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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 15:51:05 GMT -5
Sadly Richard none of her more ott fans can't deal with Jackie's current reality.
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Post by agog on Nov 11, 2017 16:13:04 GMT -5
Sadly Richard none of her more ott fans can't deal with Jackie's current reality. Hello cer. None of us fans, OTTers or UTBers, know what Jackie's current reality is. It's not to be found in stats or youtube hits. That's not relevant to Jackie's CC music. Or maybe it's her, so far, quiet non partying lifestyle. It's just not going to put her in the running for high social media numbers. Jackie doesn't share with her fans. Maybe it's her shy personality or maybe the parental units have put it in her head that we are dangerous. Maybe it's because she still doesn't think about what's necessary for her career. She hasn't needed to so far. Other's have done that for her. Does Jackie read music? Has she taken lessons and practiced seriously on any musical instrument? I don't know and none of us ordinary fans know either. The only thing we ordinary fans know for sure is we don't know squat. No maybe about it. Edit to add: Oh. We know she's made a lot of money. We have no reason to believe she is dissatisfied with her current situation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 16:27:31 GMT -5
Sadly Richard none of her more ott fans can't deal with Jackie's current reality. You are not going to get a record crowd of a younger audience at meet signings after singing 'How Great Thou Art', Barbara Streisand oldie moldies and opera arias. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
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Post by agog on Nov 11, 2017 16:33:01 GMT -5
Sadly Richard none of her more ott fans can't deal with Jackie's current reality. You are not going to get a record crowd of a younger audience at meet signings after singing 'How Great Thou Art', Barbara Streisand oldie moldies and opera arias. Sorry, but that's the way it is. That's true Mike. I haven't seen Jackie demonstrate she has the chops or personality for pop though. If Jackie wants a younger demographic at her concerts, and I bet she would love that, what must she do?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 16:44:02 GMT -5
It's interesting that richard registered this morning just to give us his point of view.
I recognized that cer is a loyal fan when her first posts were compliments and photos of Angelica Hale, promoting her and other singers ever since. She has been defending herself as a fan, but offering nothing of substance in support of Jackie. What are your favorite songs on any of Jackie's albums, cer? How many albums, dvds or singles do you own, if any? Do you really enjoy Jackie's music, and what do you really think of her voice? Any compliments on her personality? Do you have anything to submit that would show you admire Jackie in some significant way? A person should offer some credibility as a fan to justify his/her criticisms, in my opinion.
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Post by rogeraphil on Nov 11, 2017 16:53:54 GMT -5
I agree 100%. Perhaps Jackie is deciding that she does not want paparazzi crawling all over her from the moment she leaves her home every day. Perhaps she enjoys being able to go shopping at a store, or having a coffee at Starbucks without having fans clambering for a selfie, or an autograph. Perhaps she does not desire to be surrounded by security guards everywhere she goes. Jackie may just be content to live her life as a classy young lady, who makes a comfortable living doing what she does best --- chasing her dream, not the money !!! Maybe she dreams of having talented children whom careers she can manage without doing much work.
Seriously, I think that she enjoys most aspects off having fame. She has had it now for over 40% of her life and probably hardly remembers what life was like before people were trying to get selfies with her, etc. I suspect that she can still go to a Starbucks, in NYC, perhaps not in Pittsburgh, without having people recognize her all the time.
That's my point, maybe she is satisfied doing what she is doing, and does not need to become more famous than she already is !! I believe she will be able to make a comfortable living with her singing for as long as she desires to do it !!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 17:01:19 GMT -5
It's an unpleasant reality that there are those who are determined to diminish Jackie to irrelevance, a has-been and a failure, masquerading as fans. Their's is an insidious kind of contempt disguised as sympathetic concern for Jackie and her career, generally discouraging in nature. They're usually critical of fans who, in their opinion, are excessive in their admiration of Jackie, OTT being a favored description. Ridiculing fans is the first clue that their interest is less than supportive. Furthermore, they rarely offer anything more than ambiguity, innuendo, or conjured up facts and comparative statistics of a dispiriting nature, arguing against any positive view. I don't question the validity of the information they present, but rather I question the motivation and sincerity with which they present it. I have respect for those who are openly critical and honest about not being a fan, but not for one who poses as a fan while attempting to discourage enthusiasm for Jackie.
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Post by rob49 on Nov 11, 2017 17:05:22 GMT -5
This claim you are making, "7 years Jackie has been a professional and it is not a Part time career it never has been.", is either an incorrect opinion, or a baldface lie. Either way you are wrong. Jackie's career is both professional and Part Time. But even Part Time professional performing vocal artist needs a Full Time staff. Those you list are in no way relevant to Jackie's part time career. If you can not understand, and accept both of these facts, then there is absolutely no reason for any further communications between you and I on this topic. Jackie will have a great Full Time Career when she is ready to start it. 10 year old Jackie did want to be a big star, as popular as pop stars like Gaga. She made several comments saying as much, but Jackie never stated her time table for reaching that goal. That may still be goal she waits to reach, or maybe it's not. But her parents made it clear from the start, that it was not going to happen during their daughter's childhood. For all you expert star makers, if you have a child, or anyone else WANTING your advice, go make them a star. The Evanchos have their own plan for their FAMILY and are not interested in advice from you. They have gotten all the advise they needed from those the have requested it from.
