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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 20:28:52 GMT -5
iBeachguy, Did you read a couple of negative reviews of Two Hearts on Amazon.com to make that determination? Or, do you presume to speak on behalf of the public as usual with your own opinion?...characteristically put in question form to give the impression you're being objective. It's called innuendo, but you know that. It's your trade here. He doesn't really need to post here anymore. The 145,000 + posts he is so, so proud of is still there and are identical to what he is now posting, commenting, commenting, commenting here. So if you are not getting enough here please go over there and read the years of abuse to members there and members here, TE, the family, the music. Even his admin asked him not post the same thing 37 times in two weeks anymore. Of course none of this will have any effect or affect him in any way. Some children just doesn't get the message. If any thinks this is rude, I will direct you to actual rude posts. He and richard are quite the sophisticated pair. BG can't hear anything but "numbers", and richard hears nothing but stats. What magic they find in that, I can't imagine. Jackie's music holds no interest or fascination for either of them, except as much as they are gratified to discredit her talent. They can't even back that up with any music knowledge, much less any credibility. Just contradictory nonsense for the sake of being obtuse. That's BG's angle.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 0:13:02 GMT -5
When I first had my wife, who is not a fan of Jackie, listen to her MIB, she exclaimed, "Oh my goodness. She butchered it." Should I mention that she is a fan of Enya, lol?
Here is a famous Opera singer who, IMO, really butchers it.
I'm sure there are some Opera lovers who think she did a beautiful rendition.
In my not so humble opinion, I don't think anyone, including Jackie, captures the magic that Enya did with her "Gloriously Expressive" rendition.
Enya's version (the original artist) is rich in nuances, grace notes/ mordents and beautiful bright timbre in the high notes. Also, her singing is very light and delicate which adds to it's beauty.
Jackie's version, while impressive for a 16/17 yr old, is lacking in those things that make Enya's version timeless. I usually skip that track (along with TWWW), not because I think they are bad. I just find them to be bland in comparison to the original artists.
Of course, my opinion, like my wife's and Lawrence's, is subjective. YouTube views and comments seem to support what I'm saying. There are several YT clips of Enya's version in the millions with people commenting on them this very day, if not hour. And these are clips years old, too. Jackie's few clips that are only a few months old are dead as can be with most of the comments from the regulars that post on every Jackie clip.
If, and that's a big if, Jackie wants to grow as a singer, she needs to realize that it takes more than just a beautiful voice to create a song that grabs the public eye/ear (IMO).
Oh, one final note. One day after I had listened to the Carpenters Gold album on my phone, I decided to jump to Jackie's MIB to see if that would help me like it more since I think Jackie's voice is more beautiful than Karen's. I wasn't expecting it, but I got goosebumps from the sheer beauty of her voice. First time for that song. Did that improve my impression of her version? Nope. Lol, I still skip it 50% of the time in spite of her gorgeous voice. It's just a song, folks. Don't get bent out of shape and be hateful. Peace and love and all that good stuff.
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Post by agog on Feb 13, 2018 0:21:19 GMT -5
It's just a song, folks. Don't get bent out of shape and be hateful. Peace and love and all that good stuff. I hate it when people order me around. I'll hate if I want too. You're just lucky it was a good post.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 0:42:25 GMT -5
It's just a song, folks. Don't get bent out of shape and be hateful. Peace and love and all that good stuff. I hate it when people order me around. I'll hate if I want too. You're just lucky it was a good post. Lol! Thanks for the kind words you had for me in some thread somewhere. Although you know they were just a bunch of lying flattery to serve who knows what purpose, lol! I forgot to add a bit of information that might clarify my feelings on this song. LOTR has Irish/Celtic roots. Enya is Irish/ Celtic so it is natural for her song to have that Celtic feel. Jackie strips the song of those nuances and mordents which makes it sound more American, for lack of a better word. Kind of like what Josh Groban did to Secret Gardens You raise Me Up. I was a HUGE Josh fan but thought his YRMU was inferior to SG organic Celtic feel. It was too Americanized. I hope that helps.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 1:13:25 GMT -5
godslittletrumpet, I don't disagree with your preference for the Irish/Celtic "feel". It's naturally appropriate of course. I enjoy Enya myself. However, there's an insinuation that you have an aversion to American singers performing an Irish/Celtic song, lest they do injustice to the music simply by virtue of their non-Celtic roots. What if an Italian, French, or Japanese song for that matter were performed by an American? (Jackie has sung all three). Should American singers avoid performing songs of any other national or cultural distinction for reason of their non-Italian roots, etc? Moreover, many Celtic singers perform American songs very beautifully, whom I've never considered to be "Celticizing" the song. PS. Perhaps we could consider Enya's rendition of MIB "expressively glorious", being a notch above Jackie's "gloriously expressive", if they must be compared.
