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Post by believer on Nov 16, 2017 21:22:05 GMT -5
I hope you don't think I was doubting your story. Your story just reminded me of the one I had heard of recently. I should have followed up but I didn't. It was just strange to me that anyone, not to mention 2 people and 2 dogs can be stranded at sea for 5 months and not appear affected. I have my own little tale, true one too. I was swept out to the ocean the first time I tried swimming in the Pacific. I thought I was ok, but the undertow caught me. I was a few hundred yards from the Manhattan beach and I couldn't get any closer to the beach no matter how hard I tried. Fortunately, two friends finally noticed and they met me with their boogie boards. The three of us muscled our way back in, kicking like we were Radio City Music Hall Rockettes, although we were nothing to look at. Well, that is, unless someone needed a good laugh
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Post by jrchico on Nov 17, 2017 0:22:13 GMT -5
I hope you don't think I was doubting your story. Your story just reminded me of the one I had heard of recently. I should have followed up but I didn't. It was just strange to me that anyone, not to mention 2 people and 2 dogs can be stranded at sea for 5 months and not appear affected. I have my own little tale, true one too. I was swept out to the ocean the first time I tried swimming in the Pacific. I thought I was ok, but the undertow caught me. I was a few hundred yards from the Manhattan beach and I couldn't get any closer to the beach no matter how hard I tried. Fortunately, two friends finally noticed and they met me with their boogie boards. The three of us muscled our way back in, kicking like we were Radio City Music Hall Rockettes, although we were nothing to look at. Well, that is, unless someone needed a good laugh Ouch. Good thing your friends were nearby. I agree about the 2 ladies and their dogs. I suspect there is a lot more to that story. I didn't think you were doubting me and i probably should have included a link to the sinking boat when i wrote the story. The girlfriend leaving is what allowed me to have my daughter move in with me on a permanent basis.
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Post by believer on Nov 17, 2017 9:28:20 GMT -5
I hope you don't think I was doubting your story. Your story just reminded me of the one I had heard of recently. I should have followed up but I didn't. It was just strange to me that anyone, not to mention 2 people and 2 dogs can be stranded at sea for 5 months and not appear affected. I have my own little tale, true one too. I was swept out to the ocean the first time I tried swimming in the Pacific. I thought I was ok, but the undertow caught me. I was a few hundred yards from the Manhattan beach and I couldn't get any closer to the beach no matter how hard I tried. Fortunately, two friends finally noticed and they met me with their boogie boards. The three of us muscled our way back in, kicking like we were Radio City Music Hall Rockettes, although we were nothing to look at. Well, that is, unless someone needed a good laugh Ouch. Good thing your friends were nearby. I agree about the 2 ladies and their dogs. I suspect there is a lot more to that story. I didn't think you were doubting me and i probably should have included a link to the sinking boat when i wrote the story. The girlfriend leaving is what allowed me to have my daughter move in with me on a permanent basis. I meant to say that reconnecting to your daughter was heart warming as well. Good for you both.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 8:48:11 GMT -5
Indulge me in sharing a funny (to me, at least) anecdote which might help a little in understanding the Jackie Effect. A couple weeks ago I was on home time and the first night back I was perusing videos on music with my wife. Couldn't do anything with Jackie in it, though. (Sigh..) I clicked on "Top 10 most beautiful songs of all time". Number 10, the first played, was Samuel Barber's "Adagio for Strings". A few seconds in, my wife exclaims, "Oh my gosh! This piece always makes me cry." For several years my church used to put on the Passion Play for Easter. The music director used the Adagio piece, or at least the last 4-5 minutes, played by the orchestra at the end of the crucifixion as Christ was being lowered from the cross and laid in his mother Mary's lap. This was a large church and weeks were spent practicing for this production. Full orchestra, full choir, and a cast of probably 200+ members. Talk about a choker-upper!
I agree that this piece tends to bring out the tears in most people that actually listen to music. Oddly enough, I did not choose it for that reason. It didn't occur to me that it might evoke tears instead of awe and wonder. Instead, I felt the piece perfectly captured what I remembered about that experience; a hushed sense of enchantment, full of drama, including danger, but most importantly, raw beauty. I just found my forgotten YouTube account and when I get back home will upload the clip that has pictures of that hike with the Adagio. PS I felt like we were Hansel and Gretel minus the cannibalistic witch. Haha!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 9:04:33 GMT -5
Getting back to Danny Boy:
Last night as I laid in my sleeper birth, I decided to start comparing as many different covers of Danny Boy with Jackie's. I think it helps to appreciate the brillance of what she and David Foster accomplished.
