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Post by Beachguy on May 25, 2017 8:02:05 GMT -5
Nothing will cure one completely if one has a chemical unbalance except the chemical needed which causes Real depression , the brain must have the correct balance of chemicals needed to work correctly at a even level , >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no matter what . it is indeed jolly elementary . BTW : I got news of a strong man of mind and body I know well who did not have depression even with his wife having bad stage cancer as he also had bad incurable cancer , he just died after a long fight , he could no longer move a hand and was begging for death and asking for his dead mother . IMO opinion without decent good health we have but time , Cherish Good Health & perhaps give Thanks to something or someone in some way ...My wish to you all is the Best Of Health .....
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 9:40:40 GMT -5
Frisco, you are a doctor so I'll ask you, "Does stress cause clinical depression, or just a "depression-like" state as it does in test rats? My doctor told me that my clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in my brain. He said stress can make it worse, but he didn't say it is a cause.
It seems to me if stress were a cause of depression everybody in the world would be depressed all the time. First, if I may, bless you Rick. I really did not have stress in a clinical way. I had worry. Mine developed into ulcerative colitis. Your body makes stuff - good and bad - for many reasons. That tingle when you are in love. That pumped up feeling when you start a ball game. That acid that eats a hole in you colon, or an enzyme signal sent to your brain. I eventually learned mind control to reduce worry. Eliminate news, politics (literally did not know we elected a black president back then). Didn't care. Still don't. Family matters, church, friends. They all made me worry. You just have to learn to cope. Oh, my UC was when I was 18. Nearly 50 years ago. You can let stress kill you, or not. I understand medication is necessary for many. But to paraphrase Sgt. Schultz - " I take nothing." Lately, I cope with 4 cd's that sing me to sleep every night. I have trouble making it to the second song before I go to sleep. Thank you Jackie.
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Post by pgantioch on May 25, 2017 13:45:16 GMT -5
Frisco, you are a doctor so I'll ask you, "Does stress cause clinical depression, or just a "depression-like" state as it does in test rats? My doctor told me that my clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in my brain. He said stress can make it worse, but he didn't say it is a cause.
It seems to me if stress were a cause of depression everybody in the world would be depressed all the time. I'm just catching up with this thread; sorry I haven't answered yet. We used to think there was a bright line between "physical" & "psychological" problems in the brain. But the closer you look, the fuzzier the line looks. "Psychological" problems turn out to have physical changes that can sometimes be detected with modern tests. I would say that depression IS a chemical imbalance, regardless of cause. But it afflicts people who are vulnerable, probably mostly due to genetics. It's a combination of nature AND nurture. So you were probably born with the underlying tendency/problem. If you're exposed to certain stressful things, your depression may get worse, & the chemical imbalance may worsen. OTOH, if you take the right meds &/or get into the right life situation, your depression & chemical imbalance will improve. Researchers looking at stress make a distinction between those who have some control over their lives & those who don't. Stress can sometimes be a benefit for the former, but is usually harmful for the latter. So (e.g.) stress for a CEO could be at least partially beneficial, but for a minimum wage worker would be mostly harmful.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 12:34:01 GMT -5
I hope it isn't necessary to remind that there is stress, and then there is stress. Ask a war veteran about that. But traumatic stress is not necessarily limited to those.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 19:31:06 GMT -5
Rick, Just read your gardening post over on the dark side. Wow, what a group. The saying 'Greener on the other side of the fence' comes to mind. We are definitely greener here.
So sad you are just now tilling your garden. We normally wait for Easter or earlier. Down here in the south I just picked squash for the second time. Made a squash casserole for lunch. Tomatoes about half grown. Looking forward making pickles, tomato sauces, picante and pepper (winter soup stuff). Got a few planters of dill weed and cilantro. Figs coming on good for preserves.
I'm posting this here, because gardening and yard work has been my stress relief. Fresh mowed grass or watching a seed pop up out of the ground or plants starting to flower out is so pleasing and relaxing. Good luck this year.
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Post by rickolsen on May 29, 2017 20:17:28 GMT -5
Wayne, I live in Michigan. Although farmers of things such as corn and potatoes generally plant in mid to late May gardeners wait until after Memorial Day. The reason. Frost. If we plant too early frost will kill our plants. You live in the south so you can plant earlier than we can.
