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Post by lawrence on Jun 8, 2023 11:09:07 GMT -5
Most people were just fans because Jackie was a kid, that's the problem. Jackie also made too many mistakes that a CC artist is not allowed to make. see Charlotte Church. Jackie's voice, emotion and demeanor is no longer that of a child. What do CC fans want, a classic voice like that of Katherine Jenkins. Jackie uses way too much pop technique and chest voice. That's is a another part of the problem. That is the point. The fans who have abandoned Jackie are those who want "classic voices like Katherine Jenkins" and to hear classical songs. Jackie does not have a "classic" voice and never did, because Jackie has never been classically trained. Nevertheless, they bought her albums, Awakening and Two hearts (recorded at age 14 and 16...not a kid), and have attended her CC concerts, apparently until she began singing pop covers and contemporary Broadway songs, and now folk-pop mixed with CC. Jackie's voice is not the problem. The problem is with those who have certain expectation of what she "should" be singing and how she should be singing it. She has too much integrity as an artist to compromise her aspirations and intentions for the sake of those who cannot or will not accept anything but what they demand. So, let them follow Katherine Jenkins and others like her. Those who are not demanding have stuck with her, the loyal fans who appreciate Jackie for the versatile artist she is. What "mistakes" has she made that CC artists are "not allowed to make"?....Charlotte Church abandoned CC for pop. Jackie has not done that, because she still sings CC in her concerts. CC by definition is crossing over from Classical to pop, evidenced by classical singers like Placido Domingo who can't sing pop without sounding like an opera singer, yet that is acceptable to the classical crowd, lol. Jackie is certainly far better at interpreting non-classical songs than classical singers are....because she uses pop techniques and head voice appropriately in her interpretations of pop and other genres. CC fans have now become almost as snobbish as opera fans with regard to their opinion of Jackie's music. Kudos to her for not knuckling under just to gain their favor. As she said, "I HOPE my fans will decide to grow with me...". Obviously she has accepted that many have not and will not grow with her.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2023 13:56:14 GMT -5
Most people were just fans because Jackie was a kid, that's the problem. Jackie also made too many mistakes that a CC artist is not allowed to make. see Charlotte Church. Jackie's voice, emotion and demeanor is no longer that of a child. What do CC fans want, a classic voice like that of Katherine Jenkins. Jackie uses way too much pop technique and chest voice. That's is a another part of the problem. That is the point. The fans who have abandoned Jackie are those who want "classic voices like Katherine Jenkins" and to hear classical songs. Jackie does not have a "classic" voice and never did, because Jackie has never been classically trained. Nevertheless, they bought her albums, Awakening and Two hearts (recorded at age 14 and 16...not a kid), and have attended her CC concerts, apparently until she began singing pop covers and contemporary Broadway songs, and now folk-pop mixed with CC. Jackie's voice is not the problem. The problem is with those who have certain expectation of what she "should" be singing and how she should be singing it. She has too much integrity as an artist to compromise her aspirations and intentions for the sake of those who cannot or will not accept anything but what they demand. So, let them follow Katherine Jenkins and others like her. Those who are not demanding have stuck with her, the loyal fans who appreciate Jackie for the versatile artist she is. What "mistakes" has she made that CC artists are "not allowed to make"?....Charlotte Church abandoned CC for pop. Jackie has not done that, because she still sings CC in her concerts. CC by definition is crossing over from Classical to pop, evidenced by classical singers like Placido Domingo who can't sing pop without sounding like an opera singer, yet that is acceptable to the classical crowd, lol. Jackie is certainly far better at interpreting non-classical songs than classical singers are....because she uses pop techniques and head voice appropriately in her interpretations of pop and other genres. CC fans have now become almost as snobbish as opera fans with regard to their opinion of Jackie's music. Kudos to her for not knuckling under just to gain their favor. As she said, "I HOPE my fans will decide to grow with me...". Obviously she has accepted that many have not and will not grow with her. Of course, Jackie has a classical voice, has always had it and still has it, otherwise she wouldn't be able to sing CC, but she uses it less often. I don't know what you're trying to prove here, but it's your usual stupid talk about the loyal fan. There are people who no longer feel addressed by Jackie's style of music, there are people who are disappointed by Jackie's sexy photos 2020 and left, of course also people who left because of Juliet, others because of Trump. Jackie has mainly concerts on the East and West Coast, she has hardly visited the states in between. Jackie gives far too few concerts, there should be at least 50 a year. Jackie went to New York, why? Many did not like this. Jackie doesn't offer her fans on Youtube good videos of live performances. Jackie offers far too little on social media, and then mostly unprofessional. And so on.
