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Post by lawrence on Aug 9, 2022 11:05:02 GMT -5
"Blue" Songs are like tattoos You know I've been to sea before Crown and anchor me Or let me sail away Hey, Blue, here is a song for you Ink on a pin Underneath the skin An empty space to fill in Well, there's so many sinking now You gotta keep thinking You can make it through these waves Acid, booze, and ass Needles, guns, and grass Lots of laughs, lots of laughs Everybody's saying that Hell's the hippest way to go Well, I don't think so But I'm gonna take a look around it, though Blue, I love you Hey, Blue, here is a shell for you Inside you'll hear a sigh A foggy lullaby
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 1:41:15 GMT -5
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Post by lawrence on Aug 11, 2022 10:19:47 GMT -5
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Aug 13, 2022 7:42:19 GMT -5
It is possible to pre order Carousel Of Time at Amazon Germany and Amazon UK right now. So I guess, you can order it all over Europe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2022 9:22:03 GMT -5
ROFL...in the "Folk Music" Chart? Ha ha...5, 7, 8 & 9...it the FOLK MUSIC chart? hahahahahahaha
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Post by lawrence on Aug 13, 2022 10:05:37 GMT -5
ROFL...in the "Folk Music" Chart? Ha ha...5, 7, 8 & 9...it the FOLK MUSIC chart? hahahahahahaha What chart would you have expected them to be on?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2022 13:46:38 GMT -5
ROFL...in the "Folk Music" Chart? Ha ha...5, 7, 8 & 9...it the FOLK MUSIC chart? hahahahahahaha What chart would you have expected them to be on? That's not the question. The point is it's not very impressive be highly ranked on the folk music chart, certainly nothing to brag about. It's kind of like finishing 5th in a race, then finding out there were only 8 people in the race. Or even better, being second on the classical charts to then find out that 200 year old Mozart music was #1. lol
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Post by lawrence on Aug 15, 2022 12:37:10 GMT -5
One might dismiss it as laughable that Jackie's newly released singles found prominence on the Folk Music Chart, all four ranked among the top 10 at once, apparently because one also dismisses folk music as having any significance in the music industry. That reflects a certain ignorance of the history of the development of folk music, specifically the Folk Revival era songs of the 60s, and its place in American Culture. Folk Revival songs, or contemporary folk songs as they are called, use a story-telling structure that grew out of the oral tradition of early folk music going back hundreds of years and to other countries, using the verse-chorus structure and many of its themes transplanted in modern America. "One of the core tenets of folk music is that it can be sung by the lay-person. It's accessible, and it's catchy." In addition to being an homage to American history, one of its other defining characteristics is its causes, songs in support of protesting the Vietnam war, climate change, etc. Causes go on and so does the music. Singers everywhere have championed civil rights, conservation, and civil responsibility throughout the century. The causes have changed and so have the singers since the folk revival era of the 60s. Although its content and style may vary, musicologists all agree upon what is consistent:
It has a strong sense of cultural identity. It has specific instrumentation, particularly fiddles and the 12-string banjo. It is theme oriented...sometimes love, sometimes disaster, and sometimes a common cause What never changes is its accessibility. It was designed by the working class to be sung by the working class...the kind of music anyone can sing.
