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Post by jrchico on Feb 15, 2017 3:46:16 GMT -5
In many ways I see a problem with the concerts that are before the release of Two Hearts. Many of us were expecting the release of this album before the end of last year and the concert bookings would be new music. The release of AOTS, WOTW, APOC, Coming Home were all teasers to be included in her new release. Now fans are considering skipping the scheduled concerts and wait for any after 3-31 that will be a mix of her new POP and new CC. Making the announcement before the CA, FL and Pittsburgh concerts may indeed hurt ticket sales. Hi trebor. The only concert with poor sales is the Pittsburgh concert. Jackie's home town. That's a crying shame. The three California concerts Friday Saturday and Sunday this week are virtual sellouts. Not virtual sell outs but actually sell outs.
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Post by trebor on Aug 27, 2017 9:56:02 GMT -5
Interesting that Jackie and Lindsey were both on AGT season five!! Would be great to see a collaboration with those two!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 14:55:31 GMT -5
I was sorry to learn on DWTS that Lindsey's father died last year.
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Post by Willyiam on Jan 4, 2019 17:47:03 GMT -5
Just learned that Jackie is still with Sony Masterworks! Or did they just forget to take her off the website!
The information is kinda old!
I thought she was label-free!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 18:18:18 GMT -5
Just learned that Jackie is still with Sony Masterworks! Or did they just forget to take her off the website!
The information is kinda old!
I thought she was label-free!!
Until proven otherwise, I presume she is still with Sony.
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Post by rlhamil on Feb 1, 2019 16:44:03 GMT -5
Just learned that Jackie is still with Sony Masterworks! Or did they just forget to take her off the website!
The information is kinda old!
I thought she was label-free!!
Until proven otherwise, I presume she is still with Sony. This is ambiguous at present; the pre-order announcement by Vydia (which appears to simply manage digital distribution (streaming, iTunes, YouTube, VEVO, etc) suggests that she may be going indie with "The Debut". I recognize that indie may be a better option than label for all but those who frequently go platinum these days. But of concern to me at least is that I see no pre-order yet for physical CDs (better for gifting, etc) or CD-or-better digital audio (hdtracks.com, which has carried the last few albums in slightly better than CD quality format). And of course no advance notice which outlets if any will have versions with bonus tracks. I want audio quality better than most digital delivery formats, and if physical media is available (but probably not otherwise), I'll gladly buy extra copies to give away; and I'd prefer to know which version is the most complete and/or highest quality audio before I buy. edit: and CDs can be sold at concerts. Has anyone ever seen sales at concerts of downloads? (something analogous to an iTunes gift card, but specific to particular albums or tracks, and working with more than one download provider) If one really wants to abandon physical media, that would at least support both the at-concert sales opportunity and probably support gifting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 17:10:45 GMT -5
Until proven otherwise, I presume she is still with Sony. This is ambiguous at present; the pre-order announcement by Vydia (which appears to simply manage digital distribution (streaming, iTunes, YouTube, VEVO, etc) suggests that she may be going indie with "The Debut". I recognize that indie may be a better option than label for all but those who frequently go platinum these days. But of concern to me at least is that I see no pre-order yet for physical CDs (better for gifting, etc) or CD-or-better digital audio (hdtracks.com, which has carried the last few albums in slightly better than CD quality format). And of course no advance notice which outlets if any will have versions with bonus tracks. I want audio quality better than most digital delivery formats, and if physical media is available (but probably not otherwise), I'll gladly buy extra copies to give away; and I'd prefer to know which version is the most complete and/or highest quality audio before I buy. edit: and CDs can be sold at concerts. Has anyone ever seen sales at concerts of downloads? (something analogous to an iTunes gift card, but specific to particular albums or tracks, and working with more than one download provider) If one really wants to abandon physical media, that would at least support both the at-concert sales opportunity and probably support gifting. The album won't be released for 2 months. If she still has a label behind her, there will probably be a physical CD. If not, they can watch how the pre-order sales are going and then they can decide if they want to bother with a physical CD or not. The good news is that promotion has started very early.
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Post by msims on Feb 1, 2019 23:26:45 GMT -5
An exclusive distribution deal must be worked out with Target or Walmart.
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Post by rlhamil on Feb 2, 2019 1:35:57 GMT -5
An exclusive distribution deal must be worked out with Target or Walmart. In the past, that's involved a deluxe edition with bonus tracks - arguably more easily done under the aegis of a label, where at a minimum they just have to vary the back cover print, add a sticker to the shrink-wrap, and make two CD masters, the 2nd like the first but with more tracks. (edit: and two separate stamping runs, barcodes, distributions, etc) If they're full-on indie, they'd be using something like cdbaby to get CDs made. Almost certainly more expensive to do two different versions then. Not to mention lacking the clout of a label to do special deals. Likewise, maybe no special Japanese edition. In other words, some formulas that have been followed in the past may change, in the absence of a label (which is not yet a certainty).
