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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 14:09:00 GMT -5
I think Jackie's Danny Boy is so incredible that it deserves it's own thread. If mods disagree, then by all means, move it.
In my first post I said I could write a book about her version. That is not an exaggeration and I'm not even a writer as you can probably already tell, lol.
When I first heard her version on YouTube (sadly not able to buy a good digital reproduction), I thought it was an earlier recording than DWM because her voice was so different. She sounded kind of boyish to me and I couldn't quite put my finger on it. I saw where someone commented on how her voice melded with the trumpet. Finally, I had an epiphany (ok, that might OTT, lol). She was mimicking the gorgeous melancholy trumpet playing of Chris Botti! Now that is humorous to me because that seems to be the trump (no pun intended!) card of the Opera snobs and trolls. "She's nothing more than a mimic", they complain.
Ah yes, she does some mimicking. Don't we all? Its how nature works. But Jackie goes beyond mimicking. She gathers her musical threads from many sources through her gifted ears and weaves this beautiful tapestry through her equally gifted brain, vocal chords, and mouth.
Go back and listen carefully to the tones she's producing. I have probably listened to it over 200 times in the last few weeks and I still don't tire of it. If you cannot hear the melancholy trumpet timbre in her voice then listen carefully at about the 4:04 mark when they are in unison. She matches Chris note for note. At the word "Boy" for a split second her voice completely absorbs the trumpet tone and it sounds like he quit playing. Then on the word "side" for about 1/2 second she again absorbs Chris's trumpet playing and he's gone for that time, brief though it may be. It is stunning!
The last 3 notes where she sings "I love you so..." have got to be one of, if not thee most beautiful group of 3 notes I have ever heard in my life!
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Post by agog on Nov 13, 2017 14:25:54 GMT -5
Welcome Glt. LOL you got it bad! Not to worry, our little self help group is just where you should be. We haven't cured any of us.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 14:57:40 GMT -5
Welcome Glt. LOL you got it bad! Not to worry, our little self help group is just where you should be. We haven't cured any of us. Lol! I don't want to be cured. Just wish my wife would catch the virus. Maybe some day. She's a big fan of Enya.
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Post by jrchico on Nov 13, 2017 15:05:03 GMT -5
Welcome Glt. LOL you got it bad! Not to worry, our little self help group is just where you should be. We haven't cured any of us. Lol! I don't want to be cured. Just wish my wife would catch the virus. Maybe some day. She's a big fan of Enya. If you could take her to see Jackie live in concert she would probably be hooked.
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Post by trebor on Nov 13, 2017 15:10:23 GMT -5
Here it is for all to marvel
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Post by ursus on Nov 13, 2017 15:23:32 GMT -5
I know that Lisa has said that Jackie can't sing Danny Boy because she gets too emotional, but I would certainly love to hear her sing it again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 15:46:59 GMT -5
Lol! I don't want to be cured. Just wish my wife would catch the virus. Maybe some day. She's a big fan of Enya. If you could take her to see Jackie live in concert she would probably be hooked. That's the problem. At this point she would refuse to go and would tell me to take our son who lives about an hour from us. My job poses a challenge to me going to a concert but I will at the first opportunity. My wife's hearing is not as good as mine. She usually wants subtitles when watching a new DVD. Also, a couple months ago I paid a professional tuner $125 to tune our 1940s story and Clark piano which I had bought several years ago for $125. I had originally tuned it when I brought it home and it hadn't been tuned since then, about 2 years. My wife was getting into playing again and the out of tune didn't really bother her but it did me. I also didn't have time to tune it so I paid for the professional. He took about 30 minutes to do it and it sounded like it, too. Lol So, about 2 weeks ago when I had some home time, I made time to tune it myself. She did say it sounded better after I finished. Had to tweek it a couple times because the pins are getting loose and will go flat with any hard playing. All this to say that most people don't really listen closely. Some of it beyond their genetics. Some of it has do with their perceptions which influence what their brain thinks it hears, which has been proven scientifically. So until my wife's perception of Jackie changes, I don't think she is actually capable of hearing what I hear, sad to say.
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Post by trebor on Nov 13, 2017 15:58:39 GMT -5
Welcome Glt. LOL you got it bad! Not to worry, our little self help group is just where you should be. We haven't cured any of us. Lol! I don't want to be cured. Just wish my wife would catch the virus. Maybe some day. She's a big fan of Enya. If she is an Enya fan, you need to have her listen to Jackie singing "Only Time" at Yara's wedding.
Jackie and Enya Great!
Here is Jackie at the Wedding.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 16:03:48 GMT -5
I know that Lisa has said that Jackie can't sing Danny Boy because she gets too emotional, but I would certainly love to hear her sing it again. I have mixed feelings about her singing it again because it might be a letdown for me. In my not so humble opinion, a huge part in what makes her version an unassailable masterpiece is the timbre that she created with her voice so closely matches Chris's trumpet playing. I doubt she could do that now because of her more mature resonate Chambers. I listened to Peter Hollens version recently. Nicely done. He has a fine voice and delivery, but when he goes into falsetto it just slips into the crowd of other nice but inferior versions. I don't think anybody can touch Jackie's cover. Jackie's Danny Boy is the only song in my life that I have able to listen on repeat so many times and still not tire of it. To me, that makes it a masterpiece. You cannot fully plumb it's depths.
