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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 18:28:18 GMT -5
Elvis's interpretation actually made me laugh and quickly move on. These are fighting words. Elvis was the greatest voice of the 20th century. I don't know if you are talking about the 1959 home recording or the 1976 studio version. Both are superior to Jackie's version. How can I say this? Jackie's version is too slow, it has that godawful trumpet blaring, and they changed the lyrics. They weren't true to the song. I don't know if you are aware of it, but Danny Boy wasn't released with DWM. It was available only at Jackie's website and you had to purchase a second digital copy of DWM to get it. Mike thought that was a good idea. He was wrong. Danny Boy is really a minor work of Jackie's. If you want to hear Jackie at her very best listen to Ombra Mai Fu, Lovers, Nessun Dorma (the DWM version), OMBC, or even Angel. I don't know about Elvis having the greatest voice of the 20th century, but he was one the greatest entertainers of that century.
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Post by ursus on Nov 19, 2017 19:30:32 GMT -5
Elvis's interpretation actually made me laugh and quickly move on. These are fighting words. Elvis was the greatest voice of the 20th century. I don't know if you are talking about the 1959 home recording or the 1976 studio version. Both are superior to Jackie's version. How can I say this? Jackie's version is too slow, it has that godawful trumpet blaring, and they changed the lyrics. They weren't true to the song. I don't know if you are aware of it, but Danny Boy wasn't released with DWM. It was available only at Jackie's website and you had to purchase a second digital copy of DWM to get it. Mike thought that was a good idea. He was wrong. Danny Boy is really a minor work of Jackie's. If you want to hear Jackie at her very best listen to Ombra Mai Fu, Lovers, Nessun Dorma (the DWM version), OMBC, or even Angel. Danny Boy is a minor work only in the sense that she never sang it in concert. IMHO her rendition of it is as good as her rendition of most anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 20:43:42 GMT -5
Elvis's interpretation actually made me laugh and quickly move on. These are fighting words. Elvis was the greatest voice of the 20th century. I don't know if you are talking about the 1959 home recording or the 1976 studio version. Both are superior to Jackie's version. How can I say this? Jackie's version is too slow, it has that godawful trumpet blaring, and they changed the lyrics. They weren't true to the song. I don't know if you are aware of it, but Danny Boy wasn't released with DWM. It was available only at Jackie's website and you had to purchase a second digital copy of DWM to get it. Mike thought that was a good idea. He was wrong. Danny Boy is really a minor work of Jackie's. If you want to hear Jackie at her very best listen to Ombra Mai Fu, Lovers, Nessun Dorma (the DWM version), OMBC, or even Angel. Hi Rick. Perhaps you skimmed over where I admitted that my list only confirmed that music appreciation is subjective and that it was foolish to argue over who sings what best. I have no interest in getting in a verbal "fight" with anyone on this forum, especially over Jackie. Although I'm 63, I didn't grow up on Elvis. My parents were missionaries and my dad was a highly skilled pianist and pipe organist. I grew up listening to my Dad's classical records (my choice) and Herb Alpert from one of my friends. I had limited exposure to the Carpenters, Bread, John Denver,etc. until I came to the US after HS. So please don't be offended when I say that I find Elvis's version kind of cheesy. You like the cry in his voice. I find it funny. I also don't like country music for that same reason. They are always crying it seems, lol. My 39 y.o. son loves country. Go figure. We moved down south when he was a boy and he went to high school in redneck country, lol. I tried to get him to listen to Dormi Jesu, which I absolutely adore. He said, "Oh, that's Opera....." Are you kidding me?!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 21:12:38 GMT -5
These are fighting words. Elvis was the greatest voice of the 20th century. I don't know if you are talking about the 1959 home recording or the 1976 studio version. Both are superior to Jackie's version. How can I say this? Jackie's version is too slow, it has that godawful trumpet blaring, and they changed the lyrics. They weren't true to the song. I don't know if you are aware of it, but Danny Boy wasn't released with DWM. It was available only at Jackie's website and you had to purchase a second digital copy of DWM to get it. Mike thought that was a good idea. He was wrong. Danny Boy is really a minor work of Jackie's. If you want to hear Jackie at her very best listen to Ombra Mai Fu, Lovers, Nessun Dorma (the DWM version), OMBC, or even Angel. Danny Boy is a minor work only in the sense that she never sang it in concert. IMHO her rendition of it is as good as her rendition of most anything else. I wholeheartedly agree. I'm afraid I haven't made myself clear enough to some on this forum. The purpose of this thread was not to convince everyone here that Jackie's Danny Boy must be seen as a masterpiece. I know that music is highly subjective. I just needed an outlet to express what I was experiencing because my wife will have practically nothing to do with Jackie. I don't expect people to feel what I feel when I hear her sing this song. I already get that from my wife. I was just hoping that someone else could hear all the effort that I hear Jackie put into this song. She, above everyone else, makes it seem authentic instead of just a performance to impress people. PS edit to clarify that what I get from my wife concerning Jackie's singing is definitely not positive, except that she might go with me to her concert in Dayton next April.
