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Post by eddy3 on Sept 5, 2016 12:49:02 GMT -5
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Post by waldschratt on Nov 27, 2016 15:10:08 GMT -5
Anywhere I read this is the first video of Jackie but it was the second round of the contest. Does a private Video of the first round exist?
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Post by jefan08 on Nov 27, 2016 18:36:46 GMT -5
Anywhere I read this is the first video of Jackie but it was the second round of the contest. Does a private Video of the first round exist? I don't believe so. Iirc, Lisa originally thought a disc of the performances might be available from the sponsors. That was not the case. Lisa took the video of the finals although the audience was not supposed to record performances. We are fortunate she did although it appears to be in low resolution. If I remember correctly, Jackie sang THINK OF ME from POTO in an earlier round.
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Post by jamesn on Dec 1, 2016 15:17:33 GMT -5
Anywhere I read this is the first video of Jackie but it was the second round of the contest. Does a private Video of the first round exist? I don't believe so. Iirc, Lisa originally thought a disc of the performances might be available from the sponsors. That was not the case. Lisa took the video of the finals although the audience was not supposed to record performances. We are fortunate she did although it appears to be in low resolution. If I remember correctly, Jackie sang THINK OF ME from POTO in an earlier round. There must have been a second photographer - a grandparent probably - because the angle shifts a couple of times; likely the two clips were edited together before posting.
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Post by agog on Dec 1, 2016 16:47:03 GMT -5
Anywhere I read this is the first video of Jackie but it was the second round of the contest. Does a private Video of the first round exist? I don't believe so. Iirc, Lisa originally thought a disc of the performances might be available from the sponsors. That was not the case. Lisa took the video of the finals although the audience was not supposed to record performances. We are fortunate she did although it appears to be in low resolution. If I remember correctly, Jackie sang THINK OF ME from POTO in an earlier round. waldschratt and jefan08, I didn't know this video was of Jackie's second appearance. If I had been told, I would have assumed her appearance with Debra Crosby (you know, the ruined mascara video) was the first. Am I confusing two different talent shows? Anyway... the reason I decided to post here is to say Lisa should have been aware that people would like well shot videos of Jackie's performances. I have attended about a dozen concerts and would have signed up at each one to have a recording of the concert I just attended. I would have bought another thirty or so (just to put some number on it) proper videos of notable concerts and appearances. It's great that Papasmurfdad shot the video of Jackie's first ever professional concert at that church in Houston. We're lucky too that Lisa relented and withdrew her objection to Psd's posting it.
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Post by waldschratt on Dec 1, 2016 18:05:45 GMT -5
Is there generally a list of Jackies early performances of the pre-AGT-time ?
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Post by jrchico on Dec 1, 2016 22:20:36 GMT -5
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Post by pgantioch on Dec 7, 2016 14:34:46 GMT -5
I don't believe so. Iirc, Lisa originally thought a disc of the performances might be available from the sponsors. That was not the case. Lisa took the video of the finals although the audience was not supposed to record performances. We are fortunate she did although it appears to be in low resolution. If I remember correctly, Jackie sang THINK OF ME from POTO in an earlier round. waldschratt and jefan08, I didn't know this video was of Jackie's second appearance. If I had been told, I would have assumed her appearance with Debra Crosby (you know, the ruined mascara video) was the first. Am I confusing two different talent shows?Anyway... the reason I decided to post here is to say Lisa should have been aware that people would like well shot videos of Jackie's performances. I have attended about a dozen concerts and would have signed up at each one to have a recording of the concert I just attended. I would have bought another thirty or so (just to put some number on it) proper videos of notable concerts and appearances. It's great that Papasmurfdad shot the video of Jackie's first ever professional concert at that church in Houston. We're lucky too that Lisa relented and withdrew her objection to Psd's posting it. A: "Am I confusing two different talent shows?" PGA: Yes, I think so. Jackie competed in Kean Idol in 2008 & 2009 in March-April, just before & just after her birthday, both years. She finished 2nd both times. The vid on this thread is from 2008. She sang L'Amore Sei Tu (I Will Always Love You in Italian) on her 10th birthday, 2010 Apr 9, at Kean. The Debra Crosby show, where she was the 1st one caught crying on vid listening to Jackie sing, was in June 2009 in Salem, MA. Jackie won that one AFAIK. A: "...Lisa should have been aware that people would like well shot videos of Jackie's performances." PGA: As should Mike. Instead, they seem to want to have as little video record as possible of her performances. I admit it baffles me. A: "It's great that Papasmurfdad shot the video of Jackie's first ever professional concert at that church in Houston. We're lucky too that Lisa relented and withdrew her objection to Psd's posting it." PGA: Strongly agree. PSD put promos/ads for DWM at the end, & that may have swayed TeamE. Well-made vids like that are a help, not a harm, to Jackie's career, yet even now, TeamE seems intent on suppressing them.