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Post by Willyiam on Jun 8, 2023 15:08:08 GMT -5
That is the point. The fans who have abandoned Jackie are those who want "classic voices like Katherine Jenkins" and to hear classical songs. Jackie does not have a "classic" voice and never did, because Jackie has never been classically trained. Nevertheless, they bought her albums, Awakening and Two hearts (recorded at age 14 and 16...not a kid), and have attended her CC concerts, apparently until she began singing pop covers and contemporary Broadway songs, and now folk-pop mixed with CC. Jackie's voice is not the problem. The problem is with those who have certain expectation of what she "should" be singing and how she should be singing it. She has too much integrity as an artist to compromise her aspirations and intentions for the sake of those who cannot or will not accept anything but what they demand. So, let them follow Katherine Jenkins and others like her. Those who are not demanding have stuck with her, the loyal fans who appreciate Jackie for the versatile artist she is. What "mistakes" has she made that CC artists are "not allowed to make"?....Charlotte Church abandoned CC for pop. Jackie has not done that, because she still sings CC in her concerts. CC by definition is crossing over from Classical to pop, evidenced by classical singers like Placido Domingo who can't sing pop without sounding like an opera singer, yet that is acceptable to the classical crowd, lol. Jackie is certainly far better at interpreting non-classical songs than classical singers are....because she uses pop techniques and head voice appropriately in her interpretations of pop and other genres. CC fans have now become almost as snobbish as opera fans with regard to their opinion of Jackie's music. Kudos to her for not knuckling under just to gain their favor. As she said, "I HOPE my fans will decide to grow with me...". Obviously she has accepted that many have not and will not grow with her. Of course, Jackie has a classical voice, has always had it and still has it, otherwise she wouldn't be able to sing CC, but she uses it less often. I don't know what you're trying to prove here, but it's your usual stupid talk about the loyal fan. There are people who no longer feel addressed by Jackie's style of music, there are people who are disappointed by Jackie's sexy photos 2020 and left, of course also people who left because of Juliet, others because of Trump. Jackie has mainly concerts on the East and West Coast, she has hardly visited the states in between. Jackie gives far too few concerts, there should be at least 50 a year. Jackie went to New York, why? Many did not like this. Jackie doesn't offer her fans on Youtube good videos of live performances. Jackie offers far too little on social media, and then mostly unprofessional. And so on. And, of course, you think you can call someone STUPID and get away with it!!! Well, think again you Stupid Moron!! I'm sick and tired of your ridiculous, child whining, stupid, negative posts!! You post stupid, ignorant posts every time someone posts something you disagree with, no matter if they are right or wrong! I don't know what you're trying to prove here, but your stupid post about loyal Jackie fans leaving and why, is so ignorant and stupid, that I can't believe you had the cojones to post it!! Get a life and go to another forum and post STUPID posts!!
Admin: Please ban and delete all posts of zwergnase as this poster has violated on several occasions, forum rules #1: 1) Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, with respect and kindness. (There will be no name calling of Jackie, her parents, her siblings, her people, or other members allowed.) (There will be no personal insults of Jackie, her parents, her siblings, her people, or other members allowed.) (Foul, vulgar, profane, graphic language will not be allowed here.) (Respectful considerate criticism is allowed.)
Calling a member STUPID is definitely a Personal Insult and this poster zwergnase uses this insulting word, and others, in several posts! Here is just a sample: "It's sad to see how ridiculous you make Jackie here, you're citing sources that only write nonsense. Once you've read the pages, probably not. Anyone who has enough sense knows that this information is stupid. There are sites that write at Rachel Evancho of 1-5 million Networths. Boy, you're really naïve. Why no concerts until August? because there are no offers. That's the simple and logical explanation. The Winery concerts have clearly shown how little interest in a "Jackie sings Joni" tour exists."
And, why was this post not deleted?
"Bullshit, Jackie has sung with straight notes before, Awakening is full of them, live from 2013. There are certainly also people who do not like this straight way of singing. Perhaps this is one reason for their lack of success in recent years. Otherwise, the usual subjekitive garbage from your pen."
