got very angry when her master recordings that were controlled by the publisher got sold right from under her even though she had made it clear she wanted to buy them. She has now made new master recordings of all her songs that she lost control of as "Taylor's version". I believe I recently saw that roughly half of all Taylor Swift master recording and publishing revenues are now going to "Taylor's version" of the songs. This is costing the people who screwed Taylor tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars. Basically, Taylor is big and powerful enough to crush people that she feels have done her wrong. She is supposedly a billionaire, and has the clout. I have always said that Jackie's Team did her a BIG disservice by not building up her social media into the millions of subscribers/followers. Supposedly her labels did not think it was worth while to do. Well, Lindsey Stirling, a fellow alum of 2010 AGT did not get that memo. Lindsey now has over 13.7M YouTube subscribers (and millions more on other major social media platforms) and routinely plays to sold-out venues that are bigger than those Jackie was performing in 2010 and 2011 during her heyday. Recently Jackie said that she needed to do more on social media and that she needs to learn how to effectively use it. But her Team has put her behind a big eight ball. She is trying as her TikTok account has grown by 1,000 followers recently. But it is still under 10,000 followers and she has less than 50K likes of her postings. Why is this important? Well, as an example, a young artist I know about has 821K followers, 8.5 million likes, 21 postings with 1M or more views (totaling 75.5M views), and only started posting 2 1/2 years ago. Here is the estimated royalty payments just from those 21 TikTok postings: TikTok Estimated Royalties CalculatorPlugging in 75.5 million gets estimated royalties of $226,500. That ain't chicken feed and is $225,750 more than the measly $750 Jackie may get from YouTube. BTW, TikTok is now so important for music distribution it has its own Billboard Top 50 TikTok Chart. Then we have Spotify, that Jackie proudly recently said she so far in 2023 has had 4.5 million streams. What does that mean for royalties? Here is the estimated royalty payments for the 4.5M Spotify streams: Spotify Estimated Royalties CalculatorThat would be $10,710. Not bad. And projecting similar numbers across all the other revenue streams noted above, and one could guess that Jackie could be pulling down $150,000 or more annually plus whatever she makes doing live, and private, performances. However, imagine Jackie having been properly advised beginning in 2010 (when it was her social media YouTube audition that got her onto AGT), and she had millions of subscribers/followers on her social media accounts, and was able to post a TikTok only 4 days ago (like that prior mentioned artist just did), get over 4.7M views (i.e., royalties of $14,100 or more than Jackie got from almost an entire year of Spotify), add almost 20K followers (over double what Jackie has in total), and get 708K more likes (about 660K more from this one post than Jackie has in total for all her posts combined). That is the power Jackie lost out on when her Team did not significantly build her social media presence the last 13 years because they effectively said "not important" when it was social media that got Jackie her big break to go on AGT in the first place. It is what it is, and now Jackie has the tough, tedious, and long-term job of trying to build her social media presence into the millions, that will probably take many years to accomplish, unless she gets fortunate like Oliver Anthony did with Rich Men North Of Richmond that went viral and has in a smidge under 4 months gone over 100M views on one YouTube channel alone (~$500,000), over 122.4M streams on Spotify (~$291,312), he exploded on TikTok to over 2.6M followers, and untold residual effects on other published material.
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Post by tunemonger on Dec 5, 2023 2:05:39 GMT -5
WOW, Geb, that is about a bazillion times more info than I was looking for, but THANK YOU for taking the time to give such a thorough reply. Where did you learn all that? Amazing.
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Post by geb on Dec 5, 2023 5:14:11 GMT -5
WOW, Geb, that is about a bazillion times more info than I was looking for, but THANK YOU for taking the time to give such a thorough reply. Where did you learn all that? Amazing. Do note that the potential royalties that are calculated are ONLY maximums possible. What the real number will be depends upon many, many factors, and can be significantly less than the theoretical maximums.
