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Post by Julia Trenholm on Dec 3, 2018 13:03:58 GMT -5
Certainly, the Bocelli concerts were arranged by David Foster with his very good friend Andrea Bocelli. Can't remember the Placido Domingo duet. Was that when Jackie was with Masterworks. If so, wasn't that just after Domingo signed to Masterworks and they shared a label, which undoubtedly arranged it? I think both these Italian classical singers have wide experience with young kids singing pop arias and musical theater standards. ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………Not sure what the point of your note is trying to make. David very likely influenced the first duet with Andrea but I would be willing to bet that Jackie in Italy at the CFN Concert was at the request of the concert host - Andrea. With respect to Placido..... I was referring to the Xmas duet recording that the two made. Regardless of whether Placido was signed with Masterworks or not …… they would not be able to dictate to Placido as to who he would record music with. Placido is tooo big to be told what to do if he felt there was some liability singing/recording with Jackie. I would bet that the duet resulted from some chat he likely had with his friend -- Jose Carreras who did a duet with her in Taiwan before Placido. I do agree that Andrea and Placido are known to have worked with talented classical singing children but generally with children that have reached puberty.Both Placido and Jose are Spanish tenors …… Andrea and the late Luciano are Italian tenors.I also would like to mention that Yvie Burnett was not Jackie's vocal teacher, Yvie was a vocal coach hired by AGT to provide coaching and tips to a number of contestants on AGT. She did in fact assist Jackie with tips and limited coaching on getting out of some bad habits but no formal teaching. Trained vocal coaches/teacher seldom get involved doing formal teaching to children until they have reached puberty. Julliard Music school would not consider taking Jackie as a student or for formal lesson training until she was 14. I have also read that many credible vocal coaches/teachers do not get involved with child prodigy vocalists for fear of ruining their development of an advanced instrument and the understanding the prodigy has of their own abilities. Even David Foster said that he had only met a couple of people in his 45 year musical career that had such a musical understanding like Jackie. So it is not difficult to understand the risks a vocal teacher might face with a child prodigy whose musicality might exceed their own. Yvie was vocal COACH for both AGT and BGT contestants at the time. She was not then working as a voice teacher. The idea that top voice teachers were afraid to work with Jackie, I think is just a bit OTT. In the first place, top voice teachers are VERY expensive, as well as selective in who they choose to instruct. But I think it was the money part that deterred Lisa, as well it might. Plus, she certainly was afraid that a experienced teacher would stop Jackie using that artificial muscular control that gave her an adult sound. You can see in recent clips of Janeckova and even a much younger Amira, who are going on with classical training. They will eventually wind up with greater range and volume than Jackie who still has to eat the mic, but when younger never achieved an adult sound, because they weren't attempting it. But to each their own. Their family's financial circumstances were more secure than Jackie's'
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 14:24:32 GMT -5
You can see in recent clips of Janeckova and even a much younger Amira, who are going on with classical training. They will eventually wind up with greater range and volume than Jackie who still has to eat the mic, Why do people still insist upon "projecting" the idea that using a mic (eat the mic...how disdainful is that?) is undesireable and somehow disqualifies one as an accomplished artist and vocalist? Consider Lara Fabian and hundreds of others. The opera purists have always used that excuse as justification to discredit Jackie, regardless that she never aspired to being an opera singer. Every classical singer Jackie has performed with has used a mic for public performances when not displaying their voices in a stage production with their "controlled yelling", as Pavarotti described it. Jackie has a three-octave range which I consider sufficient. And, she projects enough "volume" with that exquisite vocal (bell) tone to give me "chills". Opera just leaves me cold. We're getting off topic here, so I won't disrupt the conversation further concerning Jackie's new album with other thoughts I'D like to project.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 14:49:21 GMT -5
