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Post by pgantioch on Nov 23, 2016 11:02:40 GMT -5
I am a diehard Jackie fan. I love Jackie and when she sings with her classical voice she is next to none. The Haunting. In my opinion this song is really bad. After reading the lyrics I have no idea what the song is about. It's slow, boring, and it makes no sense. It's just a bunch of words strung together with no point. If this is her first try at song writing she should have thrown it away and started over. It should have never been recorded. Jackie has no future singing stuff like this. I must in honest agree not because Rick is a admin but because I think the same , it sounds like a Juliet song or thoughts , too dark an deep for a 16 year old an this will not go over well imo with her now fan base or the youth , perhaps a few goth type but Jackie and then Jacob had a dark side on postings over years , I would not release any of songs on a future album but what do I know , let them buy it if fans and hope for new fans on the Album , no free samples "...too dark an[d] deep for a 16 year old..." I'd have to respectfully disagree with you about this one BG. Or rather, I'd just say I'm glad she's exploring this "darker" emotional territory. I was more worried that she'd stay too long with the lighter, optimistic, "dreamy" thoughts that Linda Thompson reworked into the lyrics of the song Dream With Me. Jackie's life experiences may not give her entrée into this darker emotional territory yet, & she may not be good at expressing it, but with time, she may be able to do it convincingly. Over the long run, I'm very encouraged by this turn to the "dark side" (so to speak...).
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Post by bgstar on Nov 23, 2016 11:48:50 GMT -5
I must in honest agree not because Rick is a admin but because I think the same , it sounds like a Juliet song or thoughts , too dark an deep for a 16 year old an this will not go over well imo with her now fan base or the youth , perhaps a few goth type but Jackie and then Jacob had a dark side on postings over years , I would not release any of songs on a future album but what do I know , let them buy it if fans and hope for new fans on the Album , no free samples "...too dark an[d] deep for a 16 year old..." I'd have to respectfully disagree with you about this one BG. Or rather, I'd just say I'm glad she's exploring this "darker" emotional territory. I was more worried that she'd stay too long with the lighter, optimistic, "dreamy" thoughts that Linda Thompson reworked into the lyrics of the song Dream With Me. Jackie's life experiences may not give her entrée into this darker emotional territory yet, & she may not be good at expressing it, but with time, she may be able to do it convincingly. Over the long run, I'm very encouraged by this turn to the "dark side" (so to speak...). I have to agree. There's a song line "Sometimes darkness can show you the light".
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Post by pgantioch on Nov 23, 2016 12:01:13 GMT -5
"...too dark an[d] deep for a 16 year old..." I'd have to respectfully disagree with you about this one BG. Or rather, I'd just say I'm glad she's exploring this "darker" emotional territory. I was more worried that she'd stay too long with the lighter, optimistic, "dreamy" thoughts that Linda Thompson reworked into the lyrics of the song Dream With Me. Jackie's life experiences may not give her entrée into this darker emotional territory yet, & she may not be good at expressing it, but with time, she may be able to do it convincingly. Over the long run, I'm very encouraged by this turn to the "dark side" (so to speak...). I have to agree. There's a song line "Sometimes darkness can show you the light". A long time ago, the Jackie fan Ehkzu came up with the description "darkness wrapped in light" to describe Jackie's singing. Lisa liked it a lot. In some ways, Jackie's always been in touch with difficult, painful parts of life, even though she comes from a relatively happy background. It's said that Christina Aguilera started singing at 6 to drown out her mother's screams when her father came home drunk & beat on her. Jackie hasn't had to endure that kind of thing, but she's aware of difficulties some people face. She sang Concrete Angel on PTAD at age 9, after all.