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Post by Beachguy on Feb 13, 2018 12:53:23 GMT -5
iHe doesn't really need to post here anymore. The 145,000 + posts he is so, so proud of is still there and are identical to what he is now posting, commenting, commenting, commenting here. So if you are not getting enough here please go over there and read the years of abuse to members there and members here, TE, the family, the music. Even his admin asked him not post the same thing 37 times in two weeks anymore. Of course none of this will have any effect or affect him in any way. Some children just doesn't get the message. If any thinks this is rude, I will direct you to actual rude posts. He and richard are quite the sophisticated pair. BG can't hear anything but "numbers", and richard hears nothing but stats. What magic they find in that, I can't imagine. Jackie's music holds no interest or fascination for either of them, except as much as they are gratified to discredit her talent. They can't even back that up with any music knowledge, much less any credibility. Just contradictory nonsense for the sake of being obtuse. That's BG's angle. Fake news as usual , i have posted over 7 years more positive posts about Jackie then all the members in this forum , book it , my problem is not Jackie but many of her so called fans
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Post by Beachguy on Feb 13, 2018 12:58:28 GMT -5
Beachguy, Did you read a couple of negative reviews of Two Hearts on Amazon.com to make that determination? Or, do you presume to speak on behalf of the public as usual with your own opinion?...characteristically put in question form to give the impression you're being objective. It's called innuendo, but you know that. It's your trade here. no lawrence , cute name btw , my opinion , what were her sales ? , it seems i liked it more then the public btw#2 i am also sarcastic
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Post by Beachguy on Feb 13, 2018 12:59:26 GMT -5
For all the naysayers and doomsday followers, TH has been back in the top 25 the past couple weeks. Sorry to bust your bubble. on what chart ? what are total sales
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 17:12:22 GMT -5
i have posted over 7 years more positive posts about Jackie then all the members in this forum , book it , my problem is not Jackie but many of her so called fansYour disgust with fans is apparent. You've made it known repeatedly with mockery and sarcasm. Are they beneath your consideration and respect? Of course they will express their admiration for Jackie and/or her music on a fan forum. They'll use adjectives and terms they feel describe what they think or experience. I imagine Jackie has matured beyond being impressionable and "harmed" by any of it, despite your insistence to the contrary. She has clearly resolved the "angel" image imposed upon her in the past. I think she recognizes exaggerated praise for what it is, but probably appreciates the recognition nonetheless. On the other hand, she probably disregards the hatefulness and disdain sent her way and toward her family as well. I gather that from what she has said publicly. What gives you special privilege to "know Jackie better than anyone", to assume responsibility for her welfare and to be her spokesman. Does living in her home town give you invited access to her private life and thoughts with secrecy as you infer? I'm just curious what drives your mission to rag on her fans as to assume she appreciates it as some kind of favor. Please offer a reasonable response. Or, don't bother if you prefer.