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Post by chris on May 30, 2017 5:17:48 GMT -5
I hope it isn't necessary to remind that there is stress, and then there is stress. Ask a war veteran about that. But traumatic stress is not necessarily limited to those. I agree there is normal everyday stress. Then there is life crisis stress. When you are in a state of constant life stress there is a longer lasting effect of PTSD. That alone to overcome is difficult. However with the right help and form of therapy it is not insurmountable. I find gardening to be the ultimate healer of all time. The newness of the plants sprouting and the dirt regenerating to make the new plants, renews me with hope for the future. I always take the time to hear the birds admire the dragonflies and see the butterflies. May all your days be filled with simple pleasures. May you have a happier day.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 7:31:09 GMT -5
Wayne, I live in Michigan. Although farmers of things such as corn and potatoes generally plant in mid to late May gardeners wait until after Memorial Day. The reason. Frost. If we plant too early frost will kill our plants. You live in the south so you can plant earlier than we can. I'm aware where you live. Most posters comment how far they live from a concert. Lots of Yankee members. We have frost warning down here also. It can get as cold as 40 in April. (Just rubbing it in) Stress relief can turn quickly. I used to get up and check on my plants, and several plants would be eaten to the ground. My roaming family of deer would wipe me out. Used every cure. Finally put up an electric fence. Now the rabbits and squirrels learned how to hop over or crawl under the wire. I now sit with my pellet rifle to protect my realm. Game of Throne like. I've always thought if Jackie wasn't such an animal lover, she could deer hunt with her Katness bow and arrow in her back yard. Penn is loaded with huge deer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 12:28:54 GMT -5
Anyone who is in the New York City area this fall may be interested in these two courses from the C.G Jung Foundation for Analytical Psychology, Inc., as they relate to the psychology of music and emotions. These courses may give insight to listeners 'suffering' from the so-called Jackie Effect: Emotions: What can we learn about them from Jung?5 consecutive Mondays, 7:00-8:40 pm Beginning November 6th Instructor: David Rottman, MA "There are situations in which a certain amount of emotion is natural and reasonable and if lacking one would feel the want of something, but to be just swayed, swept off one's feet by emotions, is one of the symptoms of primitivity, or even a morbid symptom." C.G. Jung, Visions Seminar, p. 1253 Jung has a lot to say about personal emotions, collective emotions, destructive emotions, healing emotions, emotions that separate, emotions that unite, cosmic emotions, chaotic emotions, meaningful emotions. He explored emotions in depth, uncovering the ways in which emotions work in the psyche, both positively and negatively. In this course, we will look at Jung's many surprising and challenging ideas about emotions as expressed in both his books and his seminars. We will discuss how emotions impact the "outer" dimensions of our daily lives at work and in relationships, and how emotions impact the way we live with our own "inner" experience of ourselves. Music as a Bridge to the Unconscious5 consecutive Tuesdays, 6:30-8.10 pm Beginning November 7th Instructor: Gary Trosclair, DMA, LCSW The power of music to move us and connect us with deeper levels of psyche is clear. Just as dreams do, music can reunite us with aspects of the collective unconscious from which we've become disconnected. Yet music has received little attention in the Jungian world. This course will explore the psychological functions of music for both the individual and the community through a Jungian lens. We will explore a wide variety of musical styles in their cultural contexts in order to understand how music compensates collective imbalances. We will also explore the archetypal nature of music and how it may be used or abused in the process of individuation. We will approach our subject matter from many perspectives, ranging from evolutionary psychology and neuropsychology to a personal experience of the numinous. More information is available here: www.cgjungny.org/continuinged.html
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Post by stephenswinkler on Oct 4, 2017 19:05:45 GMT -5
Any medication you take is a destroyer of your kidneys and/or liver. I have diabetes. I take more medications, then Carter has liver pills. Avoid the usage of medications, unless you have a life threatening illness. There is a more effective way to fight mental illness, but since this forum forbids religion and politics, I will not mention it.
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Post by rickolsen on Oct 4, 2017 19:20:10 GMT -5
Any medication you take is a destroyer of your kidneys and/or liver. I have diabetes. I take more medications, then Carter has liver pills. Avoid the usage of medications, unless you have a life threatening illness. There is a more effective way to fight mental illness, but since this forum forbids religion and politics, I will not mention it. This is pure bunk. My kidneys and liver are fine. Without my medication I would be long dead.
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Post by stephenswinkler on Oct 5, 2017 12:56:30 GMT -5
Without my medication, I would be dead too. That being said, today your kidneys and liver are fine; tomorrow, they will not be. Yesterday, my kidneys and liver were fine too. Today, they are not, due to all the medications, that I have been taking; four of them, just for my sugar problem.
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Post by Gato on Oct 5, 2017 17:32:15 GMT -5
I take a statin drug for cholesterol, but some of those cause me issues, while the one I'm currently taking does not, and that is in the same family of meds.
I imagine there are some meds which are hard on the organs, and some which are not.
A blanket statement about all meds being harmful to the organs is hard to support.
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