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Post by ursus on Dec 30, 2018 13:35:46 GMT -5
Another great performance by Olivia Newton john
Olivia Newton John "sings" it well, but she cannot act it well. In no way does she suggest the imperious,forceful woman who managed to make herself the idol of her country's "shirtless ones" and sustain her husband's long grip on power. It was the acting that impressed Lloyd-Webber. Do you expect Max Born's granddaughter to be able to act also?
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Post by rob49 on Dec 30, 2018 16:39:10 GMT -5
Another great performance by Olivia Newton john
Olivia Newton John "sings" it well, but she cannot act it well. In no way does she suggest the imperious,forceful woman who managed to make herself the idol of her country's "shirtless ones" and sustain her husband's long grip on power. It was the acting that impressed Lloyd-Webber. Olivia's rendition was MILES ahead of the version by the 'singer' you posted
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Post by rob49 on Dec 30, 2018 16:50:55 GMT -5
This will give you a hint of how it would sound if sung by Jackie, but just a hint. Jackie's verison would of course express much more emotion, and truly draw her audience into story with her.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 18:48:51 GMT -5
Olivia Newton John "sings" it well, but she cannot act it well. In no way does she suggest the imperious,forceful woman who managed to make herself the idol of her country's "shirtless ones" and sustain her husband's long grip on power. It was the acting that impressed Lloyd-Webber. Olivia's rendition was MILES ahead of the version by the 'singer' you posted I don't agree. Olivia's rendition was pretty, she sang it like a pretty ballad, but it wouldn't have worked on stage as part of the musical. Nicole nailed it and ALW obviously thought so too, and of course it's his opinion that really matters.
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Post by johnnyb on Dec 30, 2018 19:05:58 GMT -5
Would love for Jackie to give this a shot in front of a full orchestra.
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Post by rob49 on Dec 30, 2018 19:06:04 GMT -5
Olivia's rendition was MILES ahead of the version by the 'singer' you posted I don't agree. Olivia's rendition was pretty, she sang it like a pretty ballad, but it wouldn't have worked on stage as part of the musical. Nicole nailed it and ALW obviously thought so too, and of course it's his opinion that really matters. You sure you have that right, and not that it was ALW who nailed it. Wasn't that the order it went with Brightman?
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Post by rob49 on Dec 30, 2018 19:08:27 GMT -5
Would love for Jackie to give this a shot in front of a full orchestra. So would all of Jackie's fans. And every one of them would love it. Jackie's performance would be much like Elaine, full of the emotion required and beautiful beyond belief.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 19:18:54 GMT -5
This will give you a hint of how it would sound if sung by Jackie, but just a hint. Jackie's verison would of course express much more emotion, and truly draw her audience into story with her. You do know that Karen Carpenter was known to be quite emotional when she sang, and I'm sure drew her audience into this story being told.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 21:21:28 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice that all of the preceding clips of vocalists singing their rendition of the song were over 18 at the time of recording. Seems to me Jackie has lots of time to consider undertaking her version. Be patient grasshoppers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 21:28:04 GMT -5
I've not commented on the title of this thread "Is Jackie just another pretty voice"
NO . . . Jackie is NOT JUST another pretty voice . . . she is also a pretty face and a pretty nice young person. I'm sure there is much more that could be added but that pretty well sums it up for me.
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Dec 31, 2018 14:44:58 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice that all of the preceding clips of vocalists singing their rendition of the song were over 18 at the time of recording. Seems to me Jackie has lots of time to consider undertaking her version. Be patient grasshoppers. Absolutely, as I acknowledged in my initial post. Naive teenagers should not sing songs beyond their experience. And Jackie HASN'T sung this. Nor is it likely that any producer would cast her in the part if she were 30 or 5 inches taller. That is not who she seems to be, at least in her public persona. And probably not who she wants to be. Lucky is the performer who gets a "signature" song that makes her famous. Think Judy Garland. Wizard of Oz was a major movie production of that time and a big hit. But the song transcended it. Not because it was a great song, but because, for one thing, it reflected the melancholy uncertainty of the times. But also because it reflected Garland's own unhappy life and yearning for safety and happiness. That gave it its depth when she sang it, whenever she sang it and made her an icon in her mature, post-MGM musical years. To a lesser extent, the same thing happened to I Dreamed a Dream when Susan Boyle sang it on BGT almost 10 years ago. As Cameron Mackintosh, the producer of Les Miz said at the time, "no one owned I Dreamed a Dream until Susan Boyle", although many had sung it in the play. But it was because Susan Boyle was singing HER life, not Fantine's, that gave her performance its emotional impact and its repetitions through Youtube, thereafter, made her a worldwide sensation. She's on the glide path to retirement now, rich and contented as her form of autism allows her to be, and in the arms of her little village where she has had the good sense to remain.