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Post by rlhamil on Feb 2, 2019 1:45:14 GMT -5
This is ambiguous at present; the pre-order announcement by Vydia (which appears to simply manage digital distribution (streaming, iTunes, YouTube, VEVO, etc) suggests that she may be going indie with "The Debut". I recognize that indie may be a better option than label for all but those who frequently go platinum these days. But of concern to me at least is that I see no pre-order yet for physical CDs (better for gifting, etc) or CD-or-better digital audio (hdtracks.com, which has carried the last few albums in slightly better than CD quality format). And of course no advance notice which outlets if any will have versions with bonus tracks. I want audio quality better than most digital delivery formats, and if physical media is available (but probably not otherwise), I'll gladly buy extra copies to give away; and I'd prefer to know which version is the most complete and/or highest quality audio before I buy. edit: although if there's a better chance of favorably influencing further options if I pre-order, then what the heck. edit: and CDs can be sold at concerts. Has anyone ever seen sales at concerts of downloads? (something analogous to an iTunes gift card, but specific to particular albums or tracks, and working with more than one download provider) If one really wants to abandon physical media, that would at least support both the at-concert sales opportunity and probably support gifting. The album won't be released for 2 months. If she still has a label behind her, there will probably be a physical CD. If not, they can watch how the pre-order sales are going and then they can decide if they want to bother with a physical CD or not. The good news is that promotion has started very early. I agree that they can defer the decision whether to produce physical CDs, although digital pre-orders may be a poor predictor of CD sales, esp. given a demographic that historically favored physical CDs. There was that Facebook post or something where Jackie indicated that she wanted to see more streaming/download sales. Yes, that's where the future is headed, but it isn't there yet. Someone may have sent an email (unacknowledged but probably read, as is usually the case, I suspect) at the time in response, suggesting that there's still those interested in CDs and/or high-definition audio (HD) downloads, for the various reasons I've mentioned. I don't really mind doing a digital pre-order regardless of whether I'd buy CDs or HD later, although I'm always less than thrilled that I could instead get an extra copy to give away or whatever for the same $$ if all relevant purchasing choices and info were available at the same time.
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Feb 2, 2019 19:56:03 GMT -5
An exclusive distribution deal must be worked out with Target or Walmart. The CD departments in Walmarts are shrinking to almost zero, except for top Billboard sellers. Bet that's true for Target, too. Do you really think the Evanchos, as independents, now have the clout to work out an "exclusive" deal with either chain for an album of show tunes. Why when they have Gaga or Beyonce or Cardi B? It is no help to anyone, least of all Jackie, to be utterly unrealistic about the state of today's music industry. I think the most promising thing that's happened to Jackie is this gig at Feinstein's. It has sophisticated entertainment, and will get her into the NY cabaret circuit (with Cafe Carlyle) and if Jackie's is willing to read her audiences and understand what works and doesn't work, by next year she may be ready to try for musical theater, particularly if she's taken some acting lessons in her spare time.
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Post by msims on Feb 3, 2019 1:39:15 GMT -5
An exclusive distribution deal must be worked out with Target or Walmart. The CD departments in Walmarts are shrinking to almost zero, except for top Billboard sellers. Bet that's true for Target, too. Do you really think the Evanchos, as independents, now have the clout to work out an "exclusive" deal with either chain for an album of show tunes. Why when they have Gaga or Beyonce or Cardi B? It is no help to anyone, least of all Jackie, to be utterly unrealistic about the state of today's music industry. I think the most promising thing that's happened to Jackie is this gig at Feinstein's. It has sophisticated entertainment, and will get her into the NY cabaret circuit (with Cafe Carlyle) and if Jackie's is willing to read her audiences and understand what works and doesn't work, by next year she may be ready to try for musical theater, particularly if she's taken some acting lessons in her spare time. Julia, Perhaps bgstar, yellowstar, and robinb aren't educated about you. Since you joined amazon around the time of the Subo duet, you have treated Jackie as a threat and played a passive aggressive game with her career. So it is in your best interest for Jackie not to compete. But if you truly believe in Subo's ability to create sales, then you will want Jackie to compete in the same physical cd sales market. Competition helps them both. Years of posters including those in this thread don't seem to understand about how CC artists do it (or they don't even consider or think they have sold albums, but they have and its on record). Its just the same as how Subo does it they both have an older demo and their cds are bought as gifts. So we should agree that she should release The Debut on cd. It hasn't popped up yet but it could happen. If not, there will be a loss of sales sadly.
