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Post by rickolsen on Apr 6, 2017 5:29:09 GMT -5
Martin, there are five songs I want on an album. Vincent, Desperado, Con Te Partiro, The Prayer, and Bridge Over Troubled Water. All sung with Jackie's classical voice. Throw in Fix You and Think About Me and you have a good start to a killer album.
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Post by ursus on Apr 6, 2017 6:38:03 GMT -5
Martin, there are five songs I want on an album. Vincent, Desperado, Con Te Partiro, The Prayer, and Bridge Over Troubled Water. All sung with Jackie's classical voice. Throw in Fix You and Think About Me and you have a good start to a killer album. Has she ever sung Desperado?
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Post by fatwombat on Apr 6, 2017 7:37:28 GMT -5
RE: Two Heart sales.
The release was less than a week ago. I'm not sure how it works but wouldn't it take a little time to gather sales data from different sources- over the counter sales, online sales, downloads etc.
Rick correctly quotes a sales figure from HDD,and yet they also have 2H charting at #11 for sales through major retailers in the U.S. and Amazon has it at #1 in Classical. I just don't think all the numbers are in as yet. Next week's Billboard Charts may give a better indication.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 8:43:11 GMT -5
Only two of them are sung with her classical voice. I'd say you're overstating the case. How Great Thou Art, May it Be, A Thousand Years, and America the Beautiful, for that matter, are classical voice. Your main theme seems to be, CC voice = success like Dream With Me, pop voice = digging a hole. But you don't support the theme well. Fix You certainly isn't CC voice. And there are other non-CC songs you have said you like. I believe you have mentioned liking Blank Space, because it was just Jackie and guitar, which could hardly be less CC.On the other hand, Awakening was solidly, at least majority CC, but continued the decline in sales. So it doesn't seem to me you have a solid basis for condemning in general her experimentation, even just based, as it seems to be, on what you personally happen to like. I kind of had the idea, back when she did AOTS, S&S, WOTW, and CHpt2, that she was angling for a movie theme job. But it would have taken some pretty out-box thinking, for Hollywood, to engage Jackie for a major movie theme. They want a Big Name. May it Be is also a movie song, so maybe she's still got a line in that pond. I think she's a bigger name now than she's been since she was an AGT phenom. To get such a gig, demonstrating flexibility will help. How big a name she is, depends not just on sales, but where she appears, and who she appears with. She's been doing pretty good on that score. I kind of agree with you, that in future, her CC work should probably come under separate covers from her pop ventures, if that continues. But Two Hearts, a two-disc set, is an introduction, a statement of flexibility. I think the timing is good for it at this bit of a peak of visibility.
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Post by richardnc on Apr 6, 2017 9:14:21 GMT -5
Rick, keep in mind that all album sales have tanked. Downloads and streams have to be accounted for. This is especially true with younger pop fans. Us old guys that walk into a store and buy a CD are a thing of the past.
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Post by raymoc211 on Apr 6, 2017 9:16:26 GMT -5
How about a Grammy for best new song writer and best new album? Oh well someday. I remember seeing her eyeing David Fosters many Grammys when she was 11. See the making "Dream With Me" video.
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Post by rickolsen on Apr 6, 2017 9:32:32 GMT -5
Has she ever sung Desperado? No, Jackie has never sung Desperado, but I can hear her singing it in my head. I asked Lisa to have Jackie sing Desperado with just Nick Marzock on guitar, but she said no.
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Post by rickolsen on Apr 6, 2017 9:38:49 GMT -5
The facts speak for themselves. Jackie has laid a big egg with Two Hearts. Whitewashing it serves no useful purpose. Hopefully she will learn from this and give us a good album next time that people buy. This is my hope.
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Post by javier on Apr 6, 2017 10:00:54 GMT -5
The facts speak for themselves. It is not only the facts that speak for themselves, history does too. Let's not forget how Charlotte Church's career collapsed after she pursued pop, with so many fans dumping her. The global CC fanbase will probably react in the same way if they detect Jackie pursuing the Charlotte Church route.