You can see in recent clips of Janeckova and even a much younger Amira, who are going on with classical training. They will eventually wind up with greater range and volume than Jackie who still has to eat the mic, Why do people still insist upon "projecting" the idea that using a mic (eat the mic...how disdainful is that?) is undesireable and somehow disqualifies one as an accomplished artist and vocalist? consider Lara Faubian and hundreds of others. The opera purists have always used that excuse as justification to discredit Jackie, regardless that Jackie never aspired to being an opera singer. Every classical singer Jackie has performed with has used a mic for public performances when not displaying their trained voices in a stage production with their "controlled yelling", as Pavarotti described it. Jackie has a three-octave range which I consider sufficient. And, she projects enough "volume" with that exquisite vocal (bell) tone to give me "chills". Opera just leaves me cold. We're getting off topic here, so I won't disrupt the conversation concerning Jackie's new album with other thoughts I'D like to project. "We're getting off topic here, so I won't disrupt the conversation concerning Jackie's new album with other thoughts I'D like to project." Why because it never stopped you before going off topic some!? I personally don't care what Jackie does with the mic because it works for her and it works for many of the people that listen to her sing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 17:31:18 GMT -5
http://instagr.am/p/BkWCSUFHTer Andre Danek (left) and Sterling Campbell with Jackie at Germano Studios in June. "Campbell rose to international attention in 1986, touring with Cyndi Lauper on her True Colors World Tour. For the next ten years, he played with several notable bands which drew from different genres. In 1987, Campbell joined Duran Duran, and later was hired first as a session player in 1991 by Soul Asylum, playing on half of the tracks on their 1992 release, Grave Dancer's Union including their Grammy Award-winning single, "Runaway Train". Campbell soon replaced Soul Asylum's drummer Grant Young, and played with them from 1995 to 1998. Sterling began recording with David Bowie in 1991 and later joined his band in 1992, touring with him for fourteen years, until the end of his "A Reality Tour", in 2004. Campbell has worked with artists such as David Byrne, The B-52s, Chic, Tina Turner, Grayson Hugh and Gustavo Cerati. In 2007, he reunited with The B-52s and currently tours with the band." -Wikipedia
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 17:40:30 GMT -5
http://instagr.am/p/BkWCSUFHTer Andre Danek (left) and Sterling Campbell with Jackie at Germano Studios in June. "Campbell rose to international attention in 1986, touring with Cyndi Lauper on her True Colors World Tour. For the next ten years, he played with several notable bands which drew from different genres.[3] In 1987, Campbell joined Duran Duran, and later was hired first as a session player in 1991 by Soul Asylum, playing on half of the tracks on their 1992 release, Grave Dancer's Union including their Grammy Award-winning single, "Runaway Train". Campbell soon replaced Soul Asylum's drummer Grant Young, and played with them from 1995 to 1998. Sterling began recording with David Bowie in 1991 and later joined his band in 1992,[3] touring with him for fourteen years,[4] until the end of his "A Reality Tour", in 2004.[3] Campbell has worked with artists such as David Byrne, The B-52s, Chic, Tina Turner, Grayson Hugh and Gustavo Cerati. In 2007, he reunited with The B-52s and currently tours with the band." -Wikipedia Keeping my fingers crossed that this production team can give Jackie's new album a real boost. IMHO she can't afford anymore album flops.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Dec 3, 2018 17:41:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 18:16:54 GMT -5
Yvie was vocal COACH for both AGT and BGT contestants at the time. She was not then working as a voice teacher. The idea that top voice teachers were afraid to work with Jackie, I think is just a bit OTT. In the first place, top voice teachers are VERY expensive, as well as selective in who they choose to instruct. But I think it was the money part that deterred Lisa, as well it might. Plus, she certainly was afraid that a experienced teacher would stop Jackie using that artificial muscular control that gave her an adult sound. You can see in recent clips of Janeckova and even a much younger Amira, who are going on with classical training. They will eventually wind up with greater range and volume than Jackie