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Post by agog on Nov 25, 2018 20:40:51 GMT -5
I tend to agree with your attitude that certain members of Team Evancho should have exited stage left a long time ago. Let the parents be the parents, and leave everything else to the professionals. While I can't disagree with your position overall, I can't think where Jackie has benefited from what limited "professional" guidance she has had, Sony/Dfoz for DWM and DWMIC and Sony for SFSS. Neither "The Hit Man" at the wane of his career nor Sony, the cold formulaic corporation, had any creative direction for Jackie that took into consideration her uniqueness as a singer whose gift is extraordinary vocal beauty. Jackie didn't need a Dfoz to make a hit of DWM. Any competent producer would have had the same near great results with little Jackie singing the cream of CC standards with orchestration behind her. Perhaps Dfoz, with his reputation, was able to arrange more and better promo appearances, idk. CC was fading fast when DWM was released. Jackie caught the very tail of it's popularity with DWM. Oh if she'd been singing when Charlotte Church was cranking out platinum sales album after album. Sigh... And Sony! They didn't come up with one original idea for Jackie with SFSS. Grey flannel bean counters and low to mid level "creative" people and producers came up with American Songbook Standards from movie musicals. That genre was more faded and dated than CC. I think they used a flow chart of some kind. Sony saw Jackie's gift but had no idea how to exploit it. All of which leaves ol' agog thinking Jackie needs a songwriting and producer team that has spotted her talent and has a vision FOR JACKIE. A team that has songs that need an incredible voice like Jackie's. There's only one young person who sings like Jackie and that's Jackie. Surely there's an aspiring writer out there who could team with that voice to bring beauty and emotion and class to the concert stage and even the airwaves. I hope they find each other. Is Jackie open to give a listen to aspiring songwriters? Does she ever? Idk. Maybe the "wall of unaproachability" is still too solid.
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Post by robinb on Nov 25, 2018 23:28:37 GMT -5
I appreciate your analysis Agog. Jackie continues to remind me of Karen Carpenter, in many ways. Karen might never have achieved her level without her brother Richard Carpenter, a musical genius in his own right. Maybe Jackie needs to find the right partner, among other convergences of time and opportunity. The potential is there. If it happened, she would have multiple chart topping popular hits. Alternatively, she might be happy with her current level at this time. Only time will tell, her story has a ways to go yet.
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Post by ursus on Nov 26, 2018 3:15:02 GMT -5
I appreciate your analysis Agog. Jackie continues to remind me of Karen Carpenter, in many ways. Karen might never have achieved her level without her brother Richard Carpenter, a musical genius in his own right. Maybe Jackie needs to find the right partner, among other convergences of time and opportunity. The potential is there. If it happened, she would have multiple chart topping popular hits. Alternatively, she might be happy with her current level at this time. Only time will tell, her story has a ways to go yet. After her singing, the second thing which comes to my mind about Karen Carpenter is anorexia. I hope that was not one of the "many ways" you are referring to. Although one can't tell what will happen in the future, JME does not appear to be a candidate for anorexia to me.
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Post by robinb on Nov 26, 2018 5:02:20 GMT -5
After her singing, the second thing which comes to my mind about Karen Carpenter is anorexia. I hope that was not one of the "many ways" you are referring to. Although one can't tell what will happen in the future, JME does not appear to be a candidate for anorexia to me. No she does not, thank goodness, but there are many pitfalls to avoid. Documentaries suggest that Karen Carpenter was not happy with the overwhelming schedule and non-stop commitment of being at the top. Maybe the lesson is that personal space and happiness is key. May Jackie always be happy, whatever that means for her.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Dec 1, 2018 0:25:46 GMT -5
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Post by ursus on Dec 1, 2018 3:58:57 GMT -5
What is new about this? Jackie was in the lineup from the start.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Dec 1, 2018 4:36:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 8:45:04 GMT -5
What is new about this? Jackie was in the lineup from the start. I think the reason for these articles is that a few weeks ago, there were several articles that said 50 people were competing, but only listed 25 of them. Now they're listing the rest of them.
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Dec 1, 2018 10:41:01 GMT -5
I appreciate your analysis Agog. Jackie continues to remind me of Karen Carpenter, in many ways. Karen might never have achieved her level without her brother Richard Carpenter, a musical genius in his own right. Maybe Jackie needs to find the right partner, among other convergences of time and opportunity. The potential is there. If it happened, she would have multiple chart topping popular hits. Alternatively, she might be happy with her current level at this time. Only time will tell, her story has a ways to go yet. After her singing, the second thing which comes to my mind about Karen Carpenter is anorexia. I hope that was not one of the "many ways" you are referring to. Although one can't tell what will happen in the future, JME does not appear to be a candidate for anorexia to me. No. If anything, she's looks as though she's gained a pound or two lately.