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Post by msims on Dec 5, 2023 16:55:19 GMT -5
I'm curious if this song is doing well or not. I think we've all seen the post Jackie made where she is "over the moon" about her statistics on Spotify. That sounds great, but after two months on youtube, the song has yet to accumulate 100,000 hits. This would indicate to me the song isn't doing well. I admit I am old and do not have a good picture of the commercial music business. But I think youtube is still a major barometer, is that wrong? It's a good song IMHO and deserves more than a paltry 100K hits. In short, not that well. The three YouTube videos were released on 9/7, 9/8, and 10/6. In a smidge less than 3 months they have a total of a smidge over 150,000 views. That equals about $750 in royalty payments. Not enough to come close to paying for the production costs alone. However, there are many more revenue streams for a song. We have TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Spotify, Pandora, Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Deezer, Tidal, and other platforms that pay money on varying formulas. We also have mechanical royalties (i.e., payments of physical sales, digital downloads, etc), performance royalties (i.e., payments for live performances, play on radio, etc), and sync licensing fees (i.e., payments if music used in ads, or video games, or movies, etc). Who gets what depends upon the rights one has such as for the songwriter, the master recordings (typically owned by the label), and publishing (again publishers are typically tied with labels). There are multiple companies besides Spotify, YouTube, TikTok, etc, that collect and pay out the royalties based upon what rights you have. Master recordings and publishing are very big dollars. Taylor Swift got very angry when her master recordings that were controlled by the publisher got sold right from under her even though she had made it clear she wanted to buy them. She has now made new master recordings of all her songs that she lost control of as "Taylor's version". I believe I recently saw that roughly half of all Taylor Swift master recording and publishing revenues are now going to "Taylor's version" of the songs. This is costing the people who screwed Taylor tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars. Basically, Taylor is big and powerful enough to crush people that she feels have done her wrong. She is supposedly a billionaire, and has the clout. I have always said that Jackie's Team did her a BIG disservice by not building up her social media into the millions of subscribers/followers. Supposedly her labels did not think it was worth while to do. Well, Lindsey Stirling, a fellow alum of 2010 AGT did not get that memo. Lindsey now has over 13.7M YouTube subscribers (and millions more on other major social media platforms) and routinely plays to sold-out venues that are bigger than those Jackie was performing in 2010 and 2011 during her heyday. Recently Jackie said that she needed to do more on social media and that she needs to learn how to effectively use it. But her Team has put her behind a big eight ball. She is trying as her TikTok account has grown by 1,000 followers recently. But it is still under 10,000 followers and she has less than 50K likes of her postings. Why is this important? Well, as an example, a young artist I know about has 821K followers, 8.5 million likes, 21 postings with 1M or more views (totaling 75.5M views), and only started posting 2 1/2 years ago. Here is the estimated royalty payments just from those 21 TikTok postings: TikTok Estimated Royalties CalculatorPlugging in 75.5 million gets estimated royalties of $226,500. That ain't chicken feed and is $225,750 more than the measly $750 Jackie may get from YouTube. BTW, TikTok is now so important for music distribution it has its own Billboard Top 50 TikTok Chart. Then we have Spotify, that Jackie proudly recently said she so far in 2023 has had 4.5 million streams. What does that mean for royalties? Here is the estimated royalty payments for the 4.5M Spotify streams: Spotify Estimated Royalties CalculatorThat would be $10,710. Not bad. And projecting similar numbers across all the other revenue streams noted above, and one could guess that Jackie could be pulling down $150,000 or more annually plus whatever she makes doing live, and private, performances. However, imagine Jackie having been properly advised beginning in 2010 (when it was her social media YouTube audition that got her onto AGT), and she had millions of subscribers/followers on her social media accounts, and was able to post a TikTok only 4 days ago (like that prior mentioned artist just did), get over 4.7M views (i.e., royalties of $14,100 or more than Jackie got from almost an entire year of Spotify), add almost 20K followers (over double what Jackie has in total), and get 708K more likes (about 660K more from this one post than Jackie has in total for all her posts combined). That is the power Jackie lost out on when her Team did not significantly build her social media presence the last 13 years because they effectively said "not important" when it was social media that got Jackie