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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 18:07:36 GMT -5
There's no thread for complaints anymore, so I'll announce my dismay here. Considering the number of members who log in each day (about 25) there is an astounding lack of interest in "liking" contributions that are being made by the few. For example, yellowstone2014 offers something current almost daily and hasn't been getting more than 2-4 likes, a few with five or six (including jrchico). One should show an appreciation for another's effort if to at least acknowledge that you've viewed his/her posts. Do members log in just to check the "paticipated" list and then log out? Also, contributing to the conversation with some positive input, regardless how insignificant one may think his/her comment might be, would stimulate some responses and fresh interaction ( I would hope). Don't give that lame old excuse that "Jackie isn't doing enough" as some do. Her video, just posted yesterday has received a dismal response here. There were 71 enthusiastic comments on YouTube very soon after (presently 137). Those who do the posting aren't giving excuses. Come on, guys. Show your support. Lawrence, I don't know about others, but when I read a post, I decide rapidly whether I should like it. It is based upon gut feelings and could be different if I read it a few hours later. As to the "Jackie removing Rachel's upper-lip hair" video, it just didn't interest me. Should that really interest a 70-year old man? I do think that it is good that Jackie is trying to post human-interest videos, and I liked the first, at least I think that I did. Undoubtedly, this video was intended for another audience -- they can like it.
ursus, You certainly are not one of those to whom I speak. You are very consistent in liking what you read. Jackie's video deserves more recognition than to be dismissed just because one may be of the older generation, particularly when some here have complained that she doesn't do enough social media. Should she have produced something especially appealing to us to warrant our approval? I'm over 70 and appreciate the effort she made to entertain her fans. The least one can do is give it a "like". I'm certain not all comments on YouTube were posted by young girls. Maybe she should have done a demonstration of how to pull an old fart's bushy mustache to get some responses here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 20:20:52 GMT -5
cer said: "It's ok not to like everything that is posted on here about Jackie. Freedom of choice! :-)"
Of course it's OK, although "everything" is an exaggeration. It's also an exercise of one's "freedom of choice" to contribute something in support of Jackie or not. Those to whom I'm speaking in that regard are the members who who have offered nothing, neither a post nor a like. I don't understand the apparent indifference by members of a fan forum. Isn't the purpose to contribute? And, by the way, who are those people who register and never log in again?
I said in my post: "Also, contributing to the conversation with some positive input, regardless how insignificant one may think his/her comment might be, would stimulate some responses and fresh interaction ( I would hope). Don't give that lame old excuse that "Jackie isn't doing enough" as some do."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 21:53:59 GMT -5
cer said: "It's ok not to like everything that is posted on here about Jackie. Freedom of choice! :-)" Of course it's OK, although "everything" is an exaggeration. It's also an exercise of one's "freedom of choice" to contribute something in support of Jackie or not. Those to whom I'm speaking in that regard are the members who who have offered nothing, neither a post nor a like. I don't understand the apparent indifference by members of a fan forum. Isn't the purpose to contribute? And, by the way, who are those people who register and never log in again? I said in my post: "Also, contributing to the conversation with some positive input, regardless how insignificant one may think his/her comment might be, would stimulate some responses and fresh interaction ( I would hope). Don't give that lame old excuse that "Jackie isn't doing enough" as some do." Many of us enjoy reading the many delightful and informative contributions you and others make to this forum, Lawrence. But there are probably a myriad of reasons as to why many members do not post often, 'like' posts, and/or do not seem to have a great interest in this forum. The indifference you may perceive in others may be attributed to things like time constraints and higher priorities. Also, there may be a sudden change in a person's life that requires their full-time attention---for a long period of time. Then, when they do have more time, they may have already found another and more compelling interest to pursue. As you say, some people believe that Jackie is somehow not doing enough. We can respect that opinion, even if we disagree, just as we can respect that others accept what she is doing, apparently at her own pace. If so, we can certainly honor the pace and habits of members here, as well as our own personal pace and choices---on or off this forum---without either condoning or judging them, although it may be tempting to do so. With these things in mind, we can choose to accept others, just as they are and whatever they bring, or, do not bring, to this forum. Your generous enthusiasm here will continue to be a powerful incentive to that end.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 23:32:02 GMT -5