First off, the arrangement is just wonderful. Then you add the beautiful playing of Chris Botti and Jackie seals the deal with her unique timbre and interpretation.
I must have listened to at least a dozen famous name singers. Not all the way through, because it was obvious after a few bars that they wouldn't come close to hers. Elvis's interpretation actually made me laugh and quickly move on.
I may make a list of all the versions I have listened to (or at least, tried) that are available on YouTube.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 11:50:22 GMT -5
I'm going to list each singer I listened to with a letter grade to indicate how it affected me. After I've had enough listens I may go back and re-evaluate and group them by grades.
1) Jackie (A+) In a class all by herself!
The rest in no particular order:
2) Celtic Woman (A) I listened to this (I believe for the first time) this morning and felt like including them even though it's more than one voice. Who cannot like Celtic Woman? Very sweet, pure tones, and yet, Jackie's version, to me, is even more compelling! As beautiful as they are, they don't bring me to tears like Jackie does.
3) The Irish Tenors (B) Ok, since I gave CW a listen I felt I needed to give this group a chance, too.
Ok, no more groups for now. Lol
4) Peter Hollens (B+) I really like Peter's voice and arrangements, but don't care for when he goes into falsetto in this piece.
5) Andy Williams (B) Nice voice. Don't care for the accompaniment.
6) Daniel O'Donnell (D) Wow, an Irishman named Daniel that ruined the song for me. I first gave him a c-. I may have to give him an d-, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 13:54:43 GMT -5
I am waiting to be loaded so I have time to kill, uh... listen.
I welcome any input. If you think I need to upgrade or downgrade a singer, tell me why and if I agree, I'll edit. I would like to get as many versions as possible, so feel free to add any that I haven't covered as yet.
7) Bing Crosby (B) His voice overcomes the 40's style, which I'm not a big fan of. YMMV
8) Elvis Presley (C-) Look, I know it's Elvis, but this is so cheesy and people in the comments say it's the best, proving that music is truly subjective. Compare his blatant cries in his voice to Jackie's. His are gimmicky, whereas Jackie's are subtle and believable.
9) Judy Garland (C+ or B-) Too slow
10) Deanna Durbin (B) Vibrato too fast for my taste and tone not as sweet as Celtic or Jackie.
11) Sinead O Connor (B) Intimate but weak on the high notes.
12) Joan Baez (C+) Vibrato and song too fast.
Ok, I have to take a break and rinse out my ears by listening to the masterpiece by Jackie. Oh my....tears.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 14:43:05 GMT -5
I'm doing these as they appear on YouTube. That's why it looks so disorderly, lol.
13) Judy Collins (C) I was going to give her a B until she scooped on a high note and went off pitch a couple times.
14) Judith Durham (B) Nice. Her tone keeps me from giving her a higher grade.
15) Mahalia Jackson (C) Remember, I'm grading on how I feel when I hear the artist. She may have been a great gospel singer (never heard of her because of how and where I was my brought up), but I don't think it fits the song.
16) Jackie Wilson (D) Only pulled up his because somebody praised him in the comments. Actually, I could give him an f that's how much I hate that style. Look at me sing, aren't I cool. Uh....no
17) John McDermott (B) What a contrast to #16. I love how fans of each artist think that theirs is the best.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 15:52:21 GMT -5
This is quickly getting boring and then I pulled up...
18) Harry Belafonte (D) So slow I couldn't finish it and yet his fans were declaring it the best ever. Go figure.
19) Mario Lanza (B) A relief from #18
20) Liam McNally (B) The highest count on YouTube
And now I've come to realize what a mistake it would be to continue this ...um... research. It wasn't a total lost because it greatly reinforced in my mind how subjective our appreciation of music is and the foolishness of arguing over who is better at singing what.
