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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 17:27:32 GMT -5
Having viewed comments on Jackie's recent videos, the responses to Two Hearts are overwhelmingly positive and enthusiastic for both her cc and pop songs. Just a few snarky comments from trolls. Also, Amazon reviews are 5 out of 5 stars for the album with one 4 star rating by a someone who was disappointed that both the cc and pop songs were on the same cd (how could that happen?). All in all, from what I've seen on You Tube is that Jackie's four written pop songs are being well received, and in fact, she is being praised and encouraged. I don't understand the negativity here of all places. I wonder how visitors to this forum, potential fans would react.
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Post by raymoc211 on Apr 5, 2017 19:21:11 GMT -5
How about aGrammy for best new song writer and best new album? Oh well someday. I remember seeing her eyeing David Fosters many Grammys when she was 11. See the making "Dream With Me" video.
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Post by agog on Apr 5, 2017 19:30:19 GMT -5
Having viewed comments on Jackie's recent videos, the responses to Two Hearts are overwhelmingly positive and enthusiastic for both her cc and pop songs. Just a few snarky comments from trolls. Also, Amazon reviews are 5 out of 5 stars for the album with one 4 star rating by a someone who was disappointed that both the cc and pop songs were on the same cd (how could that happen?). All in all, from what I've seen on You Tube is that Jackie's four written pop songs are being well received, and in fact, she is being praised and encouraged. I don't understand the negativity here of all places. I wonder how visitors to this forum, potential fans would react.
Hi cleonard. Good first post. I read that some overseas CDs are a single disc with all song on the one. As far as some negativity here (of all places) we fans wait a long time between new album releases. Hopes are built up that each new album will be the one to catapult Jackie to household name status. Two Hearts is better than most artists will do in a lifetime. But it doesn't seem to be the breakout album for Jackie. I sure wouldn't mind being wrong with that assessment but..... We will continue supporting and hoping the world finds Jackie too. Stick around cleonard and keep the good posts coming.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 20:00:09 GMT -5
agog, I empathize with you all in that regard. I'll just take certain comments that appear disparaging in stride. Thanks for the welcome.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 22:09:16 GMT -5
My comment wasn't directed at you. Don't take it personally.
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Post by rickolsen on Apr 5, 2017 22:19:50 GMT -5
The only response to Two Hearts that matters is sales. Two Hearts will have less than 2000 sales the first week. This is pitiful and is by far Jackie's lowest selling album. In contrast OHN sold 250,000 the first week.
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Post by robinb on Apr 5, 2017 22:23:25 GMT -5
I listen to many artists too. But Jackie is the most interesting to me for many reasons: the rare quality of her voice (reminds me of Streisand, Carpenter, Andrews ..) the unfolding story of her career (already enough twists and turns to fill a book), her potential to one day reach iconic status (with luck and hard work), and the wide range of reactions that she evokes from fans and non-fans.
Hers is a dramatic story intertwined with many of the big issues of our time, and the excellent sound track is built in!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 0:28:19 GMT -5
The only response to Two Hearts that matters is sales. Two Hearts will have less than 2000 sales the first week. This is pitiful and is by far Jackie's lowest selling album. In contrast OHN sold 250,000 the first week. And in a month, a million. Is it that you want the comparison as bad as possible? Even Dream With Me doesn't compare with that. I disagree that all that matters is sales. Opened opportunities matter. Keeping Jackie happy matters, doing what she wants to do: which right now is, express herself writing. I'm sorry you don't like it. We don't all like everything, surely, but sometimes you talk like like you think she has been a failure since Dream With Me. But still you are at least interested- can't you just try to enjoy seeing what she does with new stuff, and different techniques? She's a teenager, lots of time to feel her way around in the world. I think you worry too much about her prospects.
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Post by rickolsen on Apr 6, 2017 0:42:17 GMT -5
Schrodinger, I am worried that if Jackie continues on this pop path she won't have a career. Jackie's last Gold album was Heavenly Christmas in 2011. Her next album, SFTSS, started her decent into pop, but she didn't come up with the pop voice until after Awakening. There are 15 songs on Two Hearts. Only two of them are sung with her classical voice. By contrast, all of the songs on DWM were sung with her classical voice.
Caruso and Attesa just don't grab me like Ombra Mai Fu and Nessun Dorma. Her pop songs since SFTSS just don't grab me like Angel and Someday. For me DWM is Jackie's best work to date and Two Hearts falls far short of the mark of what I know she is capable of.
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Post by pgantioch on Apr 6, 2017 0:57:32 GMT -5
Schrodinger, I am worried that if Jackie continues on this pop path she won't have a career. Jackies last Gold album was Heavenly Christmas in 2011. Her next album, SFTSS, started her decent into pop, but she didn't come up with the pop voice until after Awakening. There are 15 songs on Two Hearts. Only two of them are sung with her classical voice. By contrast, all of the songs on DWM were sung with her classical voice.
