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Post by lawrence on Jun 18, 2022 9:45:49 GMT -5
When Jackie was 10,11,12,13,14 she had duets with many great singers and each and every time Jackie was note for note with them. IMHO she was actually better than the 'great' singer... Barbra, Sarah, Sumi, Tony, Peter. Her voice was like Bel Canto...over the top of the 'star'. This was especially true on the Somewhere duet We might qualify the phrase, "Bel-Canto...over the top of the star" with a description of Bel-Canto: A vocal style had developed in the 1800s by the Castrati, and a hundred years later it was miss-named "Bel-Canto", which is widely criticized as "all skill and no emotion". That new label was perpetuated by the opera community. From the beginning, Bel-Canto has meant "The Epitome of Ethereal, Beautiful Singing". Other examples are "Voice of an Angel" -evoking tears and goosebumps", and with regard to arias: "Lifts ones spirit to a higher place". -resource, Voice Types 1 -Zulu to Jackie Evancho. Jackie has always been a Bel-Canto soprano by the proper definition and it's original meaning. It's been said that Jackie, having a "pure opera voice", as documented, would not duet well with a pop voice....that is, a "lesser pop voice than Barbra's". David Foster recognized that rare combination would be very successful, having produced for both Barbra and Jackie, fortunately then having bought us this unprecedented, one in a million duet... a 10-year old and a megastar.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 11:26:59 GMT -5
When Jackie was 10,11,12,13,14 she had duets with many great singers and each and every time Jackie was note for note with them. IMHO she was actually better than the 'great' singer... Barbra, Sarah, Sumi, Tony, Peter. Her voice was like Bel Canto...over the top of the 'star'. This was especially true on the Somewhere duet We might qualify the phrase, "Bel-Canto...over the top of the star" with a description of Bel-Canto: A vocal style had developed in the 1800s by the Castrati, and a hundred years later it was miss-named "Bel-Canto", which is widely criticized as "all skill and no emotion". That new label was perpetuated by the opera community. From the beginning, Bel-Canto has meant "The Epitome of Ethereal, Beautiful Singing". Other examples are "Voice of an Angel" -evoking tears and goosebumps", and with regard to arias: "Lifts ones spirit to a higher place". -resource, Voice Types 1 -Zulu to Jackie Evancho. Jackie has always been a Bel-Canto soprano by the proper definition and it's original meaning. It's been said that Jackie, having a "pure opera voice", as documented, would not duet well with a pop voice....that is, a "lesser pop voice than Barbra's". David Foster recognized that rare combination would be very successful, having produced for both Barbra and Jackie, fortunately then having bought us this unprecedented, one in a million duet... a 10-year old and a megastar. Someone who uses the tone order A3, B3, 1/1 tone to C3, D3, E3, 1/2 tone to F3, G3, A4 should not make any statements about a voice. I'll tell you again Here are the tones of an octave in its right order : C - cis - D - dis - E - F - fis - G - gis - A - ais - H . I will explain it to you until you understand it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 11:32:41 GMT -5
Could someone please explain to this ignorant lawrence where an octave begins and where it ends. This gentleman claims he has a music education and does not know it.
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Post by rlhamil on Jun 18, 2022 11:44:49 GMT -5
Unfortunately it was not included on the "Dream With Me" album, and she has never performed it live. Not verbatim, but Lisa had said that DF had her do so many takes of DB to get it exactly as he wanted, to the point that Jackie was sick of it, so that if she had to sing it again, she'd need a rubber room. A song with a melody obviously also derived from Londonderry Aire ( not London Derrière! ) is "You Raise Me Up"; that'd at least be less depressing that Danny Boy (if you pay any attention to the lyrics). More distant, but also positive rather than depressing would be "Wind Beneath My Wings". AFAIK Jackie has never done either of those...hopefully NOT because the Danny Boy experience spoiled them for her too.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 18, 2022 12:59:29 GMT -5
Could someone please explain to this ignorant lawrence where an octave begins and where it ends. This gentleman claims he has a music education and does not know it. An octave begins with ANY note and ends with the same note....A to A is an octave, B to B is an octave, etc. Very simple, an octave is 8 notes. A, b, c, d, e, f, g, A, b, c, etc. C1 is the first note of the first octave designated on the keyboard for musicians. It's the white key followed by two black keys, then another white key...on up to C7. C octaves do not designate voice ranges such as A3-A5 (two octaves). They are only references. If you insist upon arguing, please take this to another thread. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 13:10:19 GMT -5
Could someone please explain to this ignorant lawrence where an octave begins and where it ends. This gentleman claims he has a music education and does not know it. An octave begins with ANY note and ends with the same note....A to A is an octave, B to B is an octave, etc. Very simple, an octave is 8 notes. C1 is the first note of the first octave designated on the keyboard for musicians. It's the white key followed by two black keys, then another white key...on up to C7 . They do not designate voice ranges such as A3-A5 (two octaves). If you insist upon arguing, please take this to another thread. Thank you. I will not discuss anywhere else. What kind of garbage are you telling. Of course, the division of the vocal ranges is based on the same system as the Klavíer. there is no other system. a3 is the same frequency in the voice as on the piano. Jackie didn't record a C6 because she can't sing C6. Jackie can sing the mezzo range a3 - a5 and the alto range f3 -f5 but not the soprano range.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 18, 2022 13:17:33 GMT -5
