|
Post by german on Nov 27, 2017 23:27:35 GMT -5
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 0:20:31 GMT -5
I don't like Elvis' version either because I still find this song blah. Just to be contrarian, Cer, I love Danny Boy, whoever sings it. So there. Sentiment is me. And it's a staple in Irish pubs, particularly as the night wears on. I can just imagine after a few cold ones there that DB is a rather popular song. :-)
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 9:31:08 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit. Jackie starts singing at :34 and ends 1st verse at about 2:20. The verse is 32 measures in 4/4 time (128beats), which she covers in about 106 seconds, iow 14 seconds shy of 2 minutes. That means she's singing at around 72 beats per minute, which is the average resting heart rate of an adult.
My relay load just came in so I need to andante out of here, lol.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 11:37:24 GMT -5
Amazing that Danny Boy, and Jackie's version of it, excite such a wide variety of responses. Just goes to show you, different people hear music differently, and like different things. I hope we can continue to discuss subjective matters without getting hot under the collar when people disagree, and escalating language. I never was a big fan of DB, but the discussion made me listen to it a few times, when without it I probably wouldn't have, and I did find some things to appreciate about it. I'm still quite amazed, however, at other peoples' great enthusiasm for it.
To me, it illustrates this listening subjectivity again, others' great liking for Jackie's Your Love. It's the one song on Awakening I have never been able to appreciate (I can't believe I'm saying this) Jackie's version of- hers can not banish from my mind the version by Dulce Pontes, which is so satisfying to me, I have not bothered to try any of the other dozens of versions on YT. (except Janeckova's wordless version that came long before Jackie's)
I by no means have anything like perfect pitch, relative or otherwise. I can't hear the off-pitch strings in Attesa that godslittletrumpet referred to. But I imagine Jackie's right-on pitch adds to the effect she has on me, even if I'm not specifically conscious of it. And, my imperfect ear might just enable me to enjoy more, some of the live versions of Jackie's earlier songs with sometimes rough pick-up orchestras that people who are not musical ignoramuses have criticized. And Jackie's live performances are my special joy, the developed and immediate way she addresses songs some time after her CD recordings of them. The accompaniment is very much in the background for me when I'm listening to Jackie sing. Though I must say, a sensitive accompaniment does add much to the complete effect. In which regard I would mention Peter's piano accompaniment to the Longwood duet Say Something.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 12:13:53 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit. Jackie starts singing at :34 and ends 1st verse at about 2:20. The verse is 32 measures in 4/4 time (128beats), which she covers in about 106 seconds, iow 14 seconds shy of 2 minutes. That means she's singing at around 72 beats per minute, which is the average resting heart rate of an adult. My relay load just came in so I need to andante out of here, lol. Ah andante. That's how I like my spasghetti or basquetti. Never could spell Italian. Now that's funny, I don't care who you are, that's funny. (Per Larry the Cable Guy.)
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 13:33:59 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit. Jackie starts singing at :34 and ends 1st verse at about 2:20. The verse is 32 measures in 4/4 time (128beats), which she covers in about 106 seconds, iow 14 seconds shy of 2 minutes. That means she's singing at around 72 beats per minute, which is the average resting heart rate of an adult. My relay load just came in so I need to andante out of here, lol. Ah andante. That's how I like my spasghetti or basquetti. Never could spell Italian. Now that's funny, I don't care who you are, that's funny. (Per Larry the Cable Guy.) Haha! Jackie's DB is at Adagio pace, which is what we truckers feel like starting from a stoplight. Andante is just a little faster, moderately slow. What the .... does that mean? Lol! That's funny that my little play made you think of al dente. Good job!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 13:53:10 GMT -5
Amazing that Danny Boy, and Jackie's version of it, excite such a wide variety of responses. Just goes to show you, different people hear music differently, and like different things. I hope we can continue to discuss subjective matters without getting hot under the collar when people disagree, and escalating language. I never was a big fan of DB, but the discussion made me listen to it a few times, when without it I probably wouldn't have, and I did find some things to appreciate about it. I'm still quite amazed, however, at other peoples' great enthusiasm for it. To me, it illustrates this listening subjectivity again, others' great liking for Jackie's Your Love. It's the one song on Awakening I have never been able to appreciate (I can't believe I'm saying this) Jackie's version of- hers can not banish from my mind the version by Dulce