her big break to go on AGT in the first place. It is what it is, and now Jackie has the tough, tedious, and long-term job of trying to build her social media presence into the millions, that will probably take many years to accomplish, unless she gets fortunate like Oliver Anthony did with Rich Men North Of Richmond that went viral and has in a smidge under 4 months gone over 100M views on one YouTube channel alone (~$500,000), over 122.4M streams on Spotify (~$291,312), he exploded on TikTok to over 2.6M followers, and untold residual effects on other published material. Your response to tunemonger, etc was disappointing given you are a long time poster. Jackie is a classical crossover artist and the key word being crossover which could mean expansion to any genre she chooses and popular covers. Classical Crossover in the vocal side became more so adult contemporary in the US thanks to David Foster back in the early 2000's. He produced Bocelli and Groban to massive sales, that gave a path for someone like Jackie. Only the prior year did youtube become something due to Susan Boyle who sold millions. Jackie was given the Subo treatment by Columbia, same marketing to an older upper demo who mainly use facebook (which explains why she has 800k followers on facebook and fewer elsewhere). In 2010 on AGT, the judges were told they could not tweet during the shows, that only changed in 2011. Her AGT finale is still the highest rated episode in AGT history. She is going to tour with Michael Grimm in 2024. So despite having less than 10,000 followers on twitter: in six weeks OHN sold ONE million copies. Jackie is one of the few or so females that came from a reality show as a contestant to sell one million copies, its mainly men who have. In 2010 albums sales were already declining so it wasnt like everyone was doing a million here or there either unless you were a top seller. In order for there to have been more of a social media push as you described, at 10/11/12 she would have had to herself have spent a lot of time on social media. The problem with that is her Parents didn't want that. To see yourself praised and deal with those who had bad intentions would not have been very good for a child so wisely her Mother managed her twitter. To ask anything more would not make sense. Btw of course one has to adapt to changes in the music business. Only when Jackie had to use social media do I think she started to use it more but I don't think Jackie had the interest in the teenage years and she was touring alot. Classical Crossover is not the path to getting millions of social media followers though except for LS but there are outliers and Jackie is one as well. 3 million units plus and little of that was as a result of social media, it was the result of TV and touring. However one would be projecting narcissism that Jackie should be very concerned about her social media number counts, her bank accounts, etc when shes already been tremendously successful and much more so than those up and comers who I don't think make for fair comparisons. An artist should be focused on his or her music and making herself happy and that would involve writing, recording, touring, and spending time with family and friends. Social Media has damaged alot of young women and competition isn't healthy for everyone.
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Post by geb on Dec 6, 2023 6:08:20 GMT -5
... However, imagine Jackie having been properly advised beginning in 2010 (when it was her social media YouTube audition that got her onto AGT), and she had millions of subscribers/followers on her social media accounts, and was able to post a TikTok only 4 days ago (like that prior mentioned artist just did), get over 4.7M views (i.e., royalties of $14,100 or more than Jackie got from almost an entire year of Spotify), add almost 20K followers (over double what Jackie has in total), and get 708K more likes (about 660K more from this one post than Jackie has in total for all her posts combined). That is the power Jackie lost out on when her Team did not significantly build her social media presence the last 13 years because they effectively said "not important" when it was social media that got Jackie her big break to go on AGT in the first place. ... Your response to tunemonger, etc was disappointing given you are a long time poster. Jackie is a classical crossover artist and the key word being crossover which could mean expansion to any genre she chooses and popular covers. Classical Crossover in the vocal side became more so adult contemporary in the US thanks to David Foster back in the early 2000's. He produced Bocelli and Groban to massive sales, that gave a path for someone like Jackie. Only the prior year did youtube become something due to Susan Boyle who sold millions. Jackie was given the Subo treatment by Columbia, same marketing to an older upper demo who mainly use facebook (which explains why she has 800k followers on facebook and fewer elsewhere). In 2010 on AGT, the judges were told they could not tweet during the shows, that only changed in 2011. Her AGT finale is still the highest rated episode in AGT history. She is going to tour with Michael Grimm in 