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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 18:35:33 GMT -5
Crossover Artist Definition
A musician (or artist) who has success in a genre other than the one in which they achieved their initial success.
That's what Jackie did.
Crossover singer Definition
"The crossover singer is someone who is able to achieve success while melding several genres or styles of music together to inform their sound. Through working with hundreds of singers, I have heard the same resounding statement: Their desire is to be unique, and they find it hard to be pigeon holed into one particular genre or vocal style."
That's what Jackie did.
Classical Crossover Definition
Classical crossover is a genre that hovers between classical and popular music, and is usually targeted at fans of both types of music. In the most common type of crossover, classically trained performers (most often operatic superstars) sing popular songs, folk music, show tunes, or holiday songs. Crossover may refer to pop stars singing classical repertoire. Crossover can also be applied to the work of artists, vocal or instrumental, who attempt to create a synthesis between a classical and a popular style, such as jazz interpretations of traditional classical pieces, or contemporary classical works that are heavily influenced by rock. Music that doesn't fall comfortably into either category, but that might appeal to both pop and classical fans, such as world music and non-Western folk traditions, is sometimes also classified as crossover.
That's what Jackie did until 2019.
The Debut (Musical pop) and COT (Folk Pop) are not CC.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 18:37:17 GMT -5
Which shows how incredibly easy it is to rank high in those irrelevant and uncompetitive categories...her last album and album tour flopped miserably. Compared to Jackie's previous albums, COT is less successful, that's right. The concept of a Joni Mitchell cover album was not a good idea in my opinion. Your statement that it is easy to get these chart successes is not quite correct. There are many CC artists who also don't come close to the sales figures of Two Hearts (their last CC album). The same statement applies to the folk genre (COT), and musical (The Debut). Here's an example. How many No.1 places does Katherine Jenkins have in the US Billboard Classic charts? Exactly zero. So it is not so easy to reach those high ranks. Why flopped the album tour. Because firstly it's not a CC album and secondly not a good album. Which is interesting because I liked it better than her last couple of albums. lol
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Post by lawrence on Feb 13, 2023 20:17:31 GMT -5
Crossover Artist Definition A musician (or artist) who has success in a genre other than the one in which they achieved their initial success. That's what Jackie did. Jackie achieved her success as a (untrained) classical crossover artist. Neither The Debut, COT, nor the "Jackie Sings Joni Mitchell" concerts constitute the success in the mainstream necessary by comparison to define her a (new) Crossover artist. I suspect the City Winery shows were an experiment that she may or may not have determined to be promising for future concerts. With regard to your video list, all the songs, with the exception of the COT songs, Misty and Smoking Gun (an experiment) fall under the Classical Crossover genre as part of her CC repertoire since she recorded DWM....opera, classical, pop, Broadway, Christian, et. "The crossover singer is someone who is able to achieve success while melding several genres or styles of music together to inform their sound. That's what Jackie did. What genres or styles of music did Jackie meld together successfully to "inform her sound"? Her "sound" hasn't changed essentially since she was 10, the clarity of her tone having been her signature throughout her career which remains to this day regardless of what genre she sings. You haven't convinced me Jackie is now an acknowledged Crossover artist, no longer performing Classical Crossover. You're putting the cart before the horse. We haven't even heard her original songs intended to constitute an album that must achieve success to be acknowledged Crossover. Nor has she given a concert since Christmas that would reveal what she intends going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 0:11:07 GMT -5
What genres or styles of music did Jackie meld together successfully to "inform her sound"? Her "sound" hasn't changed essentially since she was 10, the clarity of her tone having been her signature throughout her career which remains to this day regardless of what genre she sings.
Here again is the problem, minimal knowledge of music and vocal techniques. The first time as Jackie different
Vocal techniques mixed was truly "Blank Space". Jackie mixes belting with classical vocal technique. to this mixture comes the use of the Vocal Fry register, vocal breaks, etc.
Jackie sings on "The Debut" very often with belting technique. And brings a pop sound into the recordings. On COT Jackie mixes more between the different singing techniques, also varies with musical variations such as jazz or rock. This is especially the case with "i had a king" and "a case of you". There are no or hardly any classical influences.
That's what Jackie meant when she said she makes her own sound.The clarity of her tone, that should be clear, is only one part of her today's singing. The difference then and today is clearly visible in "Somewhere" 2010 and 2019.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 11:50:10 GMT -5
Collaborations are an part of Music.