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Post by jefan08 on Dec 8, 2016 0:22:24 GMT -5
I don't believe so. Iirc, Lisa originally thought a disc of the performances might be available from the sponsors. That was not the case. Lisa took the video of the finals although the audience was not supposed to record performances. We are fortunate she did although it appears to be in low resolution. If I remember correctly, Jackie sang THINK OF ME from POTO in an earlier round. waldschratt and jefan08, I didn't know this video was of Jackie's second appearance. If I had been told, I would have assumed her appearance with Debra Crosby (you know, the ruined mascara video) was the first. Am I confusing two different talent shows? Anyway... the reason I decided to post here is to say Lisa should have been aware that people would like well shot videos of Jackie's performances. I have attended about a dozen concerts and would have signed up at each one to have a recording of the concert I just attended. I would have bought another thirty or so (just to put some number on it) proper videos of notable concerts and appearances. It's great that Papasmurfdad shot the video of Jackie's first ever professional concert at that church in Houston. We're lucky too that Lisa relented and withdrew her objection to Psd's posting it. Yes, they were separate appearances at two different talent shows. Debra Crosby was in Massachusetts and had her own show. She was not associated with Kean Idol. Actually, the story I remember hearing was that there were two earlier preliminary rounds of the 2008 Kean Idol for kids and Jackie sang "Think of Me" at both with neither apparently being recorded. I have no way of knowing if that is actually correct. The paternal grandparents were invited to the earlier performances but apparently did not attend. After each one, they asked how Jackie did and when told she made the finals, they did attend. They do have a lot of grandkids and probably didn't go to all of their invitatations. The date of the finals was always known to be very close to Jackie's birthday. A few years later in an interview, Jackie said the finals were actually on her birthday, April 9, 2008. A news story was written afterwards quoting the grandparents as saying something to the effect, they both, after about 15 seconds in, looked at each other kind of stunned with "like what's going on here". I believe it was Lisa that made a comment something like that the judges had earlier said that the performances would be judged on more than just singing and also on the presentation and the total performance act. Apparently Lisa and Jackie came up with the act and made the little red outfit she wore, perhaps with grandma Linda's sewing help. Lisa said something like Jackie worked very hard practicing for the finals. As most of you probably know, the performance was probably based on the Sarah Brightman original music video from about 30 years ago where Sarah is in the cemetary at her father's grave. Someone actually made a virtual duet out of those two performances intertwined and put it on you tube. It may still be up. Another you tube video copy of Jackie's performance was up for a while and had a ton of comments. One was from another contestant that day named Jaden about 16 years old, iirc, who stated that she was playing with Jackie backstage. She said Jackie was very nervous but was being totally silly having fun. Another comment was from a gentleman who said he attended because a friend's daughter was performing. He stated something like Jackie's performance stunned the entire audience and afterwards everyone was talking about the little girl's amazing performà nce. He stated everyone there knew she would be a star someday. The applause at the end said it all.