2024. So despite having less than 10,000 followers on twitter: in six weeks OHN sold ONE million copies. Jackie is one of the few or so females that came from a reality show as a contestant to sell one million copies, its mainly men who have. In 2010 albums sales were already declining so it wasnt like everyone was doing a million here or there either unless you were a top seller. In order for there to have been more of a social media push as you described, at 10/11/12 she would have had to herself have spent a lot of time on social media. The problem with that is her Parents didn't want that. To see yourself praised and deal with those who had bad intentions would not have been very good for a child so wisely her Mother managed her twitter. To ask anything more would not make sense. Btw of course one has to adapt to changes in the music business. Only when Jackie had to use social media do I think she started to use it more but I don't think Jackie had the interest in the teenage years and she was touring alot. Classical Crossover is not the path to getting millions of social media followers though except for LS but there are outliers and Jackie is one as well. 3 million units plus and little of that was as a result of social media, it was the result of TV and touring. However one would be projecting narcissism that Jackie should be very concerned about her social media number counts, her bank accounts, etc when shes already been tremendously successful and much more so than those up and comers who I don't think make for fair comparisons. An artist should be focused on his or her music and making herself happy and that would involve writing, recording, touring, and spending time with family and friends. Social Media has damaged alot of young women and competition isn't healthy for everyone. msims, you are also a long time poster going way back to Amazon and private postings where Lisa would respond when she was also directly involved with Jackie. And I have also been one of the posters who always wanted a far greater social media presence for Jackie going back to 2010. I and others were constantly unhappy with Jackie's Team constantly giving people a difficult time when they were posting materials on YouTube and other platforms. Some say it was Sony. And Jackie was locked into Sony by contract until she had done 5 albums, if I remember correctly. So I am surprised you do not remember that. The 3 million in sales you are relating primarily occurred during the early part of Jackie's career. From 2010 to October 2012 she had domestic album sales of about 2.1 million. By 2015, the sales had gotten to 3 million plus and has not budged that much beyond this since. That is EIGHT years ago. A lifetime in the music business. Other artists also had the same issue of physical album sales declining. However, digital sales were increasing. And digital sales have a strong tie-in with social media presence. Social media presence may have helped Jackie with the issue of having an older, declining in size fanbase. And never said that Jackie had to do the social media by herself. And one would think that if a criticizing or troll posting showed up, we have a teaching moment. And Jackie already said that kids in her school were giving her a hard time. Yes, one wants to shelter one's children, but sometimes explaining reality leaves them better off. And, I believe, one can delete these. It was influential members of her Team that dropped the ball. Of course one would not want a 10 to say, 13 year old spending a lot of time on social media. However, in my opinion, there was no excuse for her Team to not spend a relatively little amount of time on building up her social media accounts. And Jackie could have done some overseen postings when 14 or so years old. Zilch excuse, in my opinion, for not doing any postings surrounding the concerts. I remember lots of people complaining about how Jackie was not interacting with her fans on social media. I lay the blame for that on some influential members of her Team. I know not whom these people were, but not doing much of anything was a BIG mistake, in my opinion. And it is hard to argue against this given the state her past Team (at least some unknown influential members of it) has left her career. Jackie has stated that she knows she has to build up her social media accounts. It is unfortunate that she has to spend years fixing the mistakes made in the past by some unknown influential members of her past Team. And being boxed-in as an "opera" singer did not help. She was always trying to counter this tag. However, in my opinion, a strong social media presence would have helped, especially if she started to do more popular song covers and published simple videos of these. Unfortunately, as we now know through Jackie, this was not going to happen for Jackie because of the certain type of image that some influential people on Jackie's Team apparently were pushing on her. She recently finally said enough is enough, created, in my opinion, a great song in Get Out Of My Life, dresses comfortably, and is now not afraid to post not polished materials on social media. In the past, some members of her Team probably would have