Resource: What Is Folk Music? by Mark Jones
Jackie's covers of Joni Mitchell appear on the Top 100 Folk Music chart among some of its most notable artists....Gordon Lightfoot, John Denver, Willie Nelson, Simon and Garfunkel, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Paul Simon, Judy Collins to name a few of the most recognizable to our generation. What is significant to me is that ranking high on the chart adds undeniable credibility to Jackie's reputation for crossing boundaries as an artist, having ventured into multiple genres, not just in her albums, but with single recordings such as La Vie En Rose (jazz), Apocalypse (pop), Dreams (R&B). Carousel of Time is a definitive departure, all be it a temporary one I suspect, from Classical Crossover into the Folk genre. It is evident that this will be her first album to not hit the classical chart. It's apparent from statements Jackie has made throughout her career to the effect that she will not be limited to singing one kind of music or singing in a certain style, she has stuck to that conviction. Furthermore it seems to matter less to her that her albums don't sell like hotcakes than that she records/performs songs that are meaningful to her by artists who's themes inspire her, such as Joni Mitchell to whom she has paid tribute with Carousel of Time. "Drawing from folk, pop, rock, classical, and jazz, Mitchell's songs often reflect on social and philosophical ideals as well as her feelings about romance, womanhood, disillusionment and joy". That by definition places her music, specifically the songs Jackie selected, appropriately on the Folk Music Chart. Carousel of Time is not likely to sell big, though it will be interesting to see how it ranks on the chart, as a matter of interest, though not one of critical importance. I'm particularly curious to see what Jackie has written in her songwriting sessions in Nashville, what she may have gleaned from Joni's work, and what influence Fred Mollin may have had upon the arrangement and instrumentation, if in fact he has been involved.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 14:50:54 GMT -5
One might dismiss it as laughable that Jackie's newly released singles found prominence on the Folk Music Chart, all four ranked among the top 10 at once, apparently because one also dismisses folk music as having any significance in the music industry. That reflects a certain ignorance of the history of the development of folk music, specifically the Folk Revival era songs of the 60s, and its place in American Culture. Folk Revival songs, or contemporary folk songs as they are called, use a story-telling structure that grew out of the oral tradition of early folk music going back hundreds of years and to other countries, using the verse-chorus structure and many of its themes transplanted in modern America. "One of the core tenets of folk music is that it can be sung by the lay-person. It's accessible, and it's catchy." In addition to being an homage to American history, one of its other defining characteristics is its causes, songs in support of protesting the Vietnam war, climate change, etc. Causes go on and so does the music. Singers everywhere have championed civil rights, conservation, and civil responsibility throughout the century. The causes have changed and so have the singers since the folk revival era of the 60s. Although its content and style may vary, musicologists all agree upon what is consistent: It has a strong sense of cultural identity. It has specific instrumentation, particularly fiddles and the 12-string banjo. It is theme oriented...sometimes love, sometimes disaster, and sometimes a common cause What never changes is its accessibility. It was designed by the working class to be sung by the working class...the kind of music anyone can sing. Resource: What Is Folk Music? by Mark Jones Jackie's covers of Joni Mitchell appear on the Top 100 Folk Music chart among some of its most notable artists....Gordon Lightfoot, John Denver, Willie Nelson, Simon and Garfunkel, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Paul Simon, Judy Collins to name a few of the most recognizable to our generation. What is significant to me is that ranking high on the chart adds undeniable credibility to Jackie's reputation for crossing boundaries as an artist, having ventured into multiple genres, not just in her albums, but with single recordings such as La Vie En Rose (jazz), Apocalypse (pop), Dreams (R&B). Carousel of Time is a definitive departure, all be it a temporary one I suspect, from Classical Crossover into the Folk genre. It is evident that this will be her first album to not hit the classical chart. It's apparent from statements Jackie has made throughout her career to the effect that she will not be limited to singing one kind of music or singing in a certain style, she has stuck to that conviction. Furthermore it seems to matter less to her that her albums don't sell like hotcakes than that she records/performs songs that are meaningful to her by artists who's themes inspire her, such as Joni Mitchell to whom she has paid tribute with Carousel of Time. "Drawing from folk, pop, rock, classical, and jazz, Mitchell's songs often reflect on social and philosophical ideals as well as her feelings about romance, womanhood, disillusionment and joy". That by definition places her music, specifically the songs Jackie selected, appropriately on the Folk Music Chart. Carousel of Time is not likely to sell big, though it will be interesting to see how it ranks on the chart, as a matter of interest, though not one of critical importance. I'm particularly curious to see what Jackie has written in her songwriting sessions in Nashville, what she may have gleaned from Joni's work, and what influence Fred Mollin may have had upon the arrangement and instrumentation, if in fact he has been involved. I'm certain you aren't attempting to compare the level of success of Jackie's new album to that of Gordon Lightfoot, John Denver, Willie Nelson, Simon and Garfunkel, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Paul Simon, Judy Collins. Also, era matters. Folks music was far more popular in the 60s and 70s for instance than it is today. What one might dismiss as largely irrelevant today, especially in the U.S., might have been far more significant decades ago.
