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Post by rickolsen on Oct 16, 2018 13:03:12 GMT -5
Jackie is a professional with 8 years experience. She has produced 3 PBS specials, one movie, 7 albums, and going on 200 concerts. Suppose a major league power hitter tried out for a little league team and didn't make it. He would be a laughing stock. That is Jackie on this AGT show. As usual she and her people weren't thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 13:03:44 GMT -5
It won't hurt her career, but it won't give it a boost either. Team Evancho needs to be much more careful moving forward. Team Evancho should have been shown the door a long time ago. As parents they have the best intentions for their daughter and that is the problem, what's good for Jackie the normal kid isn't necessarily what's best for Jackie the professional singer. I tend to agree with your attitude that certain members of Team Evancho should have exited stage left a long time ago. Let the parents be the parents, and leave everything else to the professionals.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 13:16:17 GMT -5
I'll try to respond to the above replies. I said Jackie "probably felt obligated to participate", not "loyal" to anyone. Maybe she felt between a rock and a hard place. Of course she wanted the exposure, but I don't think she expected to win. She knows she doesn't have the Wow factor that made her famous as a child. It seems to have been a mistake because of the result. Jackie simply didn't perform well enough to impress, or her competitors at the time had more appealing acts (we don't know). Had she moved on, this might be a different conversation. Jackie didn't perform well at the inauguration (seemingly). That was a difficult decision for her, but she took the path she felt was appropriate. You can say that was a bad decision. But, what if she had Wowed the world? It would have been a different story, no doubt, at least with regard to her performance (politics aside). "Maybe she felt between a rock and a hard place. Of course she wanted the exposure, but I don't think she expected to win."I would think that usually for most performers you compete on a show like this, and particularly if you are as talented as Jackie is, you certainly would think that you have a chance to win. So, I'm NOT buying that one at all. "To wonder why any "professional singer would put themselves in such an awful position" is to preclude that they all had something to lose, not just Jackie. Singers have been an integral part of AGT, so they must be as responsive as any other kind of professional entertainer. There can be only one winner. So, was it foolish or a mistake for anyone, regardless of their "act", to compete?"Absolutely nothing wrong with singers competing because of their winning history with AGT, but why risk that exposure in Jackie's case where she is already a pro!? What really is troubling for JE is that it comes across that she just mailed it in with that performance. However, to be fair, these are just first impressions from someone who was supposedly there. So, I'm looking forward to see for myself how good or not so good she was that day.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 13:18:08 GMT -5
Jackie is a professional with 8 years experience. She has produced 3 PBS specials, one movie, 7 albums, and going on 200 concerts. Suppose a major league power hitter tried out for a little league team and didn't make it. He would be a laughing stock. That is Jackie on this AGT show. As usual she and her people weren't thinking. Many others who participated are professionals with successful careers. Are they "laughing stock" as well? You're showing your disdain again. The more often you do it, the more apparent it is. You have to ask yourself, Why didn't she, a "power hitter", advance in this "little league" competition?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 13:27:57 GMT -5
Jackie is a professional with 8 years experience. She has produced 3 PBS specials, one movie, 7 albums, and going on 200 concerts. Suppose a major league power hitter tried out for a little league team and didn't make it. He would be a laughing stock. That is Jackie on this AGT show. As usual she and her people weren't thinking. Many others who participated are professionals with successful careers. Are they "laughing stock" as well? You're showing your disdain again. The more often you do it, the more apparent it is. You have to ask yourself, Why didn't she, a "power hitter", advance in this "little league" competition? Well some of those others with professional careers or just entering into the entertainment profession advanced whereas recording artist JE didn't. Jackie even has a pretty significant head star over some of those others that ended up advancing. I just wish that she had skipped over this entire competition. P.S. I believe Lawrence still has me on mute, but I still can see his posts, so, I will continue to respond to them, if I choose to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 13:52:54 GMT -5
I'll try to respond to the above replies. I said Jackie "probably felt obligated to participate", not "loyal" to anyone. Maybe she felt between a rock and a hard place. Of course she wanted the exposure, but I don't think she expected to win. She knows she doesn't have the Wow factor that made her famous as a child. It seems to have been a mistake because of the result. Jackie simply didn't perform well enough to impress, or her competitors at the time had more appealing acts (we don't know). Had she moved on, this might be a different conversation. Jackie didn't perform well at the inauguration (seemingly). That was a difficult decision for her, but she took the path she felt was appropriate. You can say that was a bad decision. But, what if she had Wowed the world? It would have been a different story, no doubt, at least with regard to her performance (politics aside). To wonder why any "professional singer would put themselves in such an awful position" is to preclude that they all had something to lose, not just Jackie. Singers have been an integral part of AGT, so they must be as responsive as any other kind of professional entertainer. There can be only one winner. So, was it foolish or a mistake for anyone, regardless of their "act", to compete? Maybe she didn't "expect" to win but she must have thought she had a pretty good shot at it, we all did, or at the very least that she'd be able to beat 2 unknown singers. And why wouldn't she, she sold a lot of albums, does concerts and has been told for 8 years that she's the best singer in the world. I just can't help feeling bad for her but maybe, hopefully, she was able to just shrug it off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 13:57:50 GMT -5
Just a reminder. The competition wasn't about comparing careers, but comparing performances. It doesn't matter that Jackie and Susan Boyle, who advanced by the way, have more successful and longer careers. Jackie's performance apparently didn't impress the judges enough to advance her. That's it. Accept it. She will continue on with her career as will others who won't advance to win either.