cer said: "It's ok not to like everything that is posted on here about Jackie. Freedom of choice! :-)" Of course it's OK, although "everything" is an exaggeration. It's also an exercise of one's "freedom of choice" to contribute something in support of Jackie or not. Those to whom I'm speaking in that regard are the members who who have offered nothing, neither a post nor a like. I don't understand the apparent indifference by members of a fan forum. Isn't the purpose to contribute? And, by the way, who are those people who register and never log in again? I said in my post: "Also, contributing to the conversation with some positive input, regardless how insignificant one may think his/her comment might be, would stimulate some responses and fresh interaction ( I would hope). Don't give that lame old excuse that "Jackie isn't doing enough" as some do." Many of us enjoy reading the many delightful and informative contributions you and others make to this forum, Lawrence. But there are probably a myriad of reasons as to why many members do not post often, 'like' posts, and/or do not seem to have a great interest in this forum. The indifference you may perceive in others may be attributed to things like time constraints and higher priorities. Also, there may be a sudden change in a person's life that requires their full-time attention---for a long period of time. Then, when they do have more time, they may have already found another and more compelling interest to pursue. As you say, some people believe that Jackie is somehow not doing enough. We can respect that opinion, even if we disagree, just as we can respect that others accept what she is doing, apparently at her own pace. If so, we can certainly honor the pace and habits of members here, as well as our own personal pace and choices---on or off this forum---without either condoning or judging them, although it may be tempting to do so. With these things in mind, we can choose to accept others, just as they are and whatever they bring, or, do not bring, to this forum. Your generous enthusiasm here will continue to be a powerful incentive to that end. Thank you ben, I appreciate your considerate and informative response. The intention of my post was to gain an understanding, hopefully from someone better acquainted with the history of the membership than I. I hope no one assumes I lack respect for the known or unknown to whom I referred, or that I judge them. I'm an active person with other interests myself. It takes an effort and time to research, and some may have constraints or other priorities that prevent them from contributing. I joined the forum with a purpose to support Jackie in any way I can when it's possible within my own time frame. Obviously, I'd like to have seen more participation, despite Jackie's seeming lack of activity. I expect she is busier than some would presume. It just hasn't been made public. Perhaps when her album is released there will be a revitalization here. That may not be until after Christmas. So folks might have to get creative until then.
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Post by ursus on Nov 16, 2018 0:46:25 GMT -5
Lawrence, I don't know about others, but when I read a post, I decide rapidly whether I should like it. It is based upon gut feelings and could be different if I read it a few hours later. As to the "Jackie removing Rachel's upper-lip hair" video, it just didn't interest me. Should that really interest a 70-year old man? I do think that it is good that Jackie is trying to post human-interest videos, and I liked the first, at least I think that I did. Undoubtedly, this video was intended for another audience -- they can like it.
ursus, You certainly are not one of those to whom I speak. You are very consistent in liking what you read. Jackie's video deserves more recognition than to be dismissed just because one may be of the older generation, particularly when some here have complained that she doesn't do enough social media. Should she have produced something especially appealing to us to warrant our approval? I'm over 70 and appreciate the effort she made to entertain her fans. The least one can do is give it a "like". I'm certain not all comments on YouTube were posted by young girls. Maybe she should have done a demonstration of how to pull an old fart's bushy mustache to get some responses here. Thanks. I guess that there is some difference in opinion as to what "like" signifies here. I do "like" the effort which JE made. I do not "like" the video itself. I watched the beginning and got bored, and then I skipped ahead to see if there was anything different further on.
Just starting to watch a video and getting bored is what happens when I watch the videos of many young performers who are posted here, and I can't use the word "like" for that. The major exception is Emily Bear and to a lesser extent Darci Lynn. The Zeigler sisters and Angelica are just not interesting to me. (I am impressed with the latter having overcome her physical problems.)
I agree that not all of the YouTube comments were made by young girls.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 9:07:33 GMT -5
I would encourage people who log in to post something in here about Jackie or even about one of the other artist, even when they don't agree with someone in here. The more positive the better, but just don't sit on the sidelines.