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Dec 1, 2018 10:56:01 GMT -5
Because of her history with AGT from her first appearance and then with three guest appearances, I'm sure Jackie felt obligated to participate. I doubt she had great expectations, considering competition with successful past and recent winners and new attractions. After all, it's been eight years since Jackie had her day (as a runner-up). It came down to Jackie's performance which didn't take her forward. That's the way it is. Let's not make judgments and start another round of blaming. It's not a career-breaking event, unless you want to convince yourself it is. Just move forward with her, offering your support and encouragement. Jackie isn't going to have some great revelation and suddenly change her management structure as some of you would want. Maybe it's time to let go of the resentments and animosity and quit expecting Jackie to be a super star and blaming her parents because she hasn't met your expectations. Be a fan, buy her albums and attend her concerts when you can. She's young, adventurous and loves to sing, with an extraordinarily beautiful voice and will always have something to offer. Just appreciate it and be there for her. This sounds fine on paper, like the old saying goes, but again if these reports are true, she would have been much better off skipping this whole competition. Right now this sounds like a step backwards, not a step moving forward. Oh well, on to her new album release date whenever that is officially going to be. I think that was the point. Jackie plans her "new album release". It was seen by her management team as prime time exposure on a major network and was hoped it would increase sales. And may still. I don't believe Jackie or her family feel any obligation to Got Talent or Simon Cowell. Lisa made that abundantly clear 8 years ago. The attitude then was that they were lucky to have her. Naive and shortsighted in the extreme, but they'd just been rescued from financial ruin, so I suppose the giddiness was understandable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 12:24:31 GMT -5
This sounds fine on paper, like the old saying goes, but again if these reports are true, she would have been much better off skipping this whole competition. Right now this sounds like a step backwards, not a step moving forward. Oh well, on to her new album release date whenever that is officially going to be. I think that was the point. Jackie plans her "new album release". It was seen by her management team as prime time exposure on a major network and was hoped it would increase sales. And may still. I don't believe Jackie or her family feel any obligation to Got Talent or Simon Cowell. Lisa made that abundantly clear 8 years ago. The attitude then was that they were lucky to have her. Naive and shortsighted in the extreme, but they'd just been rescued from financial ruin, so I suppose the giddiness was understandable. Unfortunately, Lisa at times should have thought things out a bit more before talking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 13:54:42 GMT -5
I think that was the point. Jackie plans her "new album release". It was seen by her management team as prime time exposure on a major network and was hoped it would increase sales. And may still. I don't believe Jackie or her family feel any obligation to Got Talent or Simon Cowell. Lisa made that abundantly clear 8 years ago. The attitude then was that they were lucky to have her. Naive and shortsighted in the extreme, but they'd just been rescued from financial ruin, so I suppose the giddiness was understandable. Unfortunately, Lisa at times should have thought things out a bit more before talking. Lisa, and Jackie, probably thought that the result would be better than we've been led to believe, and considering Jackie's success, that would be understandable. I would have expected her to go further too. Would Jackie have competed if she knew the result? I doubt it. Yes, she'll get to sing a song on prime time tv, and IF her album has been released by then, and IF they mention it, it'll get some PR. Otherwise why bother. I don't really understand why those who've had success already would participate at all. Darci, who we're led to believe won, needs that PR like a hole in her head, her career is already on fire, she's touring like crazy and has a Prime Time Christmas Special. I think the show should have been geared to very talented people who need a second shot at a career.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 14:24:31 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Lisa at times should have thought things out a bit more before talking. Lisa, and Jackie, probably thought that the result would be better than we've been led to believe, and considering Jackie's success, that would be understandable. I would have expected her to go further too. Would Jackie have competed if she knew the result? I doubt it. Yes, she'll get to sing a song on prime time tv, and IF her album has been released by then, and IF they mention it, it'll get some PR. Otherwise why bother. I don't really understand why those who've had success already would participate at all. Darci, who we're led to believe won, needs that PR like a hole in her head, her career is already on fire, she's touring like crazy and has a Prime Time Christmas Special. I think the show should have been geared to very talented people who need a second shot at a career. I think the show should have been open to only the finalist from previous world wide AGT shows that didn't win.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Dec 2, 2018 2:16:23 GMT -5
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Dec 3, 2018 3:54:25 GMT -5
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