Pontes, which is so satisfying to me, I have not bothered to try any of the other dozens of versions on YT. (except Janeckova's wordless version that came long before Jackie's) I by no means have anything like perfect pitch, relative or otherwise. I can't hear the off-pitch strings in Attesa that godslittletrumpet referred to. But I imagine Jackie's right-on pitch adds to the effect she has on me, even if I'm not specifically conscious of it. And, my imperfect ear might just enable me to enjoy more, some of the live versions of Jackie's earlier songs with sometimes rough pick-up orchestras that people who are not musical ignoramuses have criticized. And Jackie's live performances are my special joy, the developed and immediate way she addresses songs some time after her CD recordings of them. The accompaniment is very much in the background for me when I'm listening to Jackie sing. Though I must say, a sensitive accompaniment does add much to the complete effect. In which regard I would mention Peter's piano accompaniment to the Longwood duet Say Something. First time I heard "Your Love" was Haley's version where she collaborated with the composer on Paradisio. I had never seen the movie before. I think the vocalization arrangement fits the movie more than with words. And I think adding too much emotion to the word version goes against what was shown in the movie. They are meant to be suppressed. At first I had wished Jackie had done what Haley did. Especially after comparing their Ave Maria's. I can't listen to HW version of AM anymore without cringing because Jackie makes her sound like an amateur. But I have actually grown to love Jackie's YL. If I haven't listened to it in a while, it can sometimes bring me to tears when I do, it's so beautiful. And I like it without the over emoting since I think it captures the character in the movie more. Just my humble opinion. I appreciate all you had to say and agree, we should not let these minor disagreements cause dssension. It's ok about not hearing the flat strings at the end of Attesa. I didn't catch until after several close listens. It's very minor and like I said, the average person isn't going to hear it. But I did confirm it with a tuning app and when I saw that Jackie's B5 was breathtakingly perfect, I started getting tears in my eyes because of the wonder of it all.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 11:50:33 GMT -5
To Schrodinger:
I'm waiting to be loaded, so thought I would share a few thoughts on "Your Love".
Imho, I see no need to apologise for preferring DP's version over Jackie's while being a big fan of JE.
It's a beautiful rendition. I don't know how old she was when singing this, but that definitely gives her an advantage to Jackie at 13/14. She is able to give nuances that come with age.
I also prefer the musical arrangement (done by the master, EM, himself)on this version along with Haley Westenra's version. So now we have 2 things working against Jackie's version.
The third thing working against Jackie is for whatever reason they/she chose the words over "ahh..". I think the ah...ing fits the music more, and even after I saw most of the movie not too long ago for the first time. The words box in the feelings that the ahs leave up to the listener to interpret.
Please don't misunderstand what I'm about to say. I really don't listen to music with the intent of finding all the little faults. I guess it's one of the downsides of having a better than average sense of hearing.
I immediately picked up the straining in DP voice when she "reached" for those high notes. This also caused her to go off pitch several times. I'm sorry, it's just what I hear. Not trying to be picky.
After I got done listening to her version, I went to Jackie's immediately to get a fresh comparison. What I did not expect was the goosebumps I got from listening to Jackie's. Jackie didn't have the emotional nuances that DP had, but what she did have makes her version compelling to me. Imho, Jackie has the more beautiful tone in voice. She's always pitch perfect on every note and effortlessly floats to the high notes.
My fantasy version would be Jackie ah..ing with Ennio Morricone's arrangement to accompany her.
Here's the fist version I heard before even seeing the movie.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 14:28:54 GMT -5
At service plaza on PA Turnpike near Allentown waiting for traffic jam to clear. Been out all month spending birthday and Thanksgiving alone. Current load will take me back home even though should have been home Monday. Just got done talking with wife and her telling me how she's spending "our" money on Christmas gifts, lol.
I mentioned the above to set the mood I'm in right now. I decided to give DP's version another listen to be fair to her. What I perceived as off pitch was indeed very minor, hardly worth mentioning. She still doesn't give me goosebumps even though the instrumentation and Melody are gorgeous. I asked myself what is it that I find so compelling about Jackie's?
So back to Jackie's version I went. Aha! It's the way she attacks those high notes so softly. None of this belting that many singers do to express emotions. The goosebumps came out,lol. And because I was already having a pity party, my eyes got moist, too. Lol!
Now you know why I included the first paragraph. 😉
|
|