tried to block stuff that she routinely posts now because, from their viewpoint, it did not fit a desired image for Jackie they wanted projected. As for Classical Crossover genre being a problem for building a younger fanbase, I say baloney to that. If the material presented is entertaining, I have seen tons of my 26-year old daughter's friends like music across a broad spectrum of music genres. I have also seen hundreds upon hundreds of YouTube music reactors do reactions across many different genres. Opera singers routinely react to pop, rock, country, you name it, music. Social media is a way to connect with people across demographics. And to this day, I will always say that some influential people on Jackie's Team did her a big disservice by not building up her social media across multiple platforms into the millions. And it was absolutely possible for Jackie to have built a gigantic social media presence while touring. That is a ridiculous reason, in my opinion, to propose. If it was so tough to build one's social media presence while touring, please explain how other artists managed to do it while they were touring far more than Jackie was touring? For one thing, these artists did not always try to put out fancy music videos that do take time and money to produce. Many also supported fan created videos. There are videos of backstage performances. And so on. These are not expensive to create, nor require a lot of time to do. And fans love this type of interaction, especially behind the scenes and backstage videos. It makes the fans be more of a part of the artist's life. And this is not any private stuff that infringes on the artist's privacy. From what I could tell, Jackie was trying to build a younger demographic fanbase. Multiple video covers of popular songs such as All of The Stars, Safe & Sound, Blank Space in 2015 and Writing's on the Wall, Coming Home, Pt. II, Apocalypse (that was written for her) in 2016. However, without a big social media presence, it was tough for Jackie to get the word out to demographics outside of her existing fanbase. And The Masked Singer showed that Jackie could have been big with the younger demographic crowd. All the songs she sung were pop songs. If she had had a big social media presence, all kinds of possibilities existed to take advantage of the success of Kitty on the show. By then in late 2019 and early 2020, Jackie's social media should have been in the many millions across multiple platforms if it had been properly done and as witnessed by many other artists being able to get to these sizes over a similar time that Jackie had available to her from 2010 forward. Just like I have said constantly from 2010, Jackie needed to build her social media presence across multiple platforms. You always seem to say it could not be done because of this or that and that Jackie was one of the most successful AGT contestants, and she was touring, and she was doing this or that and thus could not do it. I have already provided many others who somehow managed to build a gigantic social media presence across multiple platforms while touring more than Jackie, and while also doing many other projects. The prime example from Jackie's time at 2010 AGT would be Lindsey Stirling. She has over 13.7 million YouTube subscribers, has over 4.4 million TikTok followers, has over 2.8 million Instagram followers, has over 4 million Facebook followers, over 475K Twitter/X followers, and so on. Lindsey has been nominated and won multiple prestigious awards. Lindsey has had 6 studio albums, 1 live album, and 1 video album. Her first album in 2012 was self-released as an Independent and still got 200,000 sales in the US plus got certified Gold in Germany (over 100,000 sales), Austria, and Switzerland. I believe Jackie's only non-US certification is for Canada. Lindsey then had successful concert tours in the US, Europe, Asia, Russia and was signed to Lady Gaga's management firm, Atom Factory, and reissued her debut album through Universal Music. Her Crystallize music video has been viewed more than 274 million times. In 2014 Lindsey released the Shatter Me music video with Lzzy Hale that has over 142 million views. I believe, if you were to add up all the views of all the music videos Jackie has ever made you still would not reach 100 million views. In 2014 and early 2015 Lindsey did a massive world tour across North America, through Europe, and into Oceania. In 2015 Lindsey published an autobiography. In 2016, she released a new album, Brave Enough, that debuted atop both the Billboard Classical and Dance/Electronic charts. So much for Jackie being handicapped by Classical Crossover where Jackie's albums were under the Billboard Classical chart. In 2017 to the present, Lindsey continues to produce albums, singles, music videos. In 2023, Lindsey toured the US and Europe, and is now in the middle of a holiday season Snow Waltz Tour in the US (did Stateline, Lincoln, Fresno, Bakersfield, Valley Center, Tucson, Las Vegas, Ranch Mirage, El Paso, Rio Rancho, Colorado Springs, Topeka, Cedar Rapids, Fort Wayne, Grand Rapids, and still to do Bloomington, Louisville, Cherokee, Reading, Buffalo, Syracuse, Providence, Atlantic City, Chicago) and