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Post by lawrence on Aug 16, 2022 12:28:52 GMT -5
I'm certain you aren't attempting to compare the level of success of Jackie's new album to that of Gordon Lightfoot, John Denver, Willie Nelson, Simon and Garfunkel, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Paul Simon, Judy Collins. Also, era matters. Folks music was far more popular in the 60s and 70s for instance than it is today. What one might dismiss as largely irrelevant today, especially in the U.S., might have been far more significant decades ago. I'm emphasizing that folk music, having been recorded and performed by the likes of Gordon Lightfoot, John Denver, etc. is not an irrelevant and "obscure" genre to be dismissed, as you described it in an earlier post. These are legendary artists, some of whom are still relevant as is Joni Mitchell to whom Jackie is paying tribute with Carousel of Time. There are many new folk artists today as can be seen by their names on the chart. It's not my intention to compare Jackie's success with that of the legends....that would be absurd. The fact that her singles ranked high on the chart show that Jackie is acknowledged for having crossed into the Folk genre with significant recognition, not as a folk singer of course, but as a versatile artist who has covered numerous and varied genres throughout her career. This is the first time her music has been categorized accurately under the title, Folk Music, as would be expected by having represented Joni Mitchell. All her previous albums have been assigned to the "Classical" chart regardless that most of her repertoire has not been classical. Btw, many of her songs from the beginning have been "era" songs of the past. With regard to the relevancy of folk music, here is an excerpt from "Folk Music Today: What's Happening Today and Why it Matters", Aug, 2022: "Folk music is often seen as being stuck in the past, but nothing could be further from the truth. Folk music is very much alive and well, and it is evolving and changing all the time. In fact, some of the most exciting and innovative music being made today is in the folk genre. So what is happening in folk music today? And why does it matter? One of the most exciting things that is happening in folk music today is a renewed focus on storytelling. In an age where we are constantly bombarded with news and information, there is something very powerful about hearing a well-crafted story that can transport us to another place and time. Folk musicians are some of the best storytellers around, and they are using their songs to explore a wide range of topics, from personal stories to social commentary. Another trend that is happening in folk music today is a move away from traditional instrumentation. While acoustic guitars and banjos are still very much a part of the folk scene, there is also a growing appetite for different sounds and textures. This has led to an increase in the use of electric guitars, keyboards, drums, and even synth effects. This expanded palette of sounds allows folk musicians to create more dynamic and interesting songs. Finally, there is a renewed interest in political activism in folk music today. This was always a part of the genre (think Woody Guthrie or Phil Ochs), but it has taken on new urgency in recent years. With the rise of populism and xenophobia around the world, many folk musicians are using their songs to speak out against these forces and to champion social justice. These are just some of the exciting things that are happening in folk music today. If you want to stay up-to-date on what’s happening in this ever-changing genre, be sure to check out some of the great folk artists working today."..... "Though it has undergone many changes throughout the years, folk music remains popular even in today’s society. This can be attributed to the fact that folk music has the ability to connect with people on a personal level. In a world that is constantly changing, folk music provides a sense of stability and nostalgia. It is a reminder of simpler times and allows people to escape the stress of their everyday lives". walnutcreekband.org/folk-music-today/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 13:08:07 GMT -5
I'm certain you aren't attempting to compare the level of success of Jackie's new album to that of Gordon Lightfoot, John Denver, Willie Nelson, Simon and Garfunkel, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Paul Simon, Judy Collins. Also, era matters. Folks music was far more popular in the 60s and 70s for instance than it is today. What one might dismiss as largely irrelevant today, especially in the U.S., might have been far more significant decades ago. I'm emphasizing that folk music, having been recorded and performed by the likes of Gordon Lightfoot, John Denver, etc. is not an irrelevant and "obscure" genre to be dismissed, as you described it in an earlier post. These are legendary artists, some of whom are still relevant as is Joni Mitchell to whom Jackie is paying tribute with Carousel of Time. There are many new folk artists today as can be seen by their names on the chart. It's not my intention to compare Jackie's success with that of the legends....that would be absurd. The fact that her singles ranked high on the chart show that Jackie is acknowledged for having crossed into the Folk genre with significant recognition, not as a folk singer of course, but as a versatile artist who has covered numerous and varied genres throughout her career. This is the first time her music has been categorized accurately under the title, Folk Music, as would be expected by having represented Joni Mitchell. All her previous albums have been assigned to the "Classical" chart regardless that most of her repertoire has not been classical. Btw, many of her songs from the beginning have been "era" songs of the past. With regard to the relevancy of folk music, here is an excerpt from "Folk Music Today: What's Happening Today and Why it Matters", Aug, 2022: "Folk music is often seen as being stuck in the past, but nothing could be further from the truth. Folk music is very much alive and well, and it is evolving and changing all the time. In fact, some of the most exciting and innovative music being made today is in the folk genre. So what is happening in folk music today? And why does it matter? One of the most exciting things that is happening in folk music today is a