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Post by ursus on Dec 31, 2018 15:58:32 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice that all of the preceding clips of vocalists singing their rendition of the song were over 18 at the time of recording. Seems to me Jackie has lots of time to consider undertaking her version. Be patient grasshoppers. Absolutely, as I acknowledged in my initial post. Naive teenagers should not sing songs beyond their experience. And Jackie HASN'T sung this. Nor is it likely that any producer would cast her in the part if she were 30 or 5 inches taller. That is not who she seems to be, at least in her public persona. And probably not who she wants to be. Lucky is the performer who gets a "signature" song that makes her famous. Think Judy Garland. Wizard of Oz was a major movie production of that time and a big hit. But the song transcended it. Not because it was a great song, but because, for one thing, it reflected the melancholy uncertainty of the times. But also because it reflected Garland's own unhappy life and yearning for safety and happiness. That gave it its depth when she sang it, whenever she sang it and made her an icon in her mature, post-MGM musical years. To a lesser extent, the same thing happened to I Dreamed a Dream when Susan Boyle sang it on BGT almost 10 years ago. As Cameron Mackintosh, the producer of Les Miz said at the time, "no one owned I Dreamed a Dream until Susan Boyle", although many had sung it in the play. But it was because Susan Boyle was singing HER life, not Fantine's, that gave her performance its emotional impact and its repetitions through Youtube, thereafter, made her a worldwide sensation. She's on the glide path to retirement now, rich and contented as her form of autism allows her to be, and in the arms of her little village where she has had the good sense to remain. She can sing the song without having to play the part. I agree that she is not suitable for the part of Eva Peron, and due to her height may never be. She has sung many songs well, starting with O Mio Babbino Caro, which were not age appropriate. And Nessun Dorma was not gender appropriate either, but she certainly has sung it well.
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Post by rob49 on Dec 31, 2018 16:07:46 GMT -5
Did anyone else notice that all of the preceding clips of vocalists singing their rendition of the song were over 18 at the time of recording. Seems to me Jackie has lots of time to consider undertaking her version. Be patient grasshoppers. Absolutely, as I acknowledged in my initial post. Naive teenagers should not sing songs beyond their experience. And Jackie HASN'T sung this. Nor is it likely that any producer would cast her in the part if she were 30 or 5 inches taller. That is not who she seems to be, at least in her public persona. And probably not who she wants to be. Lucky is the performer who gets a "signature" song that makes her famous. Think Judy Garland. Wizard of Oz was a major movie production of that time and a big hit. But the song transcended it. Not because it was a great song, but because, for one thing, it reflected the melancholy uncertainty of the times. But also because it reflected Garland's own unhappy life and yearning for safety and happiness. That gave it its depth when she sang it, whenever she sang it and made her an icon in her mature, post-MGM musical years. To a lesser extent, the same thing happened to I Dreamed a Dream when Susan Boyle sang it on BGT almost 10 years ago. As Cameron Mackintosh, the producer of Les Miz said at the time, "no one owned I Dreamed a Dream until Susan Boyle", although many had sung it in the play. But it was because Susan Boyle was singing HER life, not Fantine's, that gave her performance its emotional impact and its repetitions through Youtube, thereafter, made her a worldwide sensation. She's on the glide path to retirement now, rich and contented as her form of autism allows her to be, and in the arms of her little village where she has had the good sense to remain. Your post is fine for a normal young gifted vocalist. But it is meaningless dribble when speaking about Jackie. She was able to express all the emotion this song requires since she was 10. Of course being that young she could not have been cast in a play or movie. At 18 that is not the case. Lucky is the songwriter that finds Jackie to make their song the "Signature" song that it could be !
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Post by oatmealforme on Dec 31, 2018 16:27:20 GMT -5
I see discussions of what songs are appropriate for Jackie to sing, but we find that she sings songs that beforehand we or shall I say others thought were age-inappropriate. Now, I saw the Summer of 42 when it came out in 1971, and the meaning of the song was obvious in the context of the movie. Her version of this age-inappropriate song was better than the original, and it seemed to me to be sung by a woman rather than being sung by the then 12 year old Jackie. It was the first song that made me forget that a child was singing it. There is no song other than foul or crudely suggestive songs that I would say are inappropriate and not because of age.
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Dec 31, 2018 19:06:09 GMT -5
Absolutely, as I acknowledged in my initial post. Naive teenagers should not sing songs beyond their experience. And Jackie HASN'T sung this. Nor is it likely that any producer would cast her in the part if she were 30 or 5 inches taller. That is not who she seems to be, at least in her public persona. And probably not who she wants to be. Lucky is the performer who gets a "signature" song that makes her famous. Think Judy Garland. Wizard of Oz was a major movie production of that time and a big hit. But the song transcended it. Not because it was a great song, but because, for one thing, it reflected the melancholy uncertainty of the times. But also because it reflected Garland's own unhappy life and yearning for safety and happiness. That gave it its depth when she sang it, whenever she sang it and made her an icon in her mature, post-MGM musical years. To a lesser extent, the same thing happened to I Dreamed a Dream when Susan Boyle sang it on BGT almost 10 years ago. As Cameron Mackintosh, the producer of Les Miz said at the time, "no one owned I Dreamed a Dream until Susan Boyle", although many had sung it in the play. But it was because Susan Boyle was singing HER life, not Fantine's, that gave her performance its emotional impact and its repetitions through Youtube, thereafter, made her a worldwide sensation. She's on the glide path to retirement now, rich and contented as her form of autism allows her to be, and in the arms of her little village where she has had the good sense to remain. She can sing the song without having to play the part. I agree that she is not suitable for the part of Eva Peron, and due to her height may never be. She has sung many songs well, starting with O Mio Babbino Caro, which were not age appropriate. And Nessun Dorma was not gender appropriate either, but she certainly has sung it well. Right. But for one thing, "Argentina" is in English and about not too distant historical events. Most non-opera people don't have any idea what the other popular arias Jackie sings mean. The lyrics are mostly in Italian.They are listening to the melodies which are suited to Jackie's lovely tone. As they are to that of other classical crossover singers, which is why they're heard so frequently. They can be and are sung by both male and female CC singers of all ages. My point was that if Jackie expects to be on Broadway, as she said, she will have to learn to "act", as well as sing, the character she's auditioning for, and well enough to persuade the producer and director she will be better in the part than her competitors. As Lloyd-Webber emphasized when Michael Ball was praising Scherzinger's singing, he said, but what a performance, THE ACTING.
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