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Post by Beachguy on Nov 23, 2016 14:44:25 GMT -5
I must in honest agree not because Rick is a admin but because I think the same , it sounds like a Juliet song or thoughts , too dark an deep for a 16 year old an this will not go over well imo with her now fan base or the youth , perhaps a few goth type but Jackie and then Jacob had a dark side on postings over years , I would not release any of songs on a future album but what do I know , let them buy it if fans and hope for new fans on the Album , no free samples "...too dark an[d] deep for a 16 year old..." I'd have to respectfully disagree with you about this one BG. Or rather, I'd just say I'm glad she's exploring this "darker" emotional territory. I was more worried that she'd stay too long with the lighter, optimistic, "dreamy" thoughts that Linda Thompson reworked into the lyrics of the song Dream With Me. Jackie's life experiences may not give her entrée into this darker emotional territory yet, & she may not be good at expressing it, but with time, she may be able to do it convincingly. Over the long run, I'm very encouraged by this turn to the "dark side" (so to speak...). Fine as all are but opinions , she did dress up in dark outfits with blood on face and favorite show Walking Dead years ago so I believe she said she likes the dark , not sure but I believe , btw I am talking about people liking it from a 16 year old , btw # 2 when did she sing lighter songs , not from AGT in fact like ND , perhaps Go Time was the lightest btw#3 , she will have a future career to go dark , now imo it not the time , thanks for reply
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Post by Beachguy on Nov 23, 2016 14:47:01 GMT -5
"...too dark an[d] deep for a 16 year old..." I'd have to respectfully disagree with you about this one BG. Or rather, I'd just say I'm glad she's exploring this "darker" emotional territory. I was more worried that she'd stay too long with the lighter, optimistic, "dreamy" thoughts that Linda Thompson reworked into the lyrics of the song Dream With Me. Jackie's life experiences may not give her entrée into this darker emotional territory yet, & she may not be good at expressing it, but with time, she may be able to do it convincingly. Over the long run, I'm very encouraged by this turn to the "dark side" (so to speak...). I have to agree. There's a song line "Sometimes darkness can show you the light". I will bet bgstar and pgantioch this song will go over well with the public , 6 pack of Bud Light
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Post by jamesn on Nov 23, 2016 14:51:00 GMT -5
I am a diehard Jackie fan. I love Jackie and when she sings with her classical voice she is next to none. The Haunting. In my opinion this song is really bad. After reading the lyrics I have no idea what the song is about. It's slow, boring, and it makes no sense. It's just a bunch of words strung together with no point. If this is her first try at song writing she should have thrown it away and started over. It should have never been recorded. Jackie has no future singing stuff like this. I must in honest agree not because Rick is a admin but because I think the same , it sounds like a Juliet song or thoughts , too dark an deep for a 16 year old an this will not go over well imo with her now fan base or the youth , perhaps a few goth type but Jackie and then Jacob had a dark side on postings over years , I would not release any of songs on a future album but what do I know , let them buy it if fans and hope for new fans on the Album , no free samples Having now listened to it in its entirety, I have to agree with whoever it was who said that it shouldn't be judged from this preview of the sound check. I'll wait until I'm able to hear it in its finished form before deciding if I like it or not.
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Post by Beachguy on Nov 23, 2016 16:19:39 GMT -5
I must in honest agree not because Rick is a admin but because I think the same , it sounds like a Juliet song or thoughts , too dark an deep for a 16 year old an this will not go over well imo with her now fan base or the youth , perhaps a few goth type but Jackie and then Jacob had a dark side on postings over years , I would not release any of songs on a future album but what do I know , let them buy it if fans and hope for new fans on the Album , no free samples Having now listened to it in its entirety, I have to agree with whoever it was who said that it shouldn't be judged from this preview of the sound check. I'll wait until I'm able to hear it in its finished form before deciding if I like it or not. Ok jamesn , thanks for reply , what about the words or content , not the sound ?
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Post by juxtaposer on Nov 24, 2016 23:02:01 GMT -5
I am a diehard Jackie fan. I love Jackie and when she sings with her classical voice she is next to none.The Haunting. In my opinion this song is really bad. After reading the lyrics I have no idea what the song is about. It's slow, boring, and it makes no sense. It's just a bunch of words strung together with no point. If this is her first try at song writing she should have thrown it away and started over. It should have never been recorded. Jackie has no future singing stuff like this. Fully agree. When Jackie sings classical she is on top of the mountain. Night before last Jackie had centre stage in my lounge room (I got to play the de lux Dream With Me for the first time - I'm still buzzing from it). I think Jackie should be fed a constant stream of the most beautiful songs ever written by the best composers, so we can hear them all as though we've never heard them before. But I am also quite happy for her to test her talents in other areas. Youth is the age for testing the boundaries. As for the lyrics, I think they are quite straightforward expressions of emotional uncertainty over an infatuation. She's haunted by the thought that nothing may come of it ("Silence is a dangerous abyss"). This sort of experience speaks to the young. They are definitely beginners lines, but there are elements there to work with and if she continues to apply herself to this she will only improve.