who still has to eat the mic, but when younger never achieved an adult sound, because they weren't attempting it. But to each their own. Their family's financial circumstances were more secure than Jackie's'-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I agree that Yvie was retained as a coach and not a teacher as both Jackie and Amira were self taught classical vocalists and believe it or not, Amira did not move into Classical Crossover from Opera until March 2018 with the release of her album at that time. The Evancho financial situation may very well have played a part in why Lisa did not pursue services of a vocal teacher; I know nothing of that situation nor have any interest in their personal financial state then or now. However, Lisa did in fact speak with Julliard about Jackie possibly getting some formal training and they turned her down until Jackie was 14 and reached puberty. Julliard stated they couldn't recommend any teacher for private lessons until after puberty for fear of being partially liable for putting Jackie's vocals at risk too soon while they were developing.I listened to another vocal coach/teacher from Sweden comment on Angelica Hale and she stated that the risk of damage and utter confusion to a child prodigy from formal training and being taught how to change the way they sing far exceeds any benefit until their vocals complete prepubescent development. Notwithstanding that I'm not a vocal coach nor teacher, nor am I formally trained, but I do read and listen. Naturally I bow to those that have any of that skill/knowledge set. I do feel the comments regarding Angelica being a child prodigy also apply to Jackie. The big difference between Jackie and Angelica are that Jackie is a self taught Bel Canto vocal style whereas Angelica is a self taught Belter.( Belting (or vocal belting) is a specific technique of singing by which a singer mixes in the proper proportions, their lower and upper resonances; resulting a sound that resembles yelling but is actually a controlled, sustained phonation ).The Belting technique is precisely the reason why Jackie is not a pure pop / rock type singer. She has not trained her vocals in that technique and without that training Jackie's vocals would be at severe risk of being damaged. Look at Tony Bennett. he has always used the Bel Canto technique and I doubt whether anyone has heard him belting. It is probably why his career is one of longevity. I should also mention that Jackie is not interested in an opera career and therefore does not need to be able to sing over top of the orchestra pit and reach the back rows without a mic. All opera singers I've seen performing in concert in videos do so using a mic.....the late Luciano Pavarotti, Placido, D, Jose C, Andrea B, Sumi Jo, for examples. Opera delivered without a mic via a trained opera vocalist is not meant to be beautiful (Bel Canto) it is meant to deliver a story. Arias within an opera tend to be the most beautiful and even more so if performed in concert via a mic. Less vocal strain and less sound of yelling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 19:49:59 GMT -5
Well said gordie,
Jackie is truly unique. No other at her age has shown the versatility she as demonstrated with her albums, spanning several genres with ease since age 10. Her innate interpretative insight and skill have contributed to her natural way of making a cover song "her own", as attested to by many profoundly moved, regardless of genre. And, of course the appeal of her bel canto voice is her special signature. She is one of a kind.
Jackie has chosen to remain flexible with her untrained, innate vocal skill to experiment and explore any type of music she feels compelled to express. She has always shown a diversified interest and reluctance to be "limited' and/or directed, unwilling to resign herself to anything for the sake of popularity. I think artistic expression and integrity hold more value to her than the financial success derived from what may be demanded of her to achieve it. To refer to her album sales as failures, falling short of what would be popular expectation, is to evaluate Jackie not as an artist but as a commodity in comparison with the industry standard of success. Jackie will likely never achieve that, and apparently doesn't aspire to it, or is at least willing to accept she probably won't if she retains her integrity and playful enthusiasm for finding her own niche -eventually.
The new album is not as much a departure from her previous adventures as a new avenue of exploration and discovery, this time into the world of Broadway without committing to it. It should be received as such. "It's something I haven't done before". No surprise.