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Post by jefan08 on Dec 8, 2016 0:36:17 GMT -5
waldschratt and jefan08, I didn't know this video was of Jackie's second appearance. If I had been told, I would have assumed her appearance with Debra Crosby (you know, the ruined mascara video) was the first. Am I confusing two different talent shows?Anyway... the reason I decided to post here is to say Lisa should have been aware that people would like well shot videos of Jackie's performances. I have attended about a dozen concerts and would have signed up at each one to have a recording of the concert I just attended. I would have bought another thirty or so (just to put some number on it) proper videos of notable concerts and appearances. It's great that Papasmurfdad shot the video of Jackie's first ever professional concert at that church in Houston. We're lucky too that Lisa relented and withdrew her objection to Psd's posting it. A: "Am I confusing two different talent shows?" PGA: Yes, I think so. Jackie competed in Kean Idol in 2008 & 2009 in March-April, just before & just after her birthday, both years. She finished 2nd both times. The vid on this thread is from 2008. She sang L'Amore Sei Tu (I Will Always Love You in Italian) on her 10th birthday, 2010 Apr 9, at Kean. The Debra Crosby show, where she was the 1st one caught crying on vid listening to Jackie sing, was in June 2009 in Salem, MA. Jackie won that one AFAIK. A: "...Lisa should have been aware that people would like well shot videos of Jackie's performances." PGA: As should Mike. Instead, they seem to want to have as little video record as possible of her performances. I admit it baffles me. A: "It's great that Papasmurfdad shot the video of Jackie's first ever professional concert at that church in Houston. We're lucky too that Lisa relented and withdrew her objection to Psd's posting it." PGA: Strongly agree. PSD put promos/ads for DWM at the end, & that may have swayed TeamE. Well-made vids like that are a help, not a harm, to Jackie's career, yet even now, TeamE seems intent on suppressing them. PGA: I'm pretty sure Jackie never sang L'Amore Se I Tu on Kean Idol. That was done on the second appearance Jackie made on Debra Crosby's show. I believe she sang Con Te Partiro on the 2009 Kean Idol finals. No harm meant. I get things conflated at times also.
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Post by pgantioch on Dec 8, 2016 0:49:33 GMT -5
JEFan,
You're right, she sang L'Amore Sei Tu ("L'amore sei tu" in Italian - they only capitalize the 1st word of songs) at Talent Quest in 2009:
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But she also sang it for Kean Idol in 2010. IIRC, since she'd competed the 2 previous years, she couldn't compete again, so it was some kind of "exhibition" type performance. It's on the usedmeb4 channel, which says it was on her 10th birthday.
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Others asked about other 2008 Kean Idol performances. This is the Bach-Gounod Ave Maria:
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Post by jefan08 on Dec 8, 2016 22:01:52 GMT -5
JEFan, You're right, she sang L' Amore Sei Tu ("L'amore sei tu" in Italian - they only capitalize the 1st word of songs) at Talent Quest in 2009: *-*-* But she also sang it for Kean Idol in 2010. IIRC, since she'd competed the 2 previous years, she couldn't compete again, so it was some kind of "exhibition" type performance. It's on the usedmeb4 channel, which says it was on her 10th birthday. *-*-* Others asked about other 2008 Kean Idol performances. This is the Bach-Gounod Ave Maria: Many thanks for the videos and input. Since none of us are insiders or connected to the family, it is often hard to sort out Jackie's history, especially since the official Jackie proboards and Lisa are gone.It usually takes a group to piece the history together. My comment about Jackie not singing " L'amore sei tu" at Kean Idol was directed at her competition performances in 2008 and 2009, although I didn't originally state that. I was unaware that Jackie appeared in 2010 as a Kean Idol guest and sang that song at that time. I have seen that song on you tube. However I failed to notice that the name on the podium was St. Barnabas, the sponsor and the version I saw only said April 2010 without the birth date below. I did not make the connection as I was concentrating on watching Jackie. I had only had heard that she did not compete in 2010 after finishing second twice in 2008 and 2009. I had never