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Post by lawrence on Feb 15, 2023 13:38:25 GMT -5
What genres or styles of music did Jackie meld together successfully to "inform her sound"? Her "sound" hasn't changed essentially since she was 10, the clarity of her tone having been her signature throughout her career which remains to this day regardless of what genre she sings. Here again is the problem, minimal knowledge of music and vocal techniques. The first time as Jackie different Vocal techniques mixed was truly "Blank Space". Jackie mixes belting with classical vocal technique. to this mixture comes the use of the Vocal Fry register, vocal breaks, etc. Jackie sings on "The Debut" very often with belting technique. And brings a pop sound into the recordings. On COT Jackie mixes more between the different singing techniques, also varies with musical variations such as jazz or rock. This is especially the case with "i had a king" and "a case of you". There are no or hardly any classical influences. That's what Jackie meant when she said she makes her own sound.The clarity of her tone, that should be clear, is only one part of her today's singing. The difference then and today is clearly visible in "Somewhere" 2010 and 2019. Classical crossover has been inherent in Jackie's "sound" from the beginning to the present. It's an integral part of who she is as a vocalist. It's apparent and recognizable in any genre she ventures into. The self-taught techniques (vocal fry, glottal stop, pulling notes, dropping off on notes, belting straight-tone, a purposeful breathiness, etc.) she has incorporated into her interpretations of pop and Broadway songs are the brush strokes of her artistry, giving the songs character....even her interpretation of OMBC/Nessun Dorma with her poppish style delivery. Her style is not "informed" by some other influence, rather her own creative approach to making the songs her own, while her "sound" remains characteristically Jackie, most often with some element of her crystal clear voice putting icing on the cake. It's no different with her selection of songs from Broadway in The Debut. And, no different with Joni Mitchell selections, although one might say her renditions were informed by her appreciation of Joni's story-telling style, but done with Jackie's brush. I refer to what the vocal coach said in her analysis of Jackie's rendition of Both Sides Now @ 5:58: "Classical Crossover singer, definitely get that vibe....It really is the epitome of classical crossover to me, she has that pure head voice, that control. But, the way she styled some of the notes are a bit more pop oriented, so it's perfect for this kind of genre."...."That's artistry"....Near the end, the coach says, "She sounds like she's staying in that classical crossover vibe which works so well for her voice, it's made for this kind of music."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 14:48:22 GMT -5
What genres or styles of music did Jackie meld together successfully to "inform her sound"? Her "sound" hasn't changed essentially since she was 10, the clarity of her tone having been her signature throughout her career which remains to this day regardless of what genre she sings. Here again is the problem, minimal knowledge of music and vocal techniques. The first time as Jackie different Vocal techniques mixed was truly "Blank Space". Jackie mixes belting with classical vocal technique. to this mixture comes the use of the Vocal Fry register, vocal breaks, etc. Jackie sings on "The Debut" very often with belting technique. And brings a pop sound into the recordings. On COT Jackie mixes more between the different singing techniques, also varies with musical variations such as jazz or rock. This is especially the case with "i had a king" and "a case of you". There are no or hardly any classical influences. That's what Jackie meant when she said she makes her own sound.The clarity of her tone, that should be clear, is only one part of her today's singing. The difference then and today is clearly visible in "Somewhere" 2010 and 2019. Classical crossover has been inherent in Jackie's "sound" from the beginning to the present. It's an integral part of who she is as a vocalist. It's apparent and recognizable in any genre she ventures into. The self-taught techniques (vocal fry, glottal stop, pulling notes, dropping off on notes, belting straight-tone, a purposeful breathiness, etc.) she has incorporated into her interpretations of pop and Broadway songs are the brush strokes of her artistry, giving the songs character....even her interpretation of OMBC/Nessun Dorma with her poppish style delivery. Her style is not "informed" by some other influence, rather her own creative approach to making the songs her own, while her "sound" remains characteristically Jackie, most often with some element of her crystal clear voice putting icing on the cake. It's no different with her selection of songs from Broadway in The Debut. And, no different with Joni Mitchell selections, although one might say her renditions were informed by her appreciation of Joni's story-telling style, but done with Jackie's brush. I refer to what the vocal coach said in her analysis of Jackie's rendition of Both Sides Now @ 5:58: "Classical Crossover singer, definitely get that vibe....It really is the epitome of classical crossover to me, she has that pure head voice, that control. But, the way she styled some of the notes are a bit more pop oriented, so it's perfect for this kind of genre."....That's artistry....At the end, the coach says, "She sounds like she's staying in that classical crossover vibe which works so well for her voice, it's made for this kind of music." Your stupid babble bores me. Jackie is the only integral part of her musical style. and when Jackie changes and her way of thinking, so does her music style and vocal style. Jackie has absorbed a lot of different influences in recent years. She works with a jazz pianist, has done rock with Kip Winger, Jackie attends jazz and musical concerts. Where do you still see CC influences in recent years? why shouldn't Jackie use her head voice, especially in Joni Mitchell's songs. But on "The Debut" Jackie uses curbing and edge a lot. This is recognized by anyone who has a minimum of knowledge. Where is the classic influence on COT and The Debut. Where is the classic difference to the original audible on "the Debut". It would be nice if you could give several provable examples. Jackie said she wants to be famous in all genres. Why do you want to lock up Jackie, do you hate Jackie or whatever. Jackie doesn't want to be pressed into the CC genre, that's the only truth. You are deliberately working against Jackie here.