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Post by jrchico on Nov 13, 2017 16:15:20 GMT -5
If you could take her to see Jackie live in concert she would probably be hooked. That's the problem. At this point she would refuse to go and would tell me to take our son who lives about an hour from us. My job poses a challenge to me going to a concert but I will at the first opportunity. My wife's hearing is not as good as mine. She usually wants subtitles when watching a new DVD. Also, a couple months ago I paid a professional tuner $125 to tune our 1940s story and Clark piano which I had bought several years ago for $125. I had originally tuned it when I brought it home and it hadn't been tuned since then, about 2 years. My wife was getting into playing again and the out of tune didn't really bother her but it did me. I also didn't have time to tune it so I paid for the professional. He took about 30 minutes to do it and it sounded like it, too. Lol So, about 2 weeks ago when I had some home time, I made time to tune it myself. She did say it sounded better after I finished. Had to tweek it a couple times because the pins are getting loose and will go flat with any hard playing. All this to say that most people don't really listen closely. Some of it beyond their genetics. Some of it has do with their perceptions which influence what their brain thinks it hears, which has been proven scientifically. So until my wife's perception of Jackie changes, I don't think she is actually capable of hearing what I hear, sad to say. She might not hear what you hear but besides her voice, Jackie's stage presence is her second best selling feature and you can only get that at one of her appearances. I have been to a lot of concerts by big name artists but Jackies is the only one i have gone to see again, and again, and again, and again. Well, you get the idea.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 16:36:39 GMT -5
Lol! I don't want to be cured. Just wish my wife would catch the virus. Maybe some day. She's a big fan of Enya. If she is an Enya fan, you need to have her listen to Jackie singing "Only Time" at Yara's wedding.
Jackie and Enya Great!
Here is Jackie at the Wedding.
Sorry, that would be a disaster, lol. My wife heard "May it be" from 2 hearts and the first thing she said was, "Oh my, she butchered it!" While I don't agree with her opinion I actually think Enya does sing "her song" better than anyone else including Jackie. Enya's songs are highly processed in a studio. She has a weak/soft voice and is too shy to sing in public, i.e., tours. But, this is what appeals to many people including my wife and I don't fault them for that. Enya also has that light lilting Celtic tone which tends to have a bright timbre. Hayley Westenra's tone is way too bright (monochromatic) to me after having listened to Jackie's rich colorful tone. When I compared Jackie's Ave Maria to Hayley's version it was shocking how Jackie made Hayley sound like an ordinary high school girl singing in a thin voice. But I would never go to a YouTube clip of H.W. singing that and say so. Her fans would say that Jackie sounds too operatic. Imagine that, lol. Jackie also has a wider more pronounced vibrato. I love Jackie's vibrato. She varies it like a skilled artist varies their brush strokes. Some people prefer no or little vibrato. That's Enya.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 18:04:11 GMT -5
Here it is for all to marvel
I love every syllable she sings here. She tries to manipulate every word into that soulful trumpet timbre. Some words lend themselves to it like, "boy, side, bide, calling,...". Others not quite as easy like, "Glen, summer, gone,..." But, she still manages to pull it off. I especially love the way she sings "you" at 1:16, 3:51, 4:43 - 4:45. And....have you ever heard a more beautiful note then "so....." at the end?
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Post by rob49 on Nov 13, 2017 18:35:11 GMT -5
Here it is for all to marvel
I love every syllable she sings here. She tries to manipulate every word into that soulful trumpet timbre. Some words lend themselves to it like, "boy, side, bide, calling,...". Others not quite as easy like, "Glen, summer, gone,..." But, she still manages to pull it off. I especially love the way she sings "you" at 1:16, 3:51, 4:43 - 4:45. And....have you ever heard a more beautiful note then "so....." at the end? You have a Great ear. Over the years I gave up counting how many times I have listened to Jackie's version. You not only mention the same things I love about it, but also the very subtle things that add so much to her version, but which are impossible for all but a few to pin point and describe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 21:21:42 GMT -5
I was searching for information concerning Jackie on the 'net today and came across an article written by a trained classical singer who was experiencing some difficulty getting some recognition of her talent. She had decided to critically study Jackie's talent and quickly came to the conclusion that besides Jackie having a superb voice, she in no way mimics other artists when covering a song. Because Jackie truly understands her vocals and what she is capable of doing, she puts her uniqueness into every cover that she does .... in other words she is true to herself. This person also realized that being true to her self and bringing her own style to her music, she could easily bring her emotions into her renditions without effort and be completely natural.
She closed her article by expressing her thanks to Jackie for revealing the changes she needed to make to become more successful. Apparently after making changes the writer was able to get a position in some prestigious choir.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 11:05:05 GMT -5
I love every syllable she sings here. She tries to manipulate every word into that soulful trumpet timbre. Some words lend themselves to it like, "boy, side, bide, calling,...". Others not quite as easy like, "Glen, summer, gone,..." But, she still manages to pull it off. I especially love the way she sings "you" at 1:16, 3:51, 4:43 - 4:45. And....have you ever heard a more beautiful note then "so....." at the end? You have a Great ear. Over the years I gave up counting how many times I have listened to Jackie's version. You not only mention the same things I love about it, but also the very subtle things that add so much to her version, but which are impossible for all but a few to pin point and describe. Thank you for your kind words. I am currently an OTR truck driver (1 yr, 8 mo). Last night I stopped at 1:30 am to get fuel and do a mandatory 30 min break. Usually it's very hard to find a parking spot at a truck stop at that time of night, but there was one. I was feeling kinda sleepy and I have plenty of time to make my delivery today, so I decided to shut down. I decided to give one listen to DB before going to sleep. At 1:29 where she sings "back" I got goosebumps. This after easily more than 200 listens these last 2 months! Not only is her pitch perfect, but she has that sweet boyish trumpet timbre. And, the very subtle cry in her voice which never dips into the kitschy throughout the song. In fact, at 3:18 where she sings "heart will" she wrings the maximum amount of that cry without crossing over into that kitschy/cheesy area, imho. It is truly amazing!
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