renewed focus on storytelling. In an age where we are constantly bombarded with news and information, there is something very powerful about hearing a well-crafted story that can transport us to another place and time. Folk musicians are some of the best storytellers around, and they are using their songs to explore a wide range of topics, from personal stories to social commentary. Another trend that is happening in folk music today is a move away from traditional instrumentation. While acoustic guitars and banjos are still very much a part of the folk scene, there is also a growing appetite for different sounds and textures. This has led to an increase in the use of electric guitars, keyboards, drums, and even synth effects. This expanded palette of sounds allows folk musicians to create more dynamic and interesting songs. Finally, there is a renewed interest in political activism in folk music today. This was always a part of the genre (think Woody Guthrie or Phil Ochs), but it has taken on new urgency in recent years. With the rise of populism and xenophobia around the world, many folk musicians are using their songs to speak out against these forces and to champion social justice. These are just some of the exciting things that are happening in folk music today. If you want to stay up-to-date on what’s happening in this ever-changing genre, be sure to check out some of the great folk artists working today."..... "Though it has undergone many changes throughout the years, folk music remains popular even in today’s society. This can be attributed to the fact that folk music has the ability to connect with people on a personal level. In a world that is constantly changing, folk music provides a sense of stability and nostalgia. It is a reminder of simpler times and allows people to escape the stress of their everyday lives". walnutcreekband.org/folk-music-today/Proof will be in the pudding. Lets see what her album online sales #s are. LoL...the sales #s and concert attendance wont be any different than they have been for the last few album releases. Lets cut the crap here, shall we? Jackie is singing old people music that she hopes her remaining, declining geriatric fan base will like and remember from many decades ago. Joni Mitchell songs have been covered ad nauseam over the decades. It's not new, its not original, its not particularly interesting, and it won't appeal to younger people, most of whom have no idea who Jakie Evancho is. Sure, her small but loyal fan base will be okay with pretty much anything Jackie puts out, even though they prefer her singing they classical stuff that made her famous over a decade ago as a child singer. Lets stop the pretense that things like finishing right below a Beethovan cd is impressive, shall we? Its one thing to be a fan. Its another thing to be disingenuous and intelluctually dishonest.
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Post by lawrence on Aug 16, 2022 15:32:08 GMT -5
Proof will be in the pudding. Lets see what her album online sales #s are. LoL...the sales #s and concert attendance wont be any different than they have been for the last few album releases. Lets cut the crap here, shall we? Furthermore it seems to matter less to her that her albums don't sell like hotcakes than that she records/performs songs that are meaningful to her by artists who's themes inspire her, such as Joni Mitchell to whom she has paid tribute with Carousel of Time....Carousel of Time is not likely to sell big, though it will be interesting to see how it ranks on the chart, as a matter of interest, though not one of critical importance. I've said nothing about her rankings on the folk chart leading to better album sales or concert attendance, nor have I inferred it. It's not new, its not original, its not particularly interesting Your opinion is noted. And, it's apparent you won't buy the album for attend a "Jackie Evancho Sings Joni Mitchell" concert. That's fine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 17:15:36 GMT -5
Proof will be in the pudding. Lets see what her album online sales #s are. LoL...the sales #s and concert attendance wont be any different than they have been for the last few album releases. Lets cut the crap here, shall we? Furthermore it seems to matter less to her that her albums don't sell like hotcakes than that she records/performs songs that are meaningful to her by artists who's themes inspire her, such as Joni Mitchell to whom she has paid tribute with Carousel of Time....Carousel of Time is not likely to sell big, though it will be interesting to see how it ranks on the chart, as a matter of interest, though not one of critical importance. I've said nothing about her rankings on the folk chart leading to better album sales or concert attendance, nor have I inferred it. It's not new, its not original, its not particularly interesting Your opinion is noted. And, it's apparent you won't buy the album for attend a "Jackie Evancho Sings Joni Mitchell" concert. That's fine. Incorrect, I have pre-ordered her new album, I really like her take on some of these songs, esp. Case of You, and I fully intend to attend one of these upcoming concerts. I'm speaking in terms of objective truth about the level of success that I think this album will have, that's it. In terms of my comments on the "charts", I have just been pointing out that doing well on some charts isn't nearly as impressive as doing well on others. I can be a Jackie fan, love her voice and appreciate new albums, while at the same time be objective about the state of her career, my take on the level of success I think any given album will have, and how significant or insignificant her placing on any given chart is. It's called objectivity. If I believed that Jackie read these comments, I would be far more careful about what I wrote as I wouldn't want to hurt feelings or discourage her in any way. However, I don't believe she reads these comments so I feel free to be completely honest about my take on things.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 13:36:02 GMT -5
We can't decide whether this album is a success or not, only those responsible can do that. From September it will become clear how high the interest in "Jackie sings Joni" is. It will also be interesting to see which songs Jackie still has in the program, the ten from the album are not enough for a complete program.
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