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Dec 3, 2018 20:32:55 GMT -5
Yvie was vocal COACH for both AGT and BGT contestants at the time. She was not then working as a voice teacher. The idea that top voice teachers were afraid to work with Jackie, I think is just a bit OTT. In the first place, top voice teachers are VERY expensive, as well as selective in who they choose to instruct. But I think it was the money part that deterred Lisa, as well it might. Plus, she certainly was afraid that a experienced teacher would stop Jackie using that artificial muscular control that gave her an adult sound. You can see in recent clips of Janeckova and even a much younger Amira, who are going on with classical training. They will eventually wind up with greater range and volume than Jackie who still has to eat the mic, but when younger never achieved an adult sound, because they weren't attempting it. But to each their own. Their family's financial circumstances were more secure than Jackie's'-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I agree that Yvie was retained as a coach and not a teacher as both Jackie and Amira were self taught classical vocalists and believe it or not, Amira did not move into Classical Crossover from Opera until March 2018 with the release of her album at that time. The Evancho financial situation may very well have played a part in why Lisa did not pursue services of a vocal teacher; I know nothing of that situation nor have any interest in their personal financial state then or now. However, Lisa did in fact speak with Julliard about Jackie possibly getting some formal training and they turned her down until Jackie was 14 and reached puberty. Julliard stated they couldn't recommend any teacher for private lessons until after puberty for fear of being partially liable for putting Jackie's vocals at risk too soon while they were developing.I listened to another vocal coach/teacher from Sweden comment on Angelica Hale and she stated that the risk of damage and utter confusion to a child prodigy from formal training and being taught how to change the way they sing far exceeds any benefit until their vocals complete prepubescent development. Notwithstanding that I'm not a vocal coach nor teacher, nor am I formally trained, but I do read and listen. Naturally I bow to those that have any of that skill/knowledge set. I do feel the comments regarding Angelica being a child prodigy also apply to Jackie. The big difference between Jackie and Angelica are that Jackie is a self taught Bel Canto vocal style whereas Angelica is a self taught Belter.( Belting (or vocal belting) is a specific technique of singing by which a singer mixes in the proper proportions, their lower and upper resonances; resulting a sound that resembles yelling but is actually a controlled, sustained phonation ).The Belting technique is precisely the reason why Jackie is not a pure pop / rock type singer. She has not trained her vocals in that technique and without that training Jackie's vocals would be at severe risk of being damaged. Look at Tony Bennett. he has always used the Bel Canto technique and I doubt whether anyone has heard him belting. It is probably why his career is one of longevity. I should also mention that Jackie is not interested in an opera career and therefore does not need to be able to sing over top of the orchestra pit and reach the back rows without a mic. All opera singers I've seen performing in concert in videos do so using a mic.....the late Luciano Pavarotti, Placido, D, Jose C, Andrea B, Sumi Jo, for examples. Opera delivered without a mic via a trained opera vocalist is not meant to be beautiful (Bel Canto) it is meant to deliver a story. Arias within an opera tend to be the most beautiful and even more so if performed in concert via a mic. Less vocal strain and less sound of yelling. Is it possible for a 10 year old to teach HERSELF the Bel Canto technique? Tony Bennett, for instance, studied it for a year or two at the NY Theater Guild, on the GI Bill, after he got out of the army. I really don't think Jackie learned Bel Canto on her own. In fact, does she even sing in the Bel Canto style. Nobody has mentioned that till now, not even Jackie or Lisa.
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Dec 3, 2018 20:44:33 GMT -5
You can see in recent clips of Janeckova and even a much younger Amira, who are going on with classical training. They will eventually wind up with greater range and volume than Jackie who still has to eat the mic, Why do people still insist upon "projecting" the idea that using a mic (eat the mic...how disdainful is that?) is undesireable and somehow disqualifies one as an accomplished artist and vocalist? Consider Lara Fabian and hundreds of others. The opera purists have always used that excuse as justification to discredit Jackie, regardless that she never aspired to being an opera singer. Every classical singer Jackie has performed with has used a mic for public performances when not displaying their voices in a stage production with their "controlled yelling", as Pavarotti described it. Jackie has a three-octave range which I consider sufficient. And, she projects enough "volume" with that exquisite vocal (bell) tone to give me "chills". Opera just leaves me cold. We're getting off topic here, so I won't disrupt the conversation further concerning Jackie's new album with other thoughts I'D like to project. Lawrence, it's an old expression, referring to singers, of any kind, who have so little volume that they have to hold the mic so close it looks like they are eating it. Generally refers to regular pop singers with tiny voices which, apparently, still describes Jackie. It was used in the discussion of Jackie teaching herself the Bel Canto technique which has nothing to do with pop singers. Tony Bennett has a great and massive voice. Now diminished in his 80's. But he mentioned studying Bel Canto at the Theater Guild to explain how he could still sing so well in very old age.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 21:55:03 GMT -5
Is it possible for a 10 year old to teach HERSELF the Bel Canto technique? Tony Bennett, for instance, studied it for a year or two at the NY Theater Guild, on the GI Bill, after he got out of the army. I really don't think Jackie learned Bel Canto on her own. In fact, does she even sing in the Bel Canto style. Nobody has mentioned that till now, not even Jackie or Lisa.