in Europe (London, Paris, Brussels, Utrecht, Berlin). Most, if not all, of these venues are bigger than the venues Jackie performed in during her 2010 to 2012 heyday. Many are sold-out. That is 29 dates in about 45 days, or more dates than Jackie ever did in any entire year. Yet Lindsey somehow finds the time to do MULTIPLE posts to her social media accounts that includes videos of her, backstage videos, videos of her crew, bus videos, and much more. This sort of blows out of the water the excuse that Jackie supposedly could not do social media posts while Jackie was touring. Lindsey (and many, many other artists also do this) manages to do it. I guess some on Jackie's Team, the ones who felt that social media was essentially useless and more or less a waste of time, felt that it would be too "crushing" a burden to spend a few minutes posting a few tidbits for her fans when Jackie was touring. You already know what I thought, and think, about that. Now, I know not by what measure one is using, but it seems to me that Lindsey has, and is doing quite well. The consensus supposed net worth of Lindsey generally ranges from $12 to $20 million. Jackie is generally in the $3 to $4 million range. Obviously we do not know what the real numbers are, but based upon the brief overview of Lindsey's career since 2010 given above, and what we know has so far happened for Jackie's career from 2010, those numbers may not be off that much. And while people on Jackie's Team were dissing social media, Lindsey was embracing it. And while Jackie's fanbase kept shrinking and she was performing to smaller and smaller crowds, Lindsey was vastly growing her fanbase and performing to bigger and bigger crowds. Fortunately, Jackie appears to not be under the thumbs of a Neanderthal laden Team anymore. Jackie has stated that she recognizes the importance of building up her social media presence, and that she was a neophyte for effectively doing social media, but will learn. And we are starting to see results as her TikTok account has now passed 10,000 followers, adding 1,500 or so followers in the past few weeks. Unfortunately, unless Jackie gets fortunate and has a hit song, it will take years of diligent efforts to build up her social media accounts towards the levels they should have already been at, if her Neanderthal laden Team had been doing their job properly since 2010. But, as I said, it is what it is, and Jackie appears to recognize this problem, and is going about correcting the unfortunate mistakes made in the past. I have little doubt that she will succeed, as she appears to be a fighter, determined to not only produce her own music, but to build back a bigger fanbase who can enjoy what she now creates.
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Post by jcas on Dec 6, 2023 9:42:34 GMT -5
Jackie in terms of the business she's in is a good girl trying to project to a market that prefers their entertainers to be bad girls or boys. Some months ago she posted a photo to her Instagram account dressed in a ridiculous, gangsta-moll style getup titled: "Feeling good", "It's a vibe." My comment: "Is that caricature? I certainly hope so." She replied: "No, that's the real me.".
Hmmm. I don't think so; and that's a problem for her. I'm pretty sure, potential fans don't either no matter how slutty she dresses or tries to act like on her social media accounts. They're not buying it because most of her social media posts project and oxymoronically portray just the opposite. That is, a very nice young woman devoted to her family and all the mostly good things they contribute to her life. She's also the proverbial straight A student complaining bitterly about the A- some teacher gave her on her last paper ... unfortunately in front of her classmates who feel lucky to achieve a C+ on theirs. The most recent songs she's written/composed and performed, while reflecting her exceptional intelligence and an innate talent for song writing are too esoterically bitter, and borderline morose to appeal to the same kind of fan that will beg their parent to buy a $1k ticket to see Taylor Swift ... and get one.
I became a fan because I knew I was listening to the most purely beautiful, soul connecting, untrained voice of a singer of any age or genre I'd ever heard in all my music loving years. An extradinarly gifted young person singing some of the most timelessly beautiful songs ever written/composed. In my opinion, she remains peerless from her Dream With Me years to those of her last best album, Debut. Sad to me, is that based on her recent interviews and song lyrics, she doesn't agree with me or the thousands of her old fans like me, who do. Beyond Debut, I'm struggling to enjoy what I'm hearing from her .... and losing. I'm hoping what she's up to these days is the exploratory phase and learning curve that most 23 years olds must experience in order to find the path that leads to success and achievement.
I think it would be an extremely interesting experiment if, let's say, Taylor Swift or some other outrageously popular female singer performed a cover of one or more of the songs Jackie's most recently written/composed to see what their fan base reaction would be.