Don't know how to insert YouTube clip. Maybe someone can do it for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 15:53:51 GMT -5
Getting back to Danny Boy: Last night as I laid in my sleeper birth, I decided to start comparing as many different covers of Danny Boy with Jackie's. I think it helps to appreciate the brillance of what she and David Foster accomplished. First off, the arrangement is just wonderful. Then you add the beautiful playing of Chris Botti and Jackie seals the deal with her unique timbre and interpretation. I must have listened to at least a dozen famous name singers. Not all the way through, because it was obvious after a few bars that they wouldn't come close to hers. Elvis's interpretation actually made me laugh and quickly move on. I may make a list of all the versions I have listened to (or at least, tried) that are available on YouTube. I agree with Lisa Evancho in regards to Danny Boy. I hate that song. Not Jackie's best song as well imho.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 16:29:04 GMT -5
Getting back to Danny Boy: Last night as I laid in my sleeper birth, I decided to start comparing as many different covers of Danny Boy with Jackie's. I think it helps to appreciate the brillance of what she and David Foster accomplished. First off, the arrangement is just wonderful. Then you add the beautiful playing of Chris Botti and Jackie seals the deal with her unique timbre and interpretation. I must have listened to at least a dozen famous name singers. Not all the way through, because it was obvious after a few bars that they wouldn't come close to hers. Elvis's interpretation actually made me laugh and quickly move on. I may make a list of all the versions I have listened to (or at least, tried) that are available on YouTube. I agree with Lisa Evancho in regards to Danny Boy. I hate that song. Not Jackie's best song as well imho. Which proves what I said in my post just above yours. If someone had told me 2 months ago that I would listen repeatedly to a little girl sing Danny Boy, get goosebumps, tears, and never tire of it, I would have laughed in their face. I played trumpet in HS and then my senior year, foolishly decided to switch to French Horn and major in that in college. Problem was, I didn't have the discipline to make the switch and quit after 1 semester. Now, 45 years later I'm driving a semi with a B S degree in Math Ed and an AAS degree in Auto Mechanics. I have a CD called Simplicity. A single trumpet player playing some well known hymns simply with simple accompaniment. It many times brings me to tears. Is it because I have some regrets? I think it goes deeper than that. Jackie sings Danny Boy in a different voice than any other of her songs. When it occurred to me that she was emulating the melancholy trumpet timbre (even if subconsciously) I was forever hooked. Her Danny Boy transports me to another dimension like Lucy discovering Narnia through the wardrobe.
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Post by Admin on Nov 19, 2017 16:45:01 GMT -5
Don't know how to insert YouTube clip. Maybe someone can do it for me. To insert a youtube video just post the youtube URL. That's all you have to do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 17:00:49 GMT -5
Another case in point. Some fans adore her covers of May it Be and The Way We Were. Some think her version of Enya's song is the best yet.
I was puzzled on my first listen to those 2 songs. I thought her delivery was like a lounge singer, bland. Just because she has one of the most beautiful voice in the world doesn't give her a pass on how she sings songs. I dislike Barbara Streisand's style of singing (I usually skip Jackie's duet with her on DWM album) and yet I think her delivery is better than Jackie's on TWWW.
Usually after How Great Thou Art, I skip right to Have You Ever Been in Love. If I don't, it's because I want to hear that beautiful voice, not because I enjoy the way she is singing those songs.
When I first downloaded Awakening, I would always skip over Vocalise, because it is too dissonant for my taste. I finally forced myself to listen by trying to see if I could hear any sliding between notes. She doesn't! Then I would concentrate on her vibrato. Her gorgeous voice and skill overcame my dislike for the composition. And I normally like Rachmaninoff, just not this piece.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 17:20:32 GMT -5
Don't know how to insert YouTube clip. Maybe someone can do it for me. To insert a youtube video just post the youtube URL. That's all you have to do. As you can see I figured it out, but I'm on a tablet and have to learn new tricks vs my PC.
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Post by rickolsen on Nov 19, 2017 18:14:24 GMT -5
Elvis's interpretation actually made me laugh and quickly move on. These are fighting words. Elvis was the greatest voice of the 20th century. I don't know if you are talking about the 1959 home recording or the 1976 studio version. Both are superior to Jackie's version. How can I say this? Jackie's version is too slow, it has that godawful trumpet blaring, and they changed the lyrics. They weren't true to the song. I don't know if you are aware of it, but Danny Boy wasn't released with DWM. It was available only at Jackie's website and you had to purchase a second digital copy of DWM to get it. Mike thought that was a good idea. He was wrong. Danny Boy is really a minor work of Jackie's. If you want to hear Jackie at her very best listen to Ombra Mai Fu, Lovers, Nessun Dorma (the DWM version), OMBC, or even Angel.
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