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Post by rob49 on Feb 13, 2018 21:29:00 GMT -5
beachguy must be a very bitter lonely old man to spend his days making hundreds of abusive comments. His constant rudeness had all ways bothered me. But now I am just starting to pity him.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Feb 14, 2018 2:33:09 GMT -5
beachguy must be a very bitter lonely old man to spend his days making hundreds of abusive comments. His constant rudeness had all ways bothered me. But now I am just starting to pity him.So do I. It seems, that he has some problems.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 7:32:01 GMT -5
godslittletrumpet, I don't disagree with your preference for the Irish/Celtic "feel". It's naturally appropriate of course. I enjoy Enya myself. However, there's an insinuation that you have an aversion to American singers performing an Irish/Celtic song, lest they do injustice to the music simply by virtue of their non-Celtic roots. What if an Italian, French, or Japanese song for that matter were performed by an American? (Jackie has sung all three). Should American singers avoid performing songs of any other national or cultural distinction for reason of their non-Italian roots, etc? Moreover, many Celtic singers perform American songs very beautifully, whom I've never considered to be "Celticizing" the song. PS. Perhaps we could consider Enya's rendition of MIB "expressively glorious", being a notch above Jackie's "gloriously expressive", if they must be compared. Thanks for your response. I'm afraid my poor writing skills have betrayed me once again as I have confused you with my clarification.😂 I was in a hurry as I am now so will probably make things worse with further clarification, lol! Americanized was probably not a good choice for what I feel in Jackie's version. Her Danny Boy, imo, is an untouchable masterpiece and yet that is what?, The ultimate Irish tune? Her DB is rich in nuances. Her voice timbre is extremely rich and complex. I hear the sound of a boy, a girl, a woman, and a melancholy trumpet all alloyed into one glorious voice. I cannot listen to any other version of DB without comparing it to Jackie's. And I think they all fall short. My opinion, of course. As Jackie is maturing, her voice is getting deeper, smoother, more "polished". Sometimes, I think she polishes away too much the "edginess" that she had when she was younger. That is understandable since she probably hears "your voice is so beautiful" every day from other people. So it has got to be in the back of her mind, "I've got to sound beautiful." It has to be stifling to her creativity. I think she will figure all out in time. We just have to be patient and supportive as I know you are. I still love Jackie as a singer in spite of what I feel for her MIB. She is the only singer that has consistently given me goosebumps and I don't get listener fatigue with the songs of hers that I like. Btw, I find a lot of Enya's songs to be repetitous to the point of boring. Hence, I'm not a big fan of hers like my wife is. With MIB, she struck gold, but I don't listen to her albums on my phone (for my wife's benefit) because I find myself skipping through most of the songs because they all sound the same and I find her arrangements to be be amateurish.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 9:42:41 GMT -5
godslittletrumpet,
Briefly: Thank you for your respectful reply. Please excuse my misinterpretation.
I am in full agreement with your assessment of Jackie's Danny Boy and her now "deeper, smoother, more polished" voice, etc. With respect, I will not attempt to expound upon either of your descriptions. Each is insightful and concise.
Also, I never tire of listening to Jackie's music. That's what I find fascinating about her voice. Unlike any other, she has that "something" that is continually captivating regardless of the song, even though a few are not particularly to my liking because of the content. I listen to her albums through from beginning to end with great pleasure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 13:15:38 GMT -5
You and others have, in the past, asked or offered what is your favorite Jackie song on a cd or overall. That is just ridiculous. Why not ask for your favorite butterfly or honey bee. Pick and choose is not healthy.
I knew a guy that literally went crazy at his work. He was an egg sorter. Picking the small, medium, and large went ok. But when he had to pick the extra large and jumbo his brain exploded. Jackie songs are all extra large or jumbo. THAT is why we, her real fans, are a little bonkers.
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Post by Beachguy on Feb 14, 2018 13:39:13 GMT -5
i have posted over 7 years more positive posts about Jackie then all the members in this forum , book it , my problem is not Jackie but many of her so called fansYour disgust with fans is apparent. You've made it known repeatedly with mockery and sarcasm. Are they beneath your consideration and respect? Of course they will express their admiration for Jackie and/or her music on a fan forum. They'll use adjectives and terms they feel describe what they think or experience. I imagine Jackie has matured beyond being impressionable and "harmed" by any of it, despite your insistence to the contrary. She has clearly resolved the "angel" image imposed upon her in the past. I think she recognizes exaggerated praise for what it is, but probably appreciates the recognition nonetheless. On the other hand, she probably disregards the hatefulness and disdain sent her way and toward her family as well. I gather that from what she has said publicly. What gives you special privilege to "know Jackie better than anyone", to assume responsibility for her welfare and to be her spokesman. Does living in her home town give you invited access to her private life and thoughts with secrecy as you infer? I'm just curious what drives your mission to rag on her fans as to assume she appreciates it as some kind of favor. Please offer a reasonable response. Or, don't bother if you prefer. i don't or never did care for people that i thought hurt Jackie with nearly insane comments , Jackie never liked the build up to the best or greatest , they imo made it impossible to live up to which was unfair to her , that is why she thought she should ""post just a girl "" , i have family an friends living close to her , i hear things but don't quote here , her fan base has attacked me many , many times but i kicked their butts in time , i don't forget an will follow them as many can tell you , here a few attacked me like johnnyb but i will handle him/her in time , some will turn me in to Admin if on a PM so i be careful here , he/she never came to UK forum to talk , i do not rag on people who do not attack me first in words , haters and attackers wear the rags .
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