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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 11:27:36 GMT -5
Politics alert! You got that right. The senate democrats and three republicans have just defeated the attempt to repeal the ACA. My wife will have health insurance next year. Happy to see you are no longer ignoring me. But then I can be happy if you decide to again. I respect you. Congratulations upon your getting insurance. But don't hold your breath: the State giveth and the State taketh away!
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Post by jefan on Jul 28, 2017 19:21:37 GMT -5
I am truly confused about the term "transgender". There really wouldn't be an issue with with individuals who have really changed their sexual gender. The issue is with individuals who retain their original sexual organs and only "trans" where it is visible. Bruce Jenner is an example of an individual who is a hermaphrodite who still prefers a women partner but appears to be a woman. Is Bruce considered a lesbian?
Restroom and shower issues would not exist if the term "transgender" is really complete.
Juliet is truly a "transgender" individual.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 21:49:23 GMT -5
I think the uproar by some people regarding LGBTQ rights and use of washroom to be amusing in a way. I wonder how many of those being aghast at a transgender using a female washroom had no problem accepting the unisex washroom well known on the sitcom Ally McBeal. I know of several universities that have co-ed dorms and unisex washrooms. I suppose there were some parents that were not in favour of having their daughter at such a university.
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Post by agog on Jul 28, 2017 22:17:59 GMT -5
I think the uproar by some people regarding LGBTQ rights and use of washroom to be amusing in a way. I wonder how many of those being aghast at a transgender using a female washroom had no problem accepting the unisex washroom well known on the sitcom Ally McBeal. I know of several universities that have co-ed dorms and unisex washrooms. I suppose there were some parents that were not in favour of having their daughter at such a university. You watched Ally McBeal???!!! That explains a lot.
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Post by ads on Jul 28, 2017 22:58:37 GMT -5
I am truly confused about the term "transgender". .... Bruce Jenner is an example of an individual who is a hermaphrodite .....Juliet is truly a "transgender" individual. Someone call me if I'm wrong, but a hermaphrodite must have both sets of genitalia or a mix of. One Olympic female sprinter has test instead of ovaries, then there are those that have one of each and those that naturally transition at a later age. I think that a Hermaphrodite must have one of each, the other are considered inter-sex which is different from Trans in which the mind is different to the body. There is proof of all of the above in Humans Mammals are the only vertebrates that don't have species that transition naturally, some sharks, certain fish, frogs, crocodiles etc. So we are the odd ones out, yet there are these out-liers in humans and other mammals. Kind of stuffs up the whole God made man and woman thing. Doesn't mean you can't be religious and just ignore the stuff that's obviously missing. They didn't have google and youtube in those days.
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Post by jamesn on Jul 29, 2017 10:31:53 GMT -5
I am truly confused about the term "transgender". There really wouldn't be an issue with with individuals who have really changed their sexual gender. The issue is with individuals who retain their original sexual organs and only "trans" where it is visible. Bruce Jenner is an example of an individual who is a hermaphrodite who still prefers a women partner but appears to be a woman. Is Bruce considered a lesbian? Restroom and shower issues would not exist if the term "transgender" is really complete. Juliet is truly a "transgender" individual. This is a relatively new term to me as well; the trans I remember was for transvestite - members of one sex who dress as the other - which is what many of these new-age trans seem to be. And these phony or fake transsexuals (the older term I remember for someone who has undergone a sex change operation) are the ones that draw much of the legislation that objects to members of one sex mingling with those of the still-opposite sex in showers and restrooms, especially in public schools where most of this occurs.
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Post by jamesn on Jul 29, 2017 10:35:55 GMT -5
I am truly confused about the term "transgender". .... Bruce Jenner is an example of an individual who is a hermaphrodite .....Juliet is truly a "transgender" individual. Someone call me if I'm wrong, but a hermaphrodite must have both sets of genitalia or a mix of. One Olympic female sprinter has test instead of ovaries, then there are those that have one of each and those that naturally transition at a later age. I think that a Hermaphrodite must have one of each, the other are considered inter-sex which is different from Trans in which the mind is different to the body. There is proof of all of the above in Humans Mammals are the only vertebrates that don't have species that transition naturally, some sharks, certain fish, frogs, crocodiles etc. So we are the odd ones out, yet there are these out-liers in humans and other mammals... Shades of Jurassic Park!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 14:44:47 GMT -5