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Post by pgantioch on Nov 24, 2016 23:47:27 GMT -5
juxta, Renée Fleming sang jazz & wrote songs thru most of her teen years. She only decided to become an opera singer when she was around 18. Personally I'd love for Jackie to just follow her heart & sing the music that most moves her. It'd be great to have the best composers write for her, but she may not be well-enough established for that yet. Maybe someday. You're probably right about the lyrics, but to me they're a bit more ambiguous & sinister than that. Agree that she may be testing boundaries now. I've always wondered where she'd head as she grew up. Musical theater always seemed most likely given POTO, but who knows? She could end up in a totally different place like RF. Or she could head for Hollywood. Or she could try to have a pop solo career. Or
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Post by juxtaposer on Nov 25, 2016 0:44:32 GMT -5
"Unfortunately the little girl grew up..." ... my first thought when I saw a Jackie-video was: This is a fake. My second: The Japanese have built a new robot with perfect voice. If this would be true Jackie would stay 10years for decades. So now we know she is a human. And humans grow with phases. The lyrics are all new style like the music. Black and threatening. Now we know that the human Jackie is not only the angel we saw outward. As everybody. May destroy the image someone had from her. But for me all 16-years old have in her development what I call a "black phase" (me including). They wear black clothes, hold back and turn inside, make the impression to be depressive, black thoughts. Thats a normal phase like the pupa state. There can slide a night moth or a wonderful elegant butterfly, who knows? ( I don`t think ist a depressiv reaction to Trump though the lyric let think it). This is for me the look into the soul of a growing person and from a 16-y. I wouldn`t expect others. We old gays may not be able to understand whats going on in a 16-y soul but at my patients I see it often and its normal. The personality is all other than at adult. There wakes up a feeling we call in Germany "Weltschmerz", one cries only cause one is born. Thoughts like in "Reflection", may be the first lost love. My beloved YUI began with songwriting at 16 too and her songs showed black thoughts too, working on her fate, asking "why" and reflecting who to be. The lyrics are mostly not easy to understand, stay unclear, express more a feeling, not a clear sence. More a suggestion like modern poems or traditional japanese poems. All other than we were used. Songs like "To mother", "Rain", Please stay with me", "Tomorrows way" and esp. "Tokyo" show YUI`s development and feelings and made her so special, all other than the normal japanese pop. One such true song I like more than the whole ouvre of others. Let`s not forget that in history of music it was often the pain, lost love ore other strikes of fate that promoted the composers to great works. Expressing bad feelings is necessary to heal them. May be I´m interprating too much into this song but I`ve a little the same feeling as discovering a new artist. The merry girl is gone, we`ll discover a serious adult human. Let`s watch the change. I`m glad to see here true feelings, may be bad feelings. To transfer it into own songs is a new step for her, that`s what makes me joy. And the first composition rarly was the best, I hope to a long line of own songs. In FB Jackie wrote: "...and comment! Would mean the World to me 😍😄". We are at a place of high meaning, like her first singing contest with 7 years. There she showed her voice and looked for consent. Now she shows her first song and looks for reactions. As her first singing was not perfect as it may be here too, who exspect perfection at the first step. What counts is the talent as then as now. As she developed her voice she will grow in songwriting and I see very good disposition. How nervous must she be showing her first song? Like a child that shows his first picture. It needs courage. It`s a fresh seed, we should be happy for this step, not trample on it. If it is grown to a tree you may shake it. You'll have to speak for yourself here, Waldschratt. Statistically, only 3%, or whatever, of us are likely to be old gays. The majority of us would be old something elses.
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Post by waldschratt on Nov 25, 2016 6:26:47 GMT -5
You'll have to speak for yourself here, Waldschratt. Statistically, only 3%, or whatever, of us are likely to be old gays. The majority of us would be old something elses. Ohh, I didn`t want to injure someone, sorry. "Old" was mentioned here as opportiunity to Jackie`s age, over 20. Most users here are this (last forum was a statistik I remember). So I (53) am old from Jackie`s fiew, but I don`t feel old. So I`ll say "adult gays". The rest you agree?
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Post by jrchico on Nov 25, 2016 8:37:35 GMT -5
You'll have to speak for yourself here, Waldschratt. Statistically, only 3%, or whatever, of us are likely to be old gays. The majority of us would be old something elses. Ohh, I didn`t want to injure someone, sorry. "Old" was mentioned here as opportiunity to Jackie`s age, over 20. Most users here are this (last forum was a statistik I remember). So I (53) am old from Jackie`s fiew, but I don`t feel old. So I`ll say "adult gays". The rest you agree? What he is talking about is old gays. That would be old homosecuectules which i doubt are many here. However i could be wrong about that as Jackie's voice appeals to a lot of different people.