It would be nice though when someone is critical, a certain individual in here doesn't start up with the name calling.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Mar 20, 2019 9:50:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 10:45:02 GMT -5
I've contended with bg, rickyy, Jasmine E., Anonymous, German/Eulenspiegel, cer and Johnnyb with tenacity equal to their persistence in demeaning Jackie/her parents, and making war against those targeted as otts and musher gushers (I won't dignify those labels with capital letters). So, I am not one to "run off with my tail between my legs". The earlier attackers are gone. A few have been banned while others have disappeared, yet cer remains with his partner johnnyb to further insinuate themselves into the conversation with their anti-fan attitudes.
In brief, despite my defensiveness on behalf of Jackie, her music and her parents, contention is not what I'm here for, and I'm tired of it. Contributing to this forum is wrought with aggravation from cer and johnnyb toward anyone they hold in contempt, and there is no recourse for any of us toward whom they direct their disdain. For me, it's either a choice to remain and tolerate or leave...but neither to be considered in haste. I will withdraw to contemplate, inclined to make no further contributions, unless I see some change is made on behalf of members who should be respected and listened to instead of "ignored". I will not participate under present circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 11:01:53 GMT -5
The solution is really simple...when you see their names ahead of a comment...never read them. lol...they thrive on creating drama here...aka...they have no lives and troll for kicks. Just don't read their comments...they are losers...don't feed the trolls.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 11:32:29 GMT -5
I've contended with bg, rickyy, Jasmine E., Anonymous, German/Eulenspiegel, cer and Johnnyb with tenacity equal to their persistence in demeaning Jackie/her parents, and making war against those targeted as otts and musher gushers (I won't dignify those labels with capital letters). So, I am not one to "run off with my tail between my legs". The earlier attackers are gone. A few have been banned while others have disappeared, yet cer remains with his partner johnnyb to further insinuate themselves into the conversation with their anti-fan attitudes. In brief, despite my defensiveness on behalf of Jackie, her music and her parents, contention is not what I'm here for, and I'm tired of it. Contributing to this forum is wrought with aggravation from cer and johnnyb toward anyone they hold in contempt, and there is no recourse for any of us toward whom they direct their disdain. For me, it's either a choice to remain and tolerate or leave...but neither to be considered in haste. I will withdraw to contemplate, inclined to make no further contributions, unless I see some change is made on behalf of members who should be respected and listened to instead of "ignored". I will not participate under present circumstances. CL In other words, your the victim in all this!? There is another side to this two sided coin from my perspective, and it's called ganging up on members that you don't agree with and who actually follow the rules in here. I'm just not talking about myself because it has happened to others as well. In regards to your gang, that would include members like Wayne, gordie, and for good measure I will throw in oatmealforme as well. Here is a prime example of an overreaction on your part... pointing out that a concert isn't selling out particularly well. If you had been paying close attention, I even have pointed out when they do sell out well. That is just one example, but there are others.
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Post by ursus on May 25, 2019 12:16:43 GMT -5
I've contended with bg, rickyy, Jasmine E., Anonymous, German/Eulenspiegel, cer and Johnnyb with tenacity equal to their persistence in demeaning Jackie/her parents, and making war against those targeted as otts and musher gushers (I won't dignify those labels with capital letters). So, I am not one to "run off with my tail between my legs". The earlier attackers are gone. A few have been banned while others have disappeared, yet cer remains with his partner johnnyb to further insinuate themselves into the conversation with their anti-fan attitudes. In brief, despite my defensiveness on behalf of Jackie, her music and her parents, contention is not what I'm here for, and I'm tired of it. Contributing to this forum is wrought with aggravation from cer and johnnyb toward anyone they hold in contempt, and there is no recourse for any of us toward whom they direct their disdain. For me, it's either a choice to remain and tolerate or leave...but neither to be considered in haste. I will withdraw to contemplate, inclined to make no further contributions, unless I see some change is made on behalf of members who should be respected and listened to instead of "ignored". I will not participate under present circumstances. CL CL,
I certainly hope that you stay. Although I do not have the exact same opinion as you do as to what should and what shouldn't be tolerated here, I am closer to your opinion than cer's opinion.
As was said, you don't have to read cer's posts if you don't want to. When I see the post which he is replying to, I can accurately predict what he will say.