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Post by msims on Feb 3, 2019 1:59:38 GMT -5
An exclusive distribution deal must be worked out with Target or Walmart. In the past, that's involved a deluxe edition with bonus tracks - arguably more easily done under the aegis of a label, where at a minimum they just have to vary the back cover print, add a sticker to the shrink-wrap, and make two CD masters, the 2nd like the first but with more tracks. (edit: and two separate stamping runs, barcodes, distributions, etc) If they're full-on indie, they'd be using something like cdbaby to get CDs made. Almost certainly more expensive to do two different versions then. Not to mention lacking the clout of a label to do special deals. Likewise, maybe no special Japanese edition. In other words, some formulas that have been followed in the past may change, in the absence of a label (which is not yet a certainty). Target prior carried her cd in stores without exclusive tracks. Amazon also must carry the cd. The majority of the 3m+ units were physical sales. She has a tremendous track record for cd sales so I think they should work out that deal. Id buy the digital album if not, but probably will hold off until an announcement was made.
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Feb 3, 2019 15:22:28 GMT -5
The CD departments in Walmarts are shrinking to almost zero, except for top Billboard sellers. Bet that's true for Target, too. Do you really think the Evanchos, as independents, now have the clout to work out an "exclusive" deal with either chain for an album of show tunes. Why when they have Gaga or Beyonce or Cardi B? It is no help to anyone, least of all Jackie, to be utterly unrealistic about the state of today's music industry. I think the most promising thing that's happened to Jackie is this gig at Feinstein's. It has sophisticated entertainment, and will get her into the NY cabaret circuit (with Cafe Carlyle) and if Jackie's is willing to read her audiences and understand what works and doesn't work, by next year she may be ready to try for musical theater, particularly if she's taken some acting lessons in her spare time. Julia, Perhaps bgstar, yellowstar, and robinb aren't educated about you. Since you joined amazon around the time of the Subo duet, you have treated Jackie as a threat and played a passive aggressive game with her career. So it is in your best interest for Jackie not to compete. But if you truly believe in Subo's ability to create sales, then you will want Jackie to compete in the same physical cd sales market. Competition helps them both. Years of posters including those in this thread don't seem to understand about how CC artists do it (or they don't even consider or think they have sold albums, but they have and its on record). Its just the same as how Subo does it they both have an older demo and their cds are bought as gifts. So we should agree that she should release The Debut on cd. It hasn't popped up yet but it could happen. If not, there will be a loss of sales sadly.
Matt, of course, Jackie can also have physical CDs, just as Susan will. But you said she should make an "exclusive deal" with one of two massive chain stores. I was just pointing out that she doesn't have the clout to insist on that. Neither does Susan and I very much doubt any member of Susan fandom would think she does. In fact, even at the height of her fame, I don't think Syco has ever tried to negotiate an exclusive deal for Susan. Simon's attitude seemed to be, the more outlets selling her CDs the better.
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Post by rlhamil on Feb 4, 2019 6:22:44 GMT -5
In the past, that's involved a deluxe edition with bonus tracks - arguably more easily done under the aegis of a label, where at a minimum they just have to vary the back cover print, add a sticker to the shrink-wrap, and make two CD masters, the 2nd like the first but with more tracks. (edit: and two separate stamping runs, barcodes, distributions, etc) If they're full-on indie, they'd be using something like cdbaby to get CDs made. Almost certainly more expensive to do two different versions then. Not to mention lacking the clout of a label to do special deals. Likewise, maybe no special Japanese edition. In other words, some formulas that have been followed in the past may change, in the absence of a label (which is not yet a certainty). Target prior carried her cd in stores without exclusive tracks. Amazon also must carry the cd. The majority of the 3m+ units were physical sales. She has a tremendous track record for cd sales so I think they should work out that deal. Id buy the digital album if not, but probably will hold off until an announcement was made.
I decided to pre-order (iTunes only, not pre-ordering twice for softcopy), simply to help encourage the project. I'll preorder ONE physical CD if they turn up, and then wait to see if there's also a special edition, that way I won't end up having to cancel an order of multiple of a non-special-edition (again, if there is one, or any CD). If there's a CD, I'll get multiple of the best version (except for a Japanese special edition, those I only get one 'cause they're too expensive here) to give away. And if hdtracks.com has it at better-than-CD audio, I'll get one of those too. If there isn't a physical CD, how the heck am I supposed to gift legit downloads to random people? (hard enough to that for people whose email etc you know; but sometimes it helps more in terms of getting someone hooked with a near stranger than with a closer acquaintance that tolerates one's interests but probably doesn't share some of them) I can see that there might be reasons to announce pre-orders and editions a little at a time, such as that they're still being evaluated or negotiated; still, it would definitely be simpler on this end if pre-order and edition info came all at once, not in dribbles.
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