I am truly confused about the term "transgender". There really wouldn't be an issue with with individuals who have really changed their sexual gender. The issue is with individuals who retain their original sexual organs and only "trans" where it is visible. Bruce Jenner is an example of an individual who is a hermaphrodite who still prefers a women partner but appears to be a woman. Is Bruce considered a lesbian? Restroom and shower issues would not exist if the term "transgender" is really complete. Juliet is truly a "transgender" individual. Perhaps this will help: "Transsexuals are people who transition from one sex to another. A person born as a male can become recognizably female through the use of hormones and/or surgical procedures; and a person born as a female can become recognizably male. That said, transsexuals are unable to change their genetics and cannot acquire the reproductive abilities of the sex to which they transition. Sex is assigned at birth and refers to a person’s biological status as male or female. In other words, sex refers exclusively to the biological features: chromosomes, the balance of hormones, and internal and external anatomy. Each of us is born as either male or female, with rare exceptions of those born intersex who may display characteristics of both sexes at birth. "Transgender, unlike transsexual, is a term for people whose identity, expression, behavior, or general sense of self does not conform to what is usually associated with the sex they were born in the place they were born. It is often said sex is a matter of the body, while gender occurs in the mind. Gender is an internal sense of being male, female, or other. People often use binary terms, for instance, masculine or feminine, to describe gender just as they do when referring to sex. But gender is more complex and encompasses more than just two possibilities. Gender also is influenced by culture, class, and race because behavior, activities, and attributes seen as appropriate in one society or group may be viewed otherwise in another." Source: www.medicaldaily.com/what-difference-between-transsexual-and-transgender-facebooks-new-version-its-complicated-271389If we accept these definintions, Juliet is definitely a transsexual. Transgender is a generic term that includes transsexualism. Ms. Jenner is now a lesbian according to her present role in society, if she has had SRS. She may deny it however. Having worked in the sexology field for many years, I can tell you that sexual orientation is a tricky business. The choice of restrooms was never a problem for transsexuals until parents started sending their children to school as the opposite sex. It was a 'problem' because everyone in the faculty, student body, and parents of the students knew their history. Transgender persons, on the other hand, have always had problems because of the attention they cause, regardless of their age. When I was working in the field, transsexuals were not permitted to have surgery until the age of 21. Although it was very frustrating for the patient, it was an advantage in the long run.
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Post by ads on Jul 29, 2017 16:52:48 GMT -5
Jenner is not a Hermaphrodite, the term requires both sexual organs, in other words you must be born with them. Snails are naturally hermaphrodites, however there are human cases. www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2107085/Caroline-Kinsey-lived-man-41-years-parents-didnt-tell-shes-hermaphrodite.htmlInter-Sex includes Hermaphrodites but also includes many other categories. from chromosomes not matching the anatomy to late onset of gender development. 1 in 100 have bodies that differ to the standard male and female. not XX and Not XY are 1 in 1666 XXY are 1 in 1000 the rest of the list is here.. www.isna.org/faq/frequencyTransgender is mind and body differentiation, and is not in the above list, many of the above would fall into Trans as a result of their anatomy even some would seem to be aligned but medically would not. It is easy to understand that if the spectrum can be so mixed and varied, how the development of the brain and mind can also vary from the body. With stats like above how many people will be discharge from the US service, and how many will just hide it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 16:45:00 GMT -5
Before transgender was a word, women served as men... By Bonnie Tsui "One of the toughest military enlistments in the Civil War was served by a woman who dressed as a man. Private Albert D.J. Cashier, born Jennie Hodgers in Clogher Head, Ireland, marched thousands of miles and fought in dozens of battles and skirmishes with the 95th Illinois Infantry." "Cashier joined the regiment at the beginning of the war for a three-year term, and continued fighting until after Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox Courthouse. After mustering out, Cashier lived out the next half-century as a man, spending three years at the Soldiers’ and Sailors’ Home in Quincy, Ill., until, nearing 70, he suffered the onset of dementia and was sent to a state mental hospital. There, hospital staff discovered Cashier’s secret and forced him to wear a dress." The link takes you to the paper as a whole, and then this article will load. It's a fascinating look at a very timely topic. enewspaper.latimes.com/desktop/latimes/default.aspx?pubid=50435180-e58e-48b5-8e0c-236bf740270e Thank you, mbusby, for this historical perspective which is noteworthy to those interested in the transgender phenomenon. Few people are questioning a transgender's ability to fight. It's more complicated than that for the following reason(s): In today's world, transsexuals and transgenders are encouraged to 'come out' whereas Cashier did not reveal 'his' birth sex. He acted incognito. This fact gives us a completely different can of worms to work with. Add to that the fact that transsexuals in today's world are allowed to undergo SRS and then need to be maintained for a lifetime on hormone therapy. Just imagine what might have happened to Cashier had 'he' been discovered to be female by the other soldiers... Some may have graciously accepted 'him.' Others may have 'taught him a lesson' using violent means, i.e., by raping and/or killing him. In the last analysis, if the morale of the soldiers is compromised by our modern political climate, this does not bode well for the the readiness of a military organization.
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Post by agog on Jul 30, 2017 17:46:37 GMT -5
Posted by Lisa on her facebook page... "You know, I've lived in Pittsburgh most of my life and was proud to call it my hometown. I thought we had each other's backs and that one pittsburgher's success was a win for all of us or vice versa. However, after reading the vitriol on wpxi and Wtae Facebook pages regarding our show, "Growing Up Evancho," i'm utterly ashamed to admit that I must have been wrong all these years. If God does bless us with a modicum of success, I guess I'll find some other place to share my good fortune because clearly it's not needed by most of the window lickers who have been born and raised in this town." What was the vitriol? Did someone post a "like" on Lisa's mom's FB page?