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Post by lawrence on Dec 6, 2023 11:53:52 GMT -5
Jackie in terms of the business she's in is a good girl trying to project to a market that prefers their entertainers to be bad girls or boys. Some months ago she posted a photo to her Instagram account dressed in a ridiculous, gangsta-moll style getup titled: "Feeling good", "It's a vibe." My comment: "Is that caricature? I certainly hope so." She replied: "No, that's the real me.". Hmmm. I don't think so; and that's a problem for her. I'm pretty sure, potential fans don't either no matter how slutty she dresses or tries to act like on her social media accounts. They're not buying it because most of her social media posts project and oxymoronically portray just the opposite. It's a problem for YOU, apparently, which you are projecting upon "potential fans' whom you know nothing about. It was a playful fashion shoot 6 months ago. She may have misunderstood your meaning....that you weren't sure it was really her in the costume (a caricature). Anyway, "Feeling good" was the Michael Bube soundtrack playing in the background to which she captioned, "It's a vibe" I expect you also dislike her photo shoots for Harper's Bazaar and New York Post along with other photos of her so-called "slutty" attire. This seems a characteristic response from her intolerant older fans to whom she has been trying to show that she is not the innocent angelic princess they want her to be. jackieevanchofans.proboards.com/post/45391I became a fan because I knew I was listening to the most purely beautiful, soul connecting, untrained voice of a singer of any age or genre I'd ever heard in all my music loving years. An extradinarly gifted young person singing some of the most timelessly beautiful songs ever written/composed. In my opinion, she remains peerless from her Dream With Me years to those of her last best album, Debut. Sad to me, is that based on her recent interviews and song lyrics, she doesn't agree with me or the thousands of her old fans like me, who do. Beyond Debut, I'm struggling to enjoy what I'm hearing from her .... and losing. I'm hoping what she's up to these days is the exploratory phase and learning curve that most 23 years olds must experience in order to find the path that leads to success and achievement. Again, you are projecting your perspective upon "thousands of her older fans". Put simply, it's apparent you haven't been paying attention to understand what her music is really about or why she has written it. It's very personal and not intended to showcase her vocal prowess. Her fans on social media and YouTube understand and encourage her songwriting. Read the comments on Behind My Eyes Live and Consequences live. Here's what she's up to these days.
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Post by tunemonger on Dec 6, 2023 21:54:38 GMT -5
I have a simpler theory. Jackie was an otherworldly phenomenon, a gifted "opera singer" at age ten. The older she got, the less otherworldly she was, and people gradually tuned out. As an adult, the average person says about Jackie, "what's the big deal, there are lots of grown-ass opera singers." Don't get me wrong, I think she's a generational voice. But I suspect that no amount of social media planning could have prevented the decline in sales.
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Post by geb on Dec 6, 2023 23:10:52 GMT -5
As I have said what seems to be innumerable times, part of this present day image issue for some fans is the image branding at least some of her unknown influential Team members wanted to project.
These unknown influencers also appeared to block what I have seen to be good policies for the building of a big social media fanbase, that would end up being across many demographics.
As a result, multiple things occurred.
Jackie, unfortunately became anorexic starting, as she related, around the age of 15. She appeared to have been led to believe that she had to maintain some sort of brand image or else problems would occur. And Jackie being an admitted perfectionist (as I am), started having unrealistic beliefs about her body, and probably how it would negatively affect her career, and then became anorexic. The consequences of this has been physically damaging to her as she related that she discovered after her car accident that she had that caused a broken back, that she had the bones of an 80-year old rather than those of a healthy twentysomething. She also suffered psychologically as she also has said she was seeing a therapist.
And also by not allowing the building of a big social media fanbase, that would have a broad, diverse background and age demographic, when things inevitably occurred that upset/angered parts of her existing fanbase, it started to shrink.
There was, in my opinion, zilch issues with presenting on Jackie's social media the reality occurring as she was growing up and inevitably changing from that little girl that burst upon the world scene at the ages of 10 and 11. However, for unknown influential Team members this was an issue because their carefully curated brand image may not be able to be maintained.
Obviously I am not saying that truly private things should have been posted. But posting stuff around each concert would have been great. Having Jackie do simple covers of some of the music she said she liked that happened to be quite different than the classical music she had become originally known for. This last thing may have been able to start to bring on board the younger demographic Jackie was trying to court. If Jackie had done on the order of 50 to maybe 100 simple short covers of a variety of music genres she would have given enough material that may have gotten other people interested in her.
Well, as the saying goes, this is all water under the bridge, and it cannot be changed.
And as related in prior postings, Jackie is now making a concerted effort to build-up her social media, especially on the new hot platform, TikTok. As I said, Billboard now has a Top 50 chart for Billboard published music. She just posted about a minute snippet of her performance of Diamonds Are A Girl's Best Friend from this past weekend's concert. Great. This is what I thought should have been being done since 2010 across social media. Her followers are now up another 200 to over 10.2K. Also great. She is slowly making headway.
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