And another one!! "Boring, Lawrence, were you a copycat in kindergarten? The creation and development of Jackie's vibrato is normal, that's the case with almost every singer. I'm eagerly awaiting Part 2, which secrets about Jackie's vibrato will be revealed there."
And another STUPID: "Your stupid babble bores me. Jackie is the only integral part of her musical style. and when Jackie changes and her way of thinking, so does her music style and vocal style. Jackie has absorbed a lot of different influences in recent years. She works with a jazz pianist, has done rock with Kip Winger, Jackie attends jazz and musical concerts. Where do you still see CC influences in recent years? "
I did a search for posts by zwergnase, and I'm on page 8 of 53! I'll post more violations as I find them!
Well, guess what I found??
"That you write stupid questions here, that's the reason. The right question would be, why did the number of followers increase by 50,000 between January and April? More precisely, between 10 and 24 January."
On Nov. 22, 2022, lawrence posted this in the Suggestion Box,and as far as I know, nothing was done!!
"Boy, either you're mentally ill or a stupid idiot, most of your comments and posts are meant to make it seem like CoT is a success. That is clear. Your "overwhelmingly positive comments" are all well and good, but nothing more."
"If you want to portray "Carousel of Time" as successful with stupid statements, you can do that, but it won't help Jackie."
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Post by Admin on Jun 8, 2023 20:01:40 GMT -5
Okay, Billy, I deleted his account.
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Post by Willyiam on Jun 8, 2023 20:09:53 GMT -5
Okay, Billy, I deleted his account. Thank you Admin!! Rules are meant to be enforced, otherwise, why have them!! Also, this sends a signal to those that think they can also violate forum rules!
NOTE: It is inevitable that zwergnase will register as a new alias, but I believe the modus operandi and spelling and grammar errors, will give it away!!
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Post by johnnyb on Jun 8, 2023 22:25:44 GMT -5
Okay, Billy, I deleted his account. What are you doing Rick, you have basically no one posting here and now you’re deleting an active poster. Willy is a hypocrite, he has hurled personal insults at the deleted member numerous times over, calling him a stupid moron. Willy broke the rules and should be suspended.
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Post by ursus on Jun 9, 2023 2:50:11 GMT -5
Okay, Billy, I deleted his account. What are you doing Rick, you have basically no one posting here and now you’re deleting an active poster. Willy is a hypocrite, he has hurled personal insults at the deleted member numerous times over, calling him a stupid moron. Willy broke the rules and should be suspended. I am in agreement. IMO the insults were going in both directions. At most zwergnase deserved a short suspension.
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Post by Willyiam on Jun 9, 2023 7:26:06 GMT -5
What are you doing Rick, you have basically no one posting here and now you’re deleting an active poster. Willy is a hypocrite, he has hurled personal insults at the deleted member numerous times over, calling him a stupid moron. Willy broke the rules and should be suspended. I am in agreement. IMO the insults were going in both directions. At most zwergnase deserved a short suspension. First of all, johnBoy, I am not a hypocrite!! I was defending lawrence with my post, who has never insulted a member directly, as has zwergnase on several occasions! Second johnBoy, it is obvious that you believe rules are meant to be broken if posting is slow!! Then you must also believe that anyone can violate the rules of this forum if they are an active poster!
And ursus, the insults were not going in both directions!! Do a search, as I did, looking for the word stupid and the poster lawrence! Then do the same search with the poster zwergnase! The results prove the insults and rules violations were going in one direction, and for over 12 months! These violations deserved more than a wrist-slap!!