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Post by juxtaposer on Jul 30, 2017 17:53:18 GMT -5
Posted by Lisa on her facebook page... "You know, I've lived in Pittsburgh most of my life and was proud to call it my hometown. I thought we had each other's backs and that one pittsburgher's success was a win for all of us or vice versa. However, after reading the vitriol on wpxi and Wtae Facebook pages regarding our show, "Growing Up Evancho," i'm utterly ashamed to admit that I must have been wrong all these years. If God does bless us with a modicum of success, I guess I'll find some other place to share my good fortune because clearly it's not needed by most of the window lickers who have been born and raised in this town." What was the vitriol? Did someone post a "like" on Lisa's mom's FB page? It was on the Pittsburgh TV station Facebook. The stream of hate comments posted mostly about the transgender issue was beyond the pale. I couldn't believe it, and as I was watching it occurred to me exactly what Lisa has just posted, and rightly so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 18:03:58 GMT -5
Ben: I find your argument regarding transgenders in the military very weak. Transgenders have been serving in the US military in operational theatres without any recorded/publicised issue regarding their sexuality. The only argument that could have some merit is the money factor and that too is a very weak argument. If the US military can purchase and provide Viagra to 40,000 military personnel then the trivial amount out of the military budget to accommodate medical support for MAYBE 3500 transgenders in uniform is not worth the huge amount that it will cost the government in severance packages to those that are removed from service. If there existed any real justification for a ban and removal of transgender soldiers from voluntary duty then it would have emerged long ago and in other country's military. This is a lone decision by one person who managed to stay out of the military. I don't believe the decision is even supported by the military.
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Post by agog on Jul 30, 2017 18:39:15 GMT -5
What was the vitriol? Did someone post a "like" on Lisa's moare somewhat similar in that theym's FB page? It was on the Pittsburgh TV station Facebook. The stream of hate comments posted mostly about the transgender issue was beyond the pale. I couldn't believe it, and as I was watching it occurred to me exactly what Lisa has just posted, and rightly so. You're a good man Col. You posted a earnest reply to my tongue-in-cheek, smart @$$ reply. I'll give you my best supposition as to why there is all that vitriol over the tranny issue. It is simply that the general public is fatigued over tranny's and other "oppressed victim" classes demanding special rights and considerations. Their defenders usually try to lay a guilt trip on anyone insolent enough to wonder why some people demand the majority cave to special demands. Women, Negros and homosexuals enjoy all the rights of citizenship enumerated, but not limited to, in the Bill of Rights. The American Bill of Rights is the name given to the first ten amendments to the then new Constitution of the U.S. As do all adult Americans who are not felons, or in some specific offices or in the military, enjoy the freedom of speech, religion, press, right to assemble and right to petition the govt for redress of grievances. That's a fast summary of the first amendment. The second declares our right to keep and bear arms. The third is weird and specifically enumerated in response to George the III'd quartering of troops in private homes. It says our govt can't do that. The fourth enumerates that citizens are to be secure in their persons, papers and effects. That to seize anything belonging to or concerning a private citizen a warrant must be issued by the courts. Said warrant, to be valid must issue upon affirmation or sworn testimony and further must state specifically what property or person is to be seized. The fifth (which I often plead) is a citizen's right to forbear self incrimination. (Some countries to this day can beat a confession out of an accused and said confession will have standing in court.) EDIT: Oops! I hit the post button accidentally. Not to worry though I'm near through with the list portion of this post. The sixth, seventh and eighth amendments deal with the judiciary in that the enumerate the right to a speedy trial, the right to trial by a jury of their peers and limit the courts on imposing cruel or unusual sentences. They are a bit nebulous in my memory as I've always been acquitted. Lol. The ninth states that these enumerated rights are not to be regarded as the only rights guaranteed. The tenth is very important imo it limits the three branches of govt to ONLY those powers stated in the body of the Constitution. This, along with the second, is perhaps the most violated article in the BOR. Nowhere does the Constitution, or Common Law (That would be English Common Law which has standing and is valid precedent in US Jurisprudence.) or common sense for that matter, guarantee anyone happiness, just the freedom to pursue one's idea of happiness. Nor does the Constitution, or again common sense, guarantee anyone the right not to be offended. Many minorities of whatever stripe, be they racial minorities, economic or political refugees or sexual deviants, feel they have a right to impose their selves and their beliefs in today's America and often across the world by force of law. I think they are mistaken. SECOND EDIT TO ADD: We people of Western Civilization have been shown to give listen and often heed to those people truly oppressed and have done more than any other system in history to right wrongs which are presented for evaluation. Edited for spelling: precedent for president.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 21:43:18 GMT -5
Posted by Lisa on her facebook page... "You know, I've lived in Pittsburgh most of my life and was proud to call it my hometown. I thought we had each other's backs and that one pittsburgher's success was a win for all of us or vice versa. However, after reading the vitriol on wpxi and Wtae Facebook pages regarding our show, "Growing Up Evancho," i'm utterly ashamed to admit that I must have been wrong all these years. If God does bless us with a modicum of success, I guess I'll find some other place to share my good fortune because clearly it's not needed by most of the window lickers who have been born and raised in this town."
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