Caruso and Attesa just don't grab me like Ombra Mai Fu and Nessun Dorma. Her pop songs since SFTSS just don't grab me like Angel and Someday. For me DWM is Jackie's best work to date and Two Hearts falls far short of the mark of what I know she is capable of. Rick, she isn't even 17 yet. She's exploring. She might record a pop album, or a jazz album, or a country album, or an experimental album, or something totally different, then return to her classical roots. Who knows? You've changed your mind before about some of her music. Give her a chance. Even if you never like some of the things she does, so what? As long as you like her other work, you can still be a fan.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 1:04:44 GMT -5
rickolsen, I appreciate your perspective. Although, OHN sales were the result of her instantaneous impact upon the public on AGT, the novelty of the little girl with the big voice. DWM success was largely due to David Foster's promotional and production influence (DWMIC) . Jackie has lacked that kind of heavy weight assistance since. Comparing her present sales with those of OHN is unrealistic in my view. Besides, album sales are not Jackie's bread and butter, so they are not the ultimate criteria to her ongoing success. But rather her concerts, private engagements, etc. I don't criticize your rejection of the content of the album, because that is entirely subjective, or that you refuse to buy it. But, I wouldn't presume that the public at large shares your disapproval, just because sales don't meet your expectations. That doesn't promote Jackie in the least. I respect your personal opinion of the album but I am disheartened that you would state it so emphatically for all to see. Anyone can visit this forum as I have looking for positive support for Jackie. Besides that, trolls will pick up on it immediately. I was going to refrain from iterating this, but like you said, "It can't be helped". I hope not to discourage positive discourse with you. While writing this, I missed the input from those above. Sorry, if I've duplicated anyone' perspective.
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Post by rickolsen on Apr 6, 2017 1:10:18 GMT -5
Frisco, I am a fan of Jackie with the brilliant classical voice. I am not a fan of Jackie who sings second rate pop songs with an average pop voice. Since Jackie stopped singing only with her classical voice after DWM her sales have steadily declined until they are less than 10% of what they started out as. This should tell Jackie and her people something, but it hasn't. If it had Two Hearts would never have been recorded.
If Jackie goes back to her beginnings and her next album, if there is one, is CC with many classical voice songs she has a chance to save her career. If it is just more Two Hearts she is in big trouble.
Two Hearts pitiful sales show that the fans in general and the general public don't want a pop voice Jackie. Jackie says she is proud of Two Hearts. That's fine, but it doesn't matter. Album sales spur concert sales. Low album sales means low concert attendance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 1:20:02 GMT -5
rickolsen, I wouldn't refer you to anyone as a real fan, but rather as a critic. And that's ok.
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Post by rickolsen on Apr 6, 2017 1:22:56 GMT -5
rickolsen, I appreciate your perspective. Although, OHN sales were the result of her instantaneous impact upon the public on AGT, the novelty of the little girl with the big voice. DWM success was largely due to David Foster's promotional and production influence (DWMIC) . Jackie has lacked that kind of heavy weight assistance since. Comparing her present sales with those of OHN is unrealistic in my view. Besides, album sales are not Jackie's bread and butter, so they are not the ultimate criteria to her ongoing success. But rather her concerts, private engagements, etc. I don't criticize your rejection of the content of the album, because that is entirely subjective, or that you refuse to buy it. But, I wouldn't presume that the public at large shares your disapproval, just because sales don't meet your expectations. That doesn't promote Jackie in the least. I respect your personal opinion of the album but I am disheartened that you would state it so emphatically for all to see. Anyone can visit this forum as I have looking for positive support for Jackie. Besides that, trolls will pick up on it immediately. I was going to refrain from iterating this, but like you said, "It can't be helped". I hope not to discourage positive discourse with you. While writing this, I missed the input from those above. Sorry, if I've duplicated anyone' perspective. Cleonard, I love Jackie and I want her to have a great career. She won't have it if she makes more albums like Two Hearts. Jackie is almost invisible on social media. Her youtube channel is a joke. People aren't buying her new album. These are all facts that can't be disputed. I talk about her career as it really is, not as people want to pretend it is.
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Post by rickolsen on Apr 6, 2017 1:27:08 GMT -5
rickolsen, I wouldn't refer you to anyone as a real fan, but rather as a critic. And that's ok. cleonard, define "real fan." If it is someone who worships Jackie unrealistically and who loves every song she has ever sung then I guess I'm not a real fan.
I have been a diehard fan for almost seven years. I have been waiting since DWM for her to get back on track and realize her full potential. I'm still waiting.
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