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Post by lawrence on Jun 9, 2023 9:39:10 GMT -5
What are you doing Rick, you have basically no one posting here and now you’re deleting an active poster. Willy is a hypocrite, he has hurled personal insults at the deleted member numerous times over, calling him a stupid moron. Willy broke the rules and should be suspended. I am in agreement. IMO the insults were going in both directions. At most zwergnase deserved a short suspension. Willyiam had never insulted a member as "stupid". Willyiam's response to zwergnase here was a one-time emphatic reaction to his having continually insulted members on this forum. This insulting behavior had gone on for a long time, to which I responded in Nov. of 2022 with this post in The Suggestion Box......no action was taken whatsoever........Willyiam quoted many other instances of such insults above. I said: There was a time not long ago when these rules were enforced with appropriate disciplinary action. Admin had an assistant assigned to the task of monitoring posts and making himself available through private message to offer recourse for disrespectful behavior. Today, Admin seems disinterested in activity on this forum for whatever reason, and there is no assistant admin charged with monitoring, and no recourse for violating the rules. So, I will address this to my antagonist from Germany, ZWERGNASE, suggesting that you read these rules and attempt to engage in discourse in a civil, respectful manner. There is no call for this kind of remark. LEARN SOME MANNERS! Nov 22, 2022 0:28:17 GMT -7 zwergnase said "Boy, either you're mentally ill or a stupid idiot"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2023 11:45:49 GMT -5
Of course, Jackie has a classical voice, has always had it and still has it, otherwise she wouldn't be able to sing CC, but she uses it less often. I don't know what you're trying to prove here, but it's your usual stupid talk about the loyal fan. There are people who no longer feel addressed by Jackie's style of music, there are people who are disappointed by Jackie's sexy photos 2020 and left, of course also people who left because of Juliet, others because of Trump. Jackie has mainly concerts on the East and West Coast, she has hardly visited the states in between. Jackie gives far too few concerts, there should be at least 50 a year. Jackie went to New York, why? Many did not like this. Jackie doesn't offer her fans on Youtube good videos of live performances. Jackie offers far too little on social media, and then mostly unprofessional. And so on. And, of course, you think you can call someone STUPID and get away with it!!! Well, think again you Stupid Moron!! I'm sick and tired of your ridiculous, child whining, stupid, negative posts!! You post stupid, ignorant posts every time someone posts something you disagree with, no matter if they are right or wrong! I don't know what you're trying to prove here, but your stupid post about loyal Jackie fans leaving and why, is so ignorant and stupid, that I can't believe you had the cojones to post it!! Get a life and go to another forum and post STUPID posts!!
Admin: Please ban and delete all posts of zwergnase as this poster has violated on several occasions, forum rules #1: 1) Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, with respect and kindness. (There will be no name calling of Jackie, her parents, her siblings, her people, or other members allowed.) (There will be no personal insults of Jackie, her parents, her siblings, her people, or other members allowed.) (Foul, vulgar, profane, graphic language will not be allowed here.) (Respectful considerate criticism is allowed.)
Calling a member STUPID is definitely a Personal Insult and this poster zwergnase uses this insulting word, and others, in several posts! Here is just a sample: "It's sad to see how ridiculous you make Jackie here, you're citing sources that only write nonsense. Once you've read the pages, probably not. Anyone who has enough sense knows that this information is stupid. There are sites that write at Rachel Evancho of 1-5 million Networths. Boy, you're really naïve. Why no concerts until August? because there are no offers. That's the simple and logical explanation. The Winery concerts have clearly shown how little interest in a "Jackie sings Joni" tour exists."
And, why was this post not deleted?
"Bullshit, Jackie has sung with straight notes before, Awakening is full of them, live from 2013. There are certainly also people who do not like this straight way of singing. Perhaps this is one reason for their lack of success in recent years. Otherwise, the usual subjekitive garbage from your pen."
And another one!! "Boring, Lawrence, were you a copycat in kindergarten? The creation and development of Jackie's vibrato is normal, that's the case with almost every singer. I'm eagerly awaiting Part 2, which secrets about Jackie's vibrato will be revealed there."
And another STUPID: "Your stupid babble bores me. Jackie is the only integral part of her musical style. and when Jackie changes and her way of thinking, so does her music style and vocal style. Jackie has absorbed a lot of different influences in recent years. She works with a jazz pianist, has done rock with Kip Winger, Jackie attends jazz and musical concerts. Where do you still see CC influences in recent years? "
I did a search for posts by zwergnase, and I'm on page 8 of 53! I'll post more violations as I find them!
Well, guess what I found??
"That you write stupid questions here, that's the reason. The right question would be, why did the number of followers increase by 50,000 between January and April? More precisely, between 10 and 24 January."
On Nov. 22, 2022, lawrence posted this in the Suggestion Box,and as far as I know, nothing was done!!
"Boy, either you're mentally ill or a stupid idiot, most of your comments and posts are meant to make it seem like CoT is a success. That is clear. Your "overwhelmingly positive comments" are all well and good, but nothing more."
"If you want to portray "Carousel of Time" as successful with stupid statements, you can do that, but it won't help Jackie."