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Post by rob49 on Nov 11, 2017 17:16:18 GMT -5
Sadly Richard none of her more ott fans can't deal with Jackie's current reality. There is nothing sad about the fact that Jackie's fans CAN deal with Jackie's "current reality", what ever that might be.
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Post by ursus on Nov 11, 2017 17:30:40 GMT -5
Jackie will have a great Full Time Career when she is ready to start it. 10 year old Jackie did want to be a big star, as popular as pop stars like Gaga. She made several comments saying as much, but Jackie never stated her time table for reaching that goal. That may still be goal she waits to reach, or maybe it's not. But her parents made it clear from the start, that it was not going to happen during their daughter's childhood. For all you expert star makers, if you have a child, or anyone else WANTING your advice, go make them a star. The Evanchos have their own plan for their FAMILY and are not interested in advice from you. They have gotten all the advise they needed from those the have requested it from. FWIW, Jackie has stated that she wants to sing for many future Presidents. She has already sung for Obama and Trump. Although she didn't specifically sing for them, Carter, Clinton, and Bush II were at the inauguration in January, as perhaps were one or more future Presidents. To continue this, she will have to keep up her career.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 17:55:27 GMT -5
You are not going to get a record crowd of a younger audience at meet signings after singing 'How Great Thou Art', Barbara Streisand oldie moldies and opera arias. Sorry, but that's the way it is. That's true Mike. I haven't seen Jackie demonstrate she has the chops or personality for pop though. If Jackie wants a younger demographic at her concerts, and I bet she would love that, what must she do? I dunno. All the concerts I have attended have looked like an AARP convention.
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Post by richard on Nov 11, 2017 19:45:16 GMT -5
Sadly Richard none of her more ott fans can't deal with Jackie's current reality. Hello cer. None of us fans, OTTers or UTBers, know what Jackie's current reality is. It's not to be found in stats or youtube hits. That's not relevant to Jackie's CC music. Or maybe it's her, so far, quiet non partying lifestyle. It's just not going to put her in the running for high social media numbers. Jackie doesn't share with her fans. Maybe it's her shy personality or maybe the parental units have put it in her head that we are dangerous. Maybe it's because she still doesn't think about what's necessary for her career. She hasn't needed to so far. Other's have done that for her. Does Jackie read music? Has she taken lessons and practiced seriously on any musical instrument? I don't know and none of us ordinary fans know either. The only thing we ordinary fans know for sure is we don't know squat. No maybe about it. Edit to add: Oh. We know she's made a lot of money. We have no reason to believe she is dissatisfied with her current situation. We can put 2 and 2 together, we know she said she moved to NYC as a career move and nothing seems to have come of it. If she was taking lessons or going to some type of school someone would have mentioned it on their social media. There have been several things that makes me think the money has dried up a lot. No more music videos and asking for donation to make a new one, Lisa asking fans to hang up posters. Trying to get a reality show (which seemed to be just the opposite of their life style in trying to hide from the public). She doesn't look happy on her instagram and even her art work looks sad. http://instagram.com/p/BaZAGlVB9_4
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 20:03:06 GMT -5
Jackie does not need to change what she does. Her peers will grow old along with her, their musical tastes will change for the better quality of music and they will appreciate what we now appreciate. Quality will always prevail. I don't know about Jackie but I still like a lot of the music I grew up with... and your taste might not be what I consider 'better quality of music'. Modern classical music is a good example.
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Post by richard on Nov 11, 2017 20:05:36 GMT -5
Maybe she dreams of having talented children whom careers she can manage without doing much work.
Seriously, I think that she enjoys most aspects off having fame. She has had it now for over 40% of her life and probably hardly remembers what life was like before people were trying to get selfies with her, etc. I suspect that she can still go to a Starbucks, in NYC, perhaps not in Pittsburgh, without having people recognize her all the time.
That's my point, maybe she is satisfied doing what she is doing, and does not need to become more famous than she already is !! I believe she will be able to make a comfortable living with her singing for as long as she desires to do it !! Jackie will always make a comfortable living, but she must do a lot more than what she is doing now if she wants to even get back to where she was 6 years ago. Jackie has bragged several times how little she has to do, sorry to tell her fans that those days are over. Now other kids are coming along doing the same things she did, and Jackie has to compete with adults as an adult.
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Post by ursus on Nov 11, 2017 20:30:05 GMT -5
That's my point, maybe she is satisfied doing what she is doing, and does not need to become more famous than she already is !! I believe she will be able to make a comfortable living with her singing for as long as she desires to do it !! Jackie will always make a comfortable living, but she must do a lot more than what she is doing now if she wants to even get back to where she was 6 years ago. Jackie has bragged several times how little she has to do, sorry to tell her fans that those days are over. Now other kids are coming along doing the same things she did, and Jackie has to compete with adults as an adult. None of those kids has a voice like Jackie's.
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