Jackie's Bel Canto style is self taught and you might ask how did she accomplish this. Jackie's innate musicality is likely the basis for achieving the style. We should pause for a moment and consider what Bel Canto means to each of us as the meaning of Bel Canto has changed numerous times over the past 3 centuries. By understanding what defines musicality might lead us to agree that Jackie's vocal style is best described as modern Bel Canto.
Musicality is "sensitivity to, knowledge of, or talent for music" ..... aptly applies to Jackie, IMO. Musicality is used to refer to qualities in genres of music defined as melodiousness and harmoniousness.......certainly applies to classical and thus Jackie. Two types of musicality include ability to perceive music (musical receptivity) and to be able to reproduce music in addition to creating music (musical creativity). Again this is Jackie..... her prodigy was once described as the ability to mentally perceive music and instantaneously attach a sound of correct pitch to that perception and her creativity is seen by the covers she does of other peoples music. The covers are recognizeable but are not duplicates of the original. She puts in her own interpretation in a manner that seems a proper fit. Many times I have listened to her sing a piece in 3 different live concerts and in each case the version has differences. This really is a matching of her innate creativity to how she mentally perceives the piece at that moment. If one in very simple terms partially defines Bel Canto to literally mean "Beautiful Music then Jackie's musicality enabled her to self teach herself the style so often attached to tenors and sopranoes who have achieved the level of musicality via teaching that Jackie has innately.
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Post by rickolsen on Dec 3, 2018 22:12:10 GMT -5
Jackie hasn't eaten the mic in a long time. She holds it about 6-8 inches from her mouth now. I have seen her live.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 22:44:11 GMT -5
it's an old expression, referring to singers, of any kind, who have so little volume that they have to hold the mic so close it looks like they are eating it. Generally refers to regular pop singers with tiny voices which, apparently, still describes Jackie. Rickolsen said: "Jackie hasn't eaten the mic in a long time. She holds it about 6-8 inches from her mouth now. I have seen her live." Jackie often pulls away from the mic either holding it or while in it's stand when executing powerful high notes, as I've seen in her concert performances. Your suggestion, Julia, that she has to "eat" the mic is unfounded by any consistent example of her performances or recordings. One cannot determine a singer's power or lack of it from how the mic is held. The sound engineer controls mic volume and dynamics either in the studio or on stage. I'm not suggesting that Jackie has a particularly powerful voice, but the assertion that it's "tiny" is just that, an assertion -not a fact. Where is the mic here? Btw, check your computer, power speakers or any other accessory by which you determine a pre-recorded volume. http://instagr.am/p/BNaeXvLjogv
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Post by rob49 on Dec 4, 2018 7:49:23 GMT -5
it's an old expression, referring to singers, of any kind, who have so little volume that they have to hold the mic so close it looks like they are eating it. Generally refers to regular pop singers with tiny voices which, apparently, still describes Jackie. Rickolsen said: "Jackie hasn't eaten the mic in a long time. She holds it about 6-8 inches from her mouth now. I have seen her live." Jackie often pulls away from the mic either holding it or while in it's stand when executing powerful high notes, as I've seen in her concert performance. Your suggestion, Julia, that she has to "eat" the mic is unfounded by any consistent example of her performances or recordings. One cannot determine a singer's power or lack of it from how the mic is held. The sound engineer controls mic volume and dynamics either in the studio or on stage. I'm not suggesting that Jackie has a particularly powerful voice, but the assertion that it's "tiny" is just that, an assertion -not a fact. Where is the mic here? Btw, check your computer, power speakers or any other accessory by which you determine a pre-recorded volume. http://instagr.am/p/BNaeXvLjogv I guess she must have eat it. wink, wink
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