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Post by Beachguy on Nov 25, 2016 11:02:17 GMT -5
I don't know if it was there at first, but judging from the several comments asking for lyrics, maybe it wasn't. Anyway, the lyrics are now in the description if you click "more". Also interesting is we hear the sound check, Jackie says the actual performance didn't sound as good! One might argue the wisdom of it, but I am grateful and impressed with her willingness to let us hear a work in progress. I can hardly wait for the studio version, and a more worked-out live version. I was curious how much I would understand, so yesterday I tried to write down the lyrics as good as I could, sometimes when I didn't understand it really then I just wrote down words which sounded similar even when it doesn't make much sense. So here you can now see what a non-native english speaker (and someone not familiar with Pittsburgish at all) could understand from the lyrics (numbers mean syllables which I had no clue what it could be): My guess
6 haunt my mind Sadness is a comfortable surprise I'm sure that there's so much out there to find From now I know these monsters aren't so kind
How can you all so lie in this picture that's paradise It's you keeping me alive
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There's a voice inside my head and it's leaving in my day It haunts you and it's all that I have made Never let them know it's 4 I'm gone It haunts you all I need forget
I know about now it's pointless to resist The voice I hear is sweeter than kiss Silence is a danger I admit So whisper in my ear that you'll me miss
How can you all so lie in this picture that's paradise It's you keeping me alive
CHORUS
I, I cry for you I, I reach for you Why should I cry 2 for you So why can't you cry for you
| Jackie's original lyrics
I know that there are ghosts that haunt my mind And sadness is a comfortable sublime I'm sure that there's so much out there to find For now I know these monsters aren't so kind
How long can we all survive In this pitch-black paradise It's you Keeping me alive
CHORUS
There's a ghost inside my head and it's leaving me for dead The haunting is all that I have left and I'll never let him go It's so dark and beautiful The haunting won't let me forget
I know by now it’s pointless to resist Your voice a bittersweet goodnight kiss Silence is a dangerous abyss So whisper in my ear let's reminisce
How long can we all survive In this pitch-black paradise It's you Keeping me alive
CHORUS
I cry for you I bleed for you Why should I fight cause it's no use Surrender to the night so cruel |
Perhaps Jackie wrote this dark song while watching her Walking Dead show , ""pitch black paradise " " dangerous abyss " '" how long can we survive "" I know these monsters aren't so kind "" imo this will not excite now base nor youth , sounds as a lost boy friend is haunting and holding on to hope fading
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Post by waldschratt on Nov 25, 2016 11:44:34 GMT -5
You'll have to speak for yourself here, Waldschratt. Statistically, only 3%, or whatever, of us are likely to be old gays. The majority of us would be old something elses. Ohh, I didn`t want to injure someone, sorry. "Old" was mentioned here as opportiunity to Jackie`s age, over 20. Most users here are this (last forum was a statistik I remember). So I (53) am old from Jackie`s fiew, but I don`t feel old. So I`ll say "adult gays". The rest you agree? What he is talking about is old gays. That would be old homosecuectules which i doubt are many here. However i could be wrong about that as Jackie's voice appeals to a lot of different people. Ups!! That was the last I wanted to say. My bad english, we are still learning. (Today I learned what "balls" means, we didn`t learn in school). So I correct to "...we adults..." "Guys" was what I mentioned.
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Post by bgstar on Nov 25, 2016 12:22:56 GMT -5
I was curious how much I would understand, so yesterday I tried to write down the lyrics as good as I could, sometimes when I didn't understand it really then I just wrote down words which sounded similar even when it doesn't make much sense. So here you can now see what a non-native english speaker (and someone not familiar with Pittsburgish at all) could understand from the lyrics (numbers mean syllables which I had no clue what it could be): My guess
6 haunt my mind Sadness is a comfortable surprise I'm sure that there's so much out there to find From now I know these monsters aren't so kind
How can you all so lie in this picture that's paradise It's you keeping me alive
CHORUS
There's a voice inside my head and it's leaving in my day It haunts you and it's all that I have made Never let them know it's 4 I'm gone It haunts you all I need forget
I know about now it's pointless to resist The voice I hear is sweeter than kiss Silence is a danger I admit So whisper in my ear that you'll me miss
How can you all so lie in this picture that's paradise It's you keeping me alive
CHORUS
I, I cry for you I, I reach for you Why should I cry 2 for you So why can't you cry for you
| Jackie's original lyrics
I know that there are ghosts that haunt my mind And sadness is a comfortable sublime I'm sure that there's so much out there to find For now I know these monsters aren't so kind
How long can we all survive In this pitch-black paradise It's you Keeping me alive
CHORUS
There's a ghost inside my head and it's leaving me for dead The haunting is all that I have left and I'll never let him go It's so dark and beautiful The haunting won't let me forget
I know by now it’s pointless to resist Your voice a bittersweet goodnight kiss Silence is a dangerous abyss So whisper in my ear let's reminisce
How long can we all survive In this pitch-black paradise It's you Keeping me alive
CHORUS
I cry for you I bleed for you Why should I fight cause it's no use Surrender to the night so cruel |
Perhaps Jackie wrote this dark song while watching her Walking Dead show , ""pitch black paradise " " dangerous abyss " '" how long can we survive "" I know these monsters aren't so kind "" imo this will not excite now base nor youth , sounds as a lost boy friend is haunting and holding on to hope fading I like your theory that Jackie was influenced by the show "Walking Dead". It's very possible it is a combination of the show and Evanescence. Jackie's writing is somewhat similar to Amy Lee's. Although the following song is a faster tempo than Jackie's it does refer to paradise.
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