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Post by javier on Apr 6, 2017 10:37:50 GMT -5
It is not only the facts that speak for themselves, history does too. Let's not forget how Charlotte Church's career collapsed after she pursued pop, with so many fans dumping her. The global CC fanbase will probably react in the same way if they detect Jackie pursuing the Charlotte Church route. Jackie Evancho is not Charlotte Church. I am not saying that she is the same and I will never say such a thing! I am simply stating facts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 10:51:21 GMT -5
The facts speak for themselves. It is not only the facts that speak for themselves, history does too. Let's not forget how Charlotte Church's career collapsed after she pursued pop, with so many fans dumping her. The global CC fanbase will probably react in the same way if they detect Jackie pursuing the Charlotte Church route. If my impression is right, Charlotte made clear she was dumping CC, and going an entirely different direction, so no wonder her CC fans were cranked off. I think you should give Jackie credit for making it plain she is not abandoning CC, but trying to broaden with other things as well. How much Jackie pursues pop probably depends on how these do. If they are really as bad as Rick (and you?) think, maybe you should take comfort
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Post by agog on Apr 7, 2017 7:50:12 GMT -5
The facts speak for themselves. Jackie has laid a big egg with Two Hearts. Whitewashing it serves no useful purpose. Hopefully she will learn from this and give us a good album next time that people buy. This is my hope. Rick, I hear a few people talking up Two Hearts but not the great numbers I would have hoped for on the release of a new Jackie album. You say: "Hopefully she will learn from this and give us a good album next time that people buy. This is my hope." I would add: Hopefully the team can get it together and not take two-plus years to produce the next album. We're in a tough spot here Rick, Jackie is a teen who wants to sing some pop. Her fan base is older folks who love her classical voice. I don't have a solution other than Jackie or her hired team writing some pop that is beautiful, that will appeal to us oldsters, as well as the youngsters Jackie would love to see at her concerts. Easy for me to say.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 15:55:44 GMT -5
I agree. This is a challenging time for her. Jackie has outgrown the prodigy and wants to shed the "angel" image as well. Both are a matter of maturing dignity and self-identity for her. It's just going to have to play out in accordance with her development as a maturing artist and a young adult along with her aspirations. And, we can only be understanding and patient. Meanwhile, We can hope that her concert schedule will increase her popularity and thereby improve album sales. Personally I feel fortunate, because I thoroughly enjoy Two Hearts as much as her other albums, maybe more because of its diversity. It demonstrates very well Jackie's extraordinary versatility and interpretive genius. I am astonished at her uncanny ability to adapt her voice to creating the character of a song in any genre. For example: The classical soaring of May It Be, the genuine, plaintive sincerity of Mamma, the romantic, smooth golden clarity of her lower register in The Way We Were, the breathy tenderness and innocence in her voice in Have You Ever Been In Love (that one moves me the most), and the multi-layered harmonies of Safe And Sound. I know of no other artist who has shown that ability. Let's just hang in there with her and enjoy what we have. She's a tenacious and determined young lady and she will somehow pursue her "dream" to it's ultimate realization. In a way, we older folks are having more difficulty with it than she is, probably, because we'd like to see that happen a little sooner.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Apr 8, 2017 0:35:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 10:01:24 GMT -5
The thing I look most forward to is the Varnk review of a Jackie concert or cd. Of course he is 99% positive but honest. If he doesn't care for a song you can tell. But he doesn't say that was stupid. When I was growing up you mainly bought an album of your favorite group and a few others. How many times did you bring a 33 home and the ONLY good song was their hit at the time. The rest were just stupid. Therefore we bought tons of 45's. You would bring it home put it the player pull the arm back and replay that thing til the groves were wore off. (Still got those in my closet).
My review is, like Mr Varn, 99% positive. BTW, I have never preordered, downloaded, ordered from Japan, or all the other ways y'all get frustrated. Friday A.M. I walked into Walmart, bought my cd, walked out, took my pocket knife, cut the wrapper off, put it into my car player, two hours later BAM all the way through TWICE.
Most special moment - I may have mentioned I was in church music for a while. When I got to track three I knew what it was going to be. I had listened to the 30 second previews. Some wanted the last 30 seconds - not me, here's why. After Caruso and Attesa (even Ken misspelled it) here comes HGTA. I would say this in the FINAL FOUR of all church hymns. For my non-church fellows, we actually have a book of hymns we sing every Sunday. With Just As I Am, Old Rugged Cross, and a few more - None better. Anyway, here we go, Jackie is sitting in the congregation singing with the crowd. I'm enjoying such a familiar hymn. At the key change she walks up onto the alter. She is joined (in my mind) by the heavenly choir. It keeps building. What is going on. Oh no she isn't. THEN she is joined by the Angel spreading her wings around us all in the final note octaves higher than possible. Literally stopped breathing. Did not hear a single note of Mamma. Then May It Be came on and I was covered with comfortable blanket. Last 30 second preview would have spoiled it for me.
If you love Jackie, Love her. Don't worry about her not having a hit record every time out. Go look at every singer, actor, writer, or investment agent. No one bats a 1000. I have four cds on rotation I listened to when I go to bed every night and I do not skip a single song on any of them. There are no stupid Jackie songs.
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