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Post by lawrence on Feb 16, 2023 15:00:03 GMT -5
The vast list of Billboard charts does not include a "Crossover" chart as such. Rather it lists charts that are genre-specific such as Christian Crossover, Jazz Crossover, Rock Crossover, Country Crossover, etc. For example, Country Crossover songs, by definition, "are songs considered country by genre, but pop audiences embraced them and took them into the top 10 on the Billboard Hot 100......Patsy Cline's "Crazy", Roger Miller's "King of the Road", and Charle Rich's "The Most Beautiful Girl", etc.
By definition: "Crossover music refers to music recordings or performers with broad audience appeal and chart success. This classification applies to recordings from any genre that achieves mainstream success on more than one music industry chart (country and pop for example) that tracks songs or albums in a particular music genre or musical style."
Unless or until Jackie achieves success in the mainstream with an album that qualifies under one of the Crossover categories, she will not be acknowledged a Crossover artist. Carousel of Time has not qualified for entry under any crossover category. Having hit the Folk Albums chart, COT might be considered folk, but it isn't really a folk album, rather a compilation of selections from various Joni Mitchell's albums, she being a multi-genre singer/songwriter. In any event, It would have to hit both the folk and pop charts.
On the other hand, The Debut topped the Billboard Classical chart as did her previous albums. It must have been considered to contain "some element of classical in the mix". The album is acknowledged among her other albums, representing her as the Classical Crossover artist she has been known to be throughout her career. Classical Crossover offers greater opportunity for creative freedom and exploration than any other genre. It is evident in Jackie's broad and diversified repertoire as a CC artist. I consider Carousel of Time to be part of her continued exploration, not the end of her identity as a CC artist.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 0:15:04 GMT -5
The vast list of Billboard charts does not include a "Crossover" chart as such. Rather it lists charts that are genre-specific such as Christian Crossover, Jazz Crossover, Rock Crossover, Country Crossover, etc. For example, Country Crossover songs, by definition, "are songs considered country by genre, but pop audiences embraced them and took them into the top 10 on the Billboard Hot 100......Patsy Cline's "Crazy", Roger Miller's "King of the Road", and Charle Rich's "The Most Beautiful Girl", etc. By definition: "Crossover music refers to music recordings or performers with broad audience appeal and chart success. This classification applies to recordings from any genre that achieves mainstream success on more than one music industry chart (country and pop for example) that tracks songs or albums in a particular music genre or musical style." Unless or until Jackie achieves success in the mainstream with an album that qualifies under one of the Crossover categories, she will not be acknowledged a Crossover artist. Carousel of Time has not qualified for entry under any crossover category. Having hit the Folk Albums chart, COT might be considered folk, but it isn't really a folk album, rather a compilation of selections from various Joni Mitchell's albums, she being a multi-genre singer/songwriter. In any event, It would have to hit both the folk and pop charts. On the other hand, The Debut topped the Billboard Classical chart as did her previous albums. It must have been considered to contain "some element of classical in the mix". The album is acknowledged among her other albums, representing her as the Classical Crossover artist she has been known to be throughout her career. Classical Crossover offers greater opportunity for creative freedom and exploration than any other genre. It is evident in Jackie's broad and diversified repertoire as a CC artist. I consider Carousel of Time to be part of her continued exploration, not the end of her identity as a CC artist. Independent thinking is better than searching the Internet. Jackie is not the classic part in CC. She is the Pop or crossover part. Jackie's identity is not CC. That is an insult. Jackie's only identity is herself.Why do you want to lock up Jackie, do you hate Jackie or whatever. Jackie doesn't want to be pressed into the CC genre , that's the only truth. You are deliberately working against Jackie here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 4:55:27 GMT -5
Jackie performs with a jazz trio and calls the concerts "Jackie sings Joni" (a typical jazz expression), Jackie says she does jazz now and her "great" fans don't understand anything. Jackie's "great" fans still reduce Jackie to CC and her old stuff. There are really "great" fans here in this forum.
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Post by lawrence on Feb 21, 2023 17:13:12 GMT -5
Jackie says she does jazz now Age 12 What a Wonderful World (Louis Armstrong) Age 13 Le Vie en Rose (Edith Pilaf) Age 19 Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend (Carol Channing) Age 19 Back to Black (Amy Winehouse)
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Post by msims on Feb 22, 2023 23:48:51 GMT -5
The vast list of Billboard charts does not include a "Crossover" chart as such. Billboard has always had a Classical Crossover Chart but its available for subscription only. Its a bad error by label and billboard to only include her on Current Albums and none of the categories.
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