Calling someone else's statement stupid is not a personal insult. You should know that. It clearly falls under the freedom of expression. That is allowed. Calling a person naive is not a personal insult. It never was and never will be. Bullshit,refers again to a statement so is not a personal insult. Copycat in kindergarten isn't a personal insult if you know what it means. Boy, either you're mentally ill or a stupid idiot, This is a personal insult, was a one-time emphatic response to his constant silly remarks, which hasn't diminished, just his statement "Jackie does not have a "classic" voice and never did" is an insult to any reasonably intelligent person. I don't care, your forum is so stupidly structured, apparently you can't delete my comments, and any idiot can read these statements over and over again.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 9, 2023 12:12:18 GMT -5
The insults never cease with this guy. Now insulting Admin "this forum is so stupidly structured....."
Btw, I said, " Jackie does not have a "classic" (meaning classical) voice and never did, because Jackie has never been classically trained". That is a fact verified and stated by Jackie herself on her ShopTalkLive Q&A.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2023 12:24:36 GMT -5
The insults never cease with this guy. Now insulting Admin "this forum is so stupidly structured....." Btw, I said, " Jackie does not have a "classic" (meaning classical) voice and never did, because Jackie has never been classically trained". That is a fact verified and stated by Jackie herself on her ShopTalkLive Q&A. It is and will always be wrong. A classical voice does not depend on training. Your evidence is exactly what I say, stupid. Jackie says she's not classically trained, that doesn't mean she doesn't have or didn't have a classical voice. What kind of voice should she have otherwise?
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Post by ursus on Jun 9, 2023 14:31:56 GMT -5
I am in agreement. IMO the insults were going in both directions. At most zwergnase deserved a short suspension. First of all, johnBoy, I am not a hypocrite!! I was defending lawrence with my post, who has never insulted a member directly, as has zwergnase on several occasions! Second johnBoy, it is obvious that you believe rules are meant to be broken if posting is slow!! Then you must also believe that anyone can violate the rules of this forum if they are an active poster!
And ursus, the insults were not going in both directions!! Do a search, as I did, looking for the word stupid and the poster lawrence! Then do the same search with the poster zwergnase! The results prove the insults and rules violations were going in one direction, and for over 12 months! These violations deserved more than a wrist-slap!!
There are other ways to insult someone besides using the word stupid. By the way, do you realize that Zwerg Nase is a German fairytale character who looks something like the Italian Pinocchio? I don't think the story is similar, but I haven't heard it since I was about 5 years old. I am going to try to leave this discussion.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 9, 2023 15:24:13 GMT -5
There are other ways to insult someone besides using the word stupid. Definitions of insult: "speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse.... an expression or statement (or sometimes behavior) which is disrespectful or scornful....a rude or offending remark.
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Post by lawrence on Aug 29, 2023 0:01:20 GMT -5
It may prove fairly conclusively who remains a fan when Jackie's album of originals is released. Indications are that it will be an Indie Pop album, if "Behind My Eyes" is representative. I hope release of the single will inspire responses from members......a thread has been created for comment ("BEHIND MY EYES original by Jackie Evancho") under Jackie's Music. I can tell you now that Jackie's venture into writing personally meaningful pop songs, e.g. "Get Out of My Life" (demo) and "Behind My Eyes" (preview), has not diminished my admiration of her as a vocalist. I like what I've heard. The exquisite beauty of her voice is there, as in everything she has recorded. I am not a die-hard classical crossover fan to the exclusion of appreciating her exploratory and experimental nature which has taken her beyond the traditional realm of Classical Crossover at times. Songs like "Have You Ever Been in Love", "Dreams" or "Both Sides Now", for example, are as indicative of her vocal mastery as are "Music of the Night" or "Attesa". I don't know of any young artist who has the insight, interpretive skills and vocal finesse to successfully span as broad a spectrum as Jackie has demonstrated in her 12/13 year career. And, that speaks to her longevity as an artist, as well as her talent. And now, she is drawing from the depth of her being to reveal her "authentic" self through introspective songwriting at the beginning of what she calls, "My musical transformation era", a decisively innovative new phase in her career. Kudos to her for the courage and determination to "be myself"...."without caring about other people's opinions". As she said after the release of The Debut, "I'm going to do whatever my heart tells me to do artistically. Whoever jumps on the band wagon, jumps on the bandwagon." That has been her stance ever since. Although she continues to perform her familiar repertoire in concert, Jackie's music has been taking her gently out of the Classical Crossover genre as a recording artist. It will be interesting to see how this "transformation" changes the complexion of her fandom. music.apple.com/us/album/behind-my-eyes-single/1702225648
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