As to your posts, you contribute a lot of information about Jackie here, and that is why I read this forum.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 12:25:36 GMT -5
I've contended with bg, rickyy, Jasmine E., Anonymous, German/Eulenspiegel, cer and Johnnyb with tenacity equal to their persistence in demeaning Jackie/her parents, and making war against those targeted as otts and musher gushers (I won't dignify those labels with capital letters). So, I am not one to "run off with my tail between my legs". The earlier attackers are gone. A few have been banned while others have disappeared, yet cer remains with his partner johnnyb to further insinuate themselves into the conversation with their anti-fan attitudes. In brief, despite my defensiveness on behalf of Jackie, her music and her parents, contention is not what I'm here for, and I'm tired of it. Contributing to this forum is wrought with aggravation from cer and johnnyb toward anyone they hold in contempt, and there is no recourse for any of us toward whom they direct their disdain. For me, it's either a choice to remain and tolerate or leave...but neither to be considered in haste. I will withdraw to contemplate, inclined to make no further contributions, unless I see some change is made on behalf of members who should be respected and listened to instead of "ignored". I will not participate under present circumstances. CL CL,
I certainly hope that you stay. Although I do not have the exact same opinion as you do as to what should and what shouldn't be tolerated here, I am closer to your opinion than cer's opinion.
As was said, you don't have to read cer's posts if you don't want to. When I see the post which he is replying to, I can accurately predict what he will say.
As to your posts, you contribute a lot of information about Jackie here, and that is why I read this forum.
I have never really had a problem with you URSUS, I'm sorry you have one with me.
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Post by johnnyb on May 25, 2019 13:27:59 GMT -5
CL,
I certainly hope that you stay. Although I do not have the exact same opinion as you do as to what should and what shouldn't be tolerated here, I am closer to your opinion than cer's opinion.
As was said, you don't have to read cer's posts if you don't want to. When I see the post which he is replying to, I can accurately predict what he will say.
As to your posts, you contribute a lot of information about Jackie here, and that is why I read this forum.
I have never really had a problem with you URSUS, I'm sorry you have one with me. Just ignore them Cer, it's all fake news. Their goal is to create a little Jackie the Angel 😇 utopia club. Rick has stated that's not the kind of forum he wants to participate in.
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Post by ursus on May 25, 2019 14:15:25 GMT -5
CL,
I certainly hope that you stay. Although I do not have the exact same opinion as you do as to what should and what shouldn't be tolerated here, I am closer to your opinion than cer's opinion.
As was said, you don't have to read cer's posts if you don't want to. When I see the post which he is replying to, I can accurately predict what he will say.
As to your posts, you contribute a lot of information about Jackie here, and that is why I read this forum.
I have never really had a problem with you URSUS, I'm sorry you have one with me. I read what you post except when you post about AH, whose singing does nothing for me. I am impressed with her back story, but after learning about it I moved on. I just think that you have become quite predictable. I too am concerned about attendance at Jackie's concerts, and I suspect she herself is, but how often should that be posted about a single concert?
I have nothing against posts about other artists here. Indeed, as you know, I often post about Emily Bear. I think that I wrote in my first post here, in a thread which seems to have been deleted entitled "Introduce Yourself" or something similar, that Emily was responsible for introducing me to Jackie. About eight years ago, I googled the name of a niece who has a very similar name to Emily's and all the top links were to EB. I watched a couple of her videos which included in the others to watch list some of Jackie's videos including those from AGT. I then watched those and, like many, was floored. I don't think that I watched any other Emily Bear videos for a couple of years, but then they were suggested by Jackie's videos.
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Post by agog on May 26, 2019 11:37:49 GMT -5
Just ignore them Cer, it's all fake news. Their goal is to create a little Jackie the Angel 😇 utopia club. Rick has stated that's not the kind of forum he wants to participate in. While I don't agree with your barely passive/aggressive negative assessment of the goals of the few remaining Jackie fans on this site I do have a suggestion for those who dislike Jackie and her somewhat still enthusiastic fans. My suggestion is go to the other two of the now three Jackie proboards sites. On both of those sites you will find like minded people who do not like or appreciate Jackie or her fans. People who DO like Jackie, people who DO appreciate her remarkable gift, people who DO wish to remain loyal supporters deserve to have at least one site where their appreciation for Jackie's past and hope for Jackie's future can be posted without UTBs mocking them. It doesn't take much insight to realize that chronic UTBers who stick around a fan site years on end denigrating the subject and the more socialized loyalist fans who support that subject (in this case JME) have internal issues that they are playing out under cover of internet anonymity. In real life they would be shunned and not invited back to the party...or worse.
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