I will not discuss anywhere else. What kind of garbage are you telling. Of course, the division of the vocal ranges is based on the same system as the Klavíer. there is no other system. a3 is the same frequency in the voice as on the piano. Jackie didn't record a C6 because she can't sing C6. Jackie can sing the mezzo range a3 - a5 and the alto range f3 -f5 but not the soprano range. You quoted me before I completed my editing to make it more understandable for you. Please read my edited reply to you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 13:27:52 GMT -5
You don't need to explain it, you don't know. Here Johnny mathis he sings you the right order.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 13:39:40 GMT -5
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Post by lawrence on Jun 18, 2022 13:59:47 GMT -5
You don't need to explain it, you don't know Apparently I do. Maybe this will make it clear: This image shows the vocal ranges in relation to the piano. The colored bars across the top are the C octaves, 1 thru 7. The vocal ranges are designated at the bottom as they relate to the C octaves: tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.AntCi0WPAmukBYd1qYchZgHaCn&pid=Api&P=0&w=543&h=191 An octave is 8 ("octave" means 8) consecutive notes anywhere on the keyboard, such as A to A, B to B, C to C, etc. It's that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 14:25:24 GMT -5
You don't need to explain it, you don't know Apparently I do. Maybe this will make it clear: This image shows the vocal ranges in relation to the piano. The colored bars across the top are the C octaves, 1 thru 7. The vocal ranges are designated at the bottom as they relate to the C octaves: tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.AntCi0WPAmukBYd1qYchZgHaCn&pid=Api&P=0&w=543&h=191 An octave is 8 ("octave" means 8) consecutive notes anywhere on the keyboard, such as A to A, B to B, C to C, etc. It's that simple. Maybe this will make it clear: pink is contralto . green is mezzo and orange is soprano Red is Jackie`s voice range , you can see Jackie can sing contralto and mezzo but not soprano.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 14:42:26 GMT -5
You don't need to explain it, you don't know Apparently I do. Maybe this will make it clear: This image shows the vocal ranges in relation to the piano. The colored bars across the top are the C octaves, 1 thru 7. The vocal ranges are designated at the bottom as they relate to the C octaves: tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.AntCi0WPAmukBYd1qYchZgHaCn&pid=Api&P=0&w=543&h=191 An octave is 8 ("octave" means 8) consecutive notes anywhere on the keyboard, such as A to A, B to B, C to C, etc. It's that simple. It's interesting, you post a picture to prove to me that I'm right.
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Post by lawrence on Jun 18, 2022 14:47:28 GMT -5
Red is Jackie`s voice range , you can see Jackie can sing contralto and mezzo but not soprano. You said I don't know where an octave begins or ends. I have explained it and given you a chart. You have not acknowledged that you understand. Now you want to debate Jackie's voice range. We have discussed that in the thread you created, "Jackie's Voice Typ". Please take your argument there where you left off. This thread is a discussion on the subject of "YouTube Reactions of Jackie Evancho".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 15:07:37 GMT -5
Red is Jackie`s voice range , you can see Jackie can sing contralto and mezzo but not soprano. You said I don't know where an octave begins or ends. I have explained it and given you a chart. You have not acknowledged that you understand. Now you want to debate Jackie's voice range. We have discussed that in the thread you created, "Jackie's Voice Typ". Please take your argument there where you left off. This thread is a discussion on the subject of "YouTube Reactions of Jackie Evancho". You sent a picture that shows exactly what I'm telling you all along, it shows that what you said was wrong. I have known this picture for years. You should go to the right thread and answer my last comment. you stopped Not me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 15:36:06 GMT -5
When Jackie was 10,11,12,13,14 she had duets with many great singers and each and every time Jackie was note for note with them. IMHO she was actually better than the 'great' singer... Barbra, Sarah, Sumi, Tony, Peter. Her voice was like Bel Canto...over the top of the 'star'. This was especially true on the Somewhere duet We might qualify the phrase, "Bel-Canto...over the top of the star" with a description of Bel-Canto: A vocal style had developed in the 1800s by the Castrati, and a hundred years later it was miss-named "Bel-Canto", which is widely criticized as "all skill and no emotion". That new label was perpetuated by the opera community. From the beginning, Bel-Canto has meant "The Epitome of Ethereal, Beautiful Singing". Other examples are "Voice of an Angel" -evoking tears and goosebumps", and with regard to arias: "Lifts ones spirit to a higher place". -resource, Voice Types 1 -Zulu to Jackie Evancho. Jackie has always been a Bel-Canto soprano by the proper definition and it's original meaning. It's been said that Jackie, having a "pure opera voice", as documented, would not duet well with a pop voice....that is, a "lesser pop voice than Barbra's". David Foster recognized that rare combination would be very successful, having produced for both Barbra and Jackie, fortunately then having bought us this unprecedented, one in a million duet... a 10-year old and a megastar. The original bel canto singing has nothing to do with what jackie sings, jackie can't stand it. In general, bel canto really just means a beautiful voice, and this applies to every reasonably good singer. Jackie's voice is nothing special.It's what jackie does with her voice, her emotional delivery and her understanding of songs. Jackie does not sing trills, embellishments, etc. Jackie can sing beautifully, but can also sing dirty.
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