heard that she wasn't eligible in 2010. The second video of Jackie singing Ave Maria dated in that specific video posted and dated as being 2008 is, in my opinion, incorrectly dated. Lisa had a couple of videos where the year was incorrect on the date stamp. It took me a while a few years ago to figure that out. I looked at the same Ave Maria video today on the official JE site and the date is now 2009 on the official version. The version posted above may be an archived earlier version before the date correction. Apparently Lisa has corrected a few factual glitches on the old videos. If you look at the dress Jackie has on in the Ave Maria video, it is the same one she is wearing in the Con te partiro video in the 2009 Kean Idol finals. She also looks the same for size, face etc. If you compare Jackie in the 2009 Ave Maria video to the 2008 video, the difference is obvious. In 2008 she is smaller, almost tiny, and she has grown noticeably in the year between appearances. From the first time I ever saw Jackie perform, I have been in awe of what she did starting as a little girl and have tried to piece together some history and facts about those early years. Any and all additions and corrections are encouraged from anyone. My memory is certainly not perfect. I did hear or pick up years ago that Jackie sang Think of Me from POTO in an earlier round in 2008 and that her grandparents did not attend in earlier rounds (more than one). The other second comment about Jackie singing Think of Me in two earlier rounds was from someone and somewhere else at a different time. I hesitated to put that in as I am somewhat skeptical of its accuracy. I never heard that she sang Ave Maria in Kean Idol 2008 or saw evidence that has convinced me she did. Comments and corrections are welcome and encouraged. Comments made by Lisa in those days led me to believe there were no known videos of Jackie in the earlier rounds in Kean Idol 2008. We may never know for sure unless a book appears someday, probably after most of us are long gone.
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Post by pgantioch on Dec 8, 2016 22:20:59 GMT -5
JEFan: "It usually takes a group to piece the history together... Any and all additions and corrections are encouraged from anyone. My memory is certainly not perfect."
PGA: Agree. Like yours, my memory can fail me, LOL.
JEFan: "...that specific video posted and dated as being 2008 is, in my opinion, incorrectly dated... the date is now 2009... If you look at the dress Jackie has on in the Ave Maria video, it is the same one she is wearing in the Con te partiro video in the 2009 Kean Idol finals."
PGA: Yes, I think you're exactly right, on all your comments about that.
JEFan: "I had never heard that she wasn't eligible in 2010."
PGA: I'm not absolutely sure about that one. Maybe someone else knows. Our oldest fan here is probably dfwtexan42, who's been a fan since he saw the age 8-9 laundry room Everytime on YouTube.
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Post by jefan08 on Dec 8, 2016 23:22:23 GMT -5
I will add from my faded memory the gist of what someone, perhaps Lisa, said years ago about Jackie not competing in Kean Idol 2010, which was basically Jackie finished second two times and they decided to move on and not compete after 2009. Incidentally, the video of the winner announcement in 2009 is a Jackie classic where the announcer botched it. by giving Jackie's number and Devin's name. Her shrugging of shoulders and exasperated sigh along with her magnificent recovery was absolutely pure Jackie. I think they put that behind them as great training and experience for Jackie and looked forward to other avenues.
My comments - About the time of the 2010 Kean Idol, they had other things going including the audition for the National Anthem for the Pirates home opener and then the actual performance. They were also trying to get on AGT. I think there were other appearances in that time period that the timeline could fill in. The National Anthem appearance was a huge step up in exposure for Jackie and they also got a second appearance set up with the Pirates for Labor Day weekend that they had to cancel because of Jackie's appearances on AGT. Jackie won the AGT YouTube contest in early July for a spot on the show August 10. The rest is history.
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Post by pgantioch on Dec 8, 2016 23:56:44 GMT -5
Jackie has been #2 quite a lot, but it hasn't stopped her...
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