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Post by jrchico on Nov 19, 2017 22:13:43 GMT -5
Danny Boy is a minor work only in the sense that she never sang it in concert. IMHO her rendition of it is as good as her rendition of most anything else. I wholeheartedly agree. I'm afraid I haven't made myself clear enough to some on this forum. The purpose of this thread was not to convince everyone here that Jackie's Danny Boy must be seen as a masterpiece. I know that music is highly subjective. I just needed an outlet to express what I was experiencing because my wife will have practically nothing to do with Jackie. I don't expect people to feel what I feel when I hear her sing this song. I already get that from my wife. I was just hoping that someone else could hear all the effort that I hear Jackie put into this song. She, above everyone else, makes it seem authentic instead of just a performance to impress people. PS edit to clarify that what I get from my wife concerning Jackie's singing is definitely not positive, except that she might go with me to her concert in Dayton next April. That's great. If seeing her live doesn't work, you may want to look into getting a new wife.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 2:23:54 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly agree. I'm afraid I haven't made myself clear enough to some on this forum. The purpose of this thread was not to convince everyone here that Jackie's Danny Boy must be seen as a masterpiece. I know that music is highly subjective. I just needed an outlet to express what I was experiencing because my wife will have practically nothing to do with Jackie. I don't expect people to feel what I feel when I hear her sing this song. I already get that from my wife. I was just hoping that someone else could hear all the effort that I hear Jackie put into this song. She, above everyone else, makes it seem authentic instead of just a performance to impress people. PS edit to clarify that what I get from my wife concerning Jackie's singing is definitely not positive, except that she might go with me to her concert in Dayton next April. That's great. If seeing her live doesn't work, you may want to look into getting a new wife. Haha! I was actually surprised she agreed to go when I told her tonight I was thinking about going but only if she came along. Her caveat was that I had to take her to this exotic Chinese concert in Knoxville this winter, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 2:58:37 GMT -5
I saw this guy sing in Charleston, SC after Hurricane Hugo in 1989. He sang Danny Boy only it was with Christian lyrics, "He looked beyond my faults" I couldn't find it on YouTube so I posted the following so you could get an idea of how it would have sounded. He would have blown all those other male singers I posted out of the water, lol.
That pianist sure was banging away, lol!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 13:48:04 GMT -5
That guy sounds like Johnny Mathis on steroids, ha! Or maybe a fusion of Mathis and Pavoratti. He also has the hand/arm thing going on like Jackie 🤗
Back to Jackie's Danny Boy:
Timbre - the characteristic quality of a sound, independent of pitch and loudness, from which it's source or manner of production can be inferred. Timbre depends on the relative strengths of the components of different frequencies, which are determined by resonance. (Taken from Dictionary.com)
I would guess that most everyone here already knew what timbre meant. But teaching taught me to not rely on those kind of assumptions.
I challenge anyone to find another Jackie song that matches her timbre in Danny Boy. I would even extend that to any other singer, regardless of sex or age.
A certain poster doesn't like the trumpet playing. I think it is exquisite to perfection. As is the arrangement, imho. I think the speed of the song is also perfect. Even more so after trudging through the various covers on YouTube. Whose idea was that, anyway? Lol
But the creme de la creme of this version is her earnest interpretation with that oh so beautiful trumpet like timbre.
In my mind, her version stands alone at the top. Going through those covers on YouTube just reinforced that idea and showed me the futility in searching any further.
If anyone disagrees, that's ok. I will pray for you. J/K 😉
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 22:32:54 GMT -5
My YouTube search wasn't completely fruitless. I love Celtic Woman and yet somehow I had never seen this clip before. Their voices are so sweet.
My first listen prompted me to give them an A. I went back to their clip to compare their pace with Jackie's. Theirs is definitely faster, but then I also realized their one fault. It's TOO sweet. It's missing that pensive sadness or melancholy that Jackie so brilliantly captures without being cheesy.
So I have to downgrade them to A- , lol. Again, I am in awe of what Jackie did. Her singular voice conveys more to me than the beautiful harmonies of the 4 in Celtic Woman. That is amazing!