All this criticizing and blaming from the same disgruntled people who have nothing to contribute but their contempt for Jackie's parents is really tiresome, and accomplishes nothing. Get over it!
I feel bad for her too, as I did when she wasn't able to do her best at the inauguration. I don't know what she's feeling, but this discussion certainly wouldn't be helpful, let alone re-assuring, if she were to look here for encouragement.
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Post by johnnyb on Oct 16, 2018 14:13:55 GMT -5
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference. If you're going through hell, keep going. Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm.
Jackie seems to have lost that enthusiasm when she was younger. Too much weight has been put on those little shoulders of hers, I put the blame elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 14:59:47 GMT -5
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference. If you're going through hell, keep going. Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm. Jackie seems to have lost that enthusiasm when she was younger. Too much weight has been put on those little shoulders of hers, I put the blame elsewhere. "I put the blame elsewhere." So do I.... starting with the parents when JE was only 10 yo.
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Post by seraphin on Oct 16, 2018 15:04:15 GMT -5
The producers of the show probably wanted a disparate set of finalists: male/female, young/older, novelty (ventriloquist/magician), serious/silly, American/foreign to assure as large an audience as possible. The producers may feel that since Jackie has been seen on AGT a number of times already she would not draw new viewers. These talent shows are the new variety shows a la The Ed Sullivan Show of yore and want something to appeal to every demographic group.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Oct 16, 2018 16:21:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 16:45:57 GMT -5
Thank you, yellowstone This video was published Sept. 21st. Nine of the 14 comments are about Jackie's participation, all within the last 2 hours to just minutes ago.
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Post by jrchico on Oct 16, 2018 17:21:26 GMT -5
Just a reminder. The competition wasn't about comparing careers, but comparing performances. It doesn't matter that Jackie and Susan Boyle, who advanced by the way, have more successful and longer careers. Jackie's performance apparently didn't impress the judges enough to advance her. That's it. Accept it. She will continue on with her career as will others who won't advance to win either. All this criticizing and blaming from the same disgruntled people who have nothing to contribute but their contempt for Jackie's parents is really tiresome, and accomplishes nothing. Get over it! I feel bad for her too, as I did when she wasn't able to do her best at the inauguration. I don't know what she's feeling, but this discussion certainly wouldn't be helpful, let alone re-assuring, if she were to look here for encouragement. i am sorry that you think her inauguration performance was bad. The mainstream media sabotaged the sound broadcast. if you can find a PBS broadcast of the performance you will see what i am talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 17:54:16 GMT -5
Just a reminder. The competition wasn't about comparing careers, but comparing performances. It doesn't matter that Jackie and Susan Boyle, who advanced by the way, have more successful and longer careers. Jackie's performance apparently didn't impress the judges enough to advance her. That's it. Accept it. She will continue on with her career as will others who won't advance to win either. All this criticizing and blaming from the same disgruntled people who have nothing to contribute but their contempt for Jackie's parents is really tiresome, and accomplishes nothing. Get over it! I feel bad for her too, as I did when she wasn't able to do her best at the inauguration. I don't know what she's feeling, but this discussion certainly wouldn't be helpful, let alone re-assuring, if she were to look here for encouragement. i am sorry that you think her inauguration performance was bad. The mainstream media sabotaged the sound broadcast. if you can find a PBS broadcast of the performance you will see what i am talking about. I didn't say her performance was "bad". I said, "she wasn't able to do her best". She said herself on several occasions that she had a cold, sat in freezing weather for hours, and had no warm up time. " A lot of things were going against me". That's why I felt bad for her. I agree the PBS broadcast was the only one that did justice to her performance. I thought it was fine.
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Post by msims on Nov 20, 2018 3:28:33 GMT -5
Both Subo and Jackie have albums to promote and they have Sony behind them, so they were likely asked and agreed. As far as placement on amazon I said that I think many of the recent acts are likely still under contract. Did she have a chance of winning? Well I mean no one has promoted the AGT brand worldwide as Jackie has, also agt got free advertising for their Xmas special when Jackie announced the Trump gig, she trended. Look at the big picture as I always said she gets exposure while her album is either released or in preorder stage. But im sure Simon had in mind who he wanted in finals even before they taped the shows.
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