I don't think it is hyperbole to declare Jackie's version a masterpiece.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 16:29:20 GMT -5
I actually saw this shortly after I first came across Jackie's Danny Boy a few months ago. I don't see how anyone can watch this without tearing up.
The tune for Danny Boy, Londonderry Air, is actually a very beautiful Melody. Otherwise why would so many singers cover it? Wikipedia listed over 12 hymns written to it.
Maybe people are sick of it because it has been worn out like a favorite garment or pair of shoes.
Did you know that "You Raise Me Up" was adapted from this tune? And that has now in a short time been covered by over 100 artists.
Jackie, has for me, rescued this song from the recycle bin. In a sense, it has become sacred to me. This was really brought home to me when I realized the mockery of the Muppets version, although funny at the time, stole something from me in subsequent listens. Could I appreciate the video below with that fresh in my memory? Don't think so! So I deleted them and regret having even watched it.
Danny Boy is foremost about a sacrificial love between parent and child and the hope that death, with all it's heartache, will some day be reversed.
I know as I listen over and over, the sacredness will return as the mockery fades away. I should have known better because years ago I came to despise the Muppets with all their mockery of well beloved children's stories that were meant to teach truths.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 23:01:43 GMT -5
Can you hear Danny Boy in this song? I used to be a HUGE fan of Josh Groban, but his version didn't touch me like this, the original and what my wife and I consider the best version. This would always bring her to tears. Amazing how it took Josh Groban to make it famous and how many other artists wanted in on the action. I guess soon, if not already, people will get tired of it.
To me, this also demonstrates the subjectivity of music. Josh has the stronger voice and way more views, but I actually like the more organic Irish feel and tenderness of Secret Garden.
This is why I can honestly say that Jackie has become number 1 in my heart as a singer and yet prefer Enya's version of "May It Be", even though Jackie has the stronger, more beautiful voice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 0:16:11 GMT -5
Oh my Goodness! I'm sitting at rest area on Ohio Turnpike waiting to relay a FedEx load and I pull up this. I started sobbing uncontrollably. I grew up listening to the MTC even though parents and I were not Mormon. This is what I call real singing and the arrangement is so, so beautiful. I think this proves what I said above about it being a very beautiful Melody.
They make me feel like I feel when I listen to Jackie's version. Because it is a choir it is not fair to say it is better than Jackie's.
I love them both equally and it proves to me the genius of Jackie to evoke in me the same feelings I get when listening to this!
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Post by ursus on Nov 22, 2017 6:24:39 GMT -5
Oh my Goodness! I'm sitting at rest area on Ohio Turnpike waiting to relay a FedEx load and I pull up this. I started sobbing uncontrollably. I grew up listening to the MTC even though parents and I were not Mormon. This is what I call real singing and the arrangement is so, so beautiful. I think this proves what I said above about it being a very beautiful Melody. They make me feel like I feel when I listen to Jackie's version. Because it is a choir it is not fair to say it is better than Jackie's. I love them both equally and it proves to me the genius of Jackie to evoke in me the same feelings I get when listening to this! I guess that everyone has different opinions. I find this version quite boring and monotonous. Basically it puts me to sleep. Other songs by the MTC are quite good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 20:40:48 GMT -5
Oh my Goodness! I'm sitting at rest area on Ohio Turnpike waiting to relay a FedEx load and I pull up this. I started sobbing uncontrollably. I grew up listening to the MTC even though parents and I were not Mormon. This is what I call real singing and the arrangement is so, so beautiful. I think this proves what I said above about it being a very beautiful Melody. They make me feel like I feel when I listen to Jackie's version. Because it is a choir it is not fair to say it is better than Jackie's. I love them both equally and it proves to me the genius of Jackie to evoke in me the same feelings I get when listening to this! I guess that everyone has different opinions. I find this version quite boring and monotonous. Basically it puts me to sleep. Other songs by the MTC are quite good. That's ok. One of my favorite songs by MTC is "Come Thou Fount". Very stirring, especially after the 4 minute mark when it kicks into high gear. The sopranos just soar on that song. If I'm in the right mood it can bring me to tears. I just heard their version of Shenandoah today. Once I got over the slight Melody change I also found it very dramatic and moving. I can see in comparison to those two that their Danny Boy can seem underwhelming. However, in the frame of mind I was last night, the beauty in the simplicity was what I needed. If you listen carefully, you can hear how the arranger, Mack Wilberg builds the song from simple to complex starting with just harp, penny whistle, and ladies in unison to full orchestra with voices singing various lovely harmonies. And he does it gradually and softly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 20:47:20 GMT -5
You are very obsessed over that song Danny Boy. Where you hear a moving song, I hear blah!
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