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Post by Julia Trenholm on Apr 3, 2019 10:31:52 GMT -5
Yes. It was because he said he didn't want a professional kid actor. So when he saw Jackie on AGT, at someone's recommendation, apparently, she had the persona he was looking for, so he asked them to shoot a screen test for him. Both Jackie and her mother said she was awful, but I guess Redford thought he could work with her. PLUS, never forget, although he was getting her at scale, AGT had given Jackie a burst of publicity and I suppose he thought that she would be a cut rate help in getting people in the theater seats. Julia, you started this discussion under "Mistakes", but I've seen no point to it. Just an attempt to diminish Jackie's credibility as a 12 year old 7 years later. It was fortunate for Jackie having been discovered by R. Redford to play a role in his movie. That may be insignificant, and too much having been made of it in your view. But, that was one of many credits to Jackie's history of achievements at that age, which of course she will never forget, nor many of us who felt proud for her. Is there a purpose to belaboring your less than proud perspective? CL, I'm an observer. I try to to see events realistically, as I do for Susan Boyle, who is now settling into a prosperous retirement, as happy as people on the autism spectrum can ever be. As I've said, I was originally drawn to this group, because of Lisa's presence. It was a chance to observe a real life Mama Rose in action. As to being "proud", of Jackie's accomplishments, I save that for my own children. I had nothing to do with Jackie's. Jackie owes everything to her mother's hard work and determination. She now has left her mother behind as she enters on her adult career. Hope it works out for everybody, including the other kids.
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Post by rob49 on Apr 3, 2019 10:49:54 GMT -5
Julia, you started this discussion under "Mistakes", but I've seen no point to it. Just an attempt to diminish Jackie's credibility as a 12 year old 7 years later. It was fortunate for Jackie having been discovered by R. Redford to play a role in his movie. That may be insignificant, and too much having been made of it in your view. But, that was one of many credits to Jackie's history of achievements at that age, which of course she will never forget, nor many of us who felt proud for her. Is there a purpose to belaboring your less than proud perspective? CL, I'm an observer. I try to to see events realistically, as I do for Susan Boyle, who is now settling into a prosperous retirement, as happy as people on the autism spectrum can ever be. THAT is one big pile of garbage. Just being an observer is meaningless. It is your actions that define you. And what you do is obvious to even the most casual observer. You have praised everything about Susan for nearly 10 years, while attacking Jackie, her siblings, her parents, and her fans for nearly 9 years, on numerous sites, day after day after day.
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Post by rob49 on Apr 3, 2019 10:58:08 GMT -5
Unlike Julia, I have more to do everyday than post comments on any website. So I will not be available to answer replies from her or those LIKE her for some time. But do feel free to post all the lies and garbage you want.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 13:50:18 GMT -5
Julia, you started this discussion under "Mistakes", but I've seen no point to it. Just an attempt to diminish Jackie's credibility as a 12 year old 7 years later. It was fortunate for Jackie having been discovered by R. Redford to play a role in his movie. That may be insignificant, and too much having been made of it in your view. But, that was one of many credits to Jackie's history of achievements at that age, which of course she will never forget, nor many of us who felt proud for her. Is there a purpose to belaboring your less than proud perspective? CL, I'm an observer. I try to to see events realistically, as I do for Susan Boyle, who is now settling into a prosperous retirement, as happy as people on the autism spectrum can ever be. As I've said, I was originally drawn to this group, because of Lisa's presence. It was a chance to observe a real life Mama Rose in action. As to being "proud", of Jackie's accomplishments, I save that for my own children. I had nothing to do with Jackie's. Jackie owes everything to her mother's hard work and determination. She now has left her mother behind as she enters on her adult career. Hope it works out for everybody, including the other kids. Julia, I'm proud of anyone I know for his or her accomplishments. I'm proud of my fellow vets for their endurance and a job well done, and proud of my friend who saved lives, my having had nothing to do with it. I know Jackie well enough to be proud of her for what she has achieved. I am not an observer, but a participant here, expressing my admiration for Jackie with appreciation of what she has accomplished by her own merit, dedication, determination and hard work; her mother's devotion to realizing her aspirations not withstanding. Seeing things "realistically" is to see them as they are; extraordinary, sometimes meritorious, even inexplicable at times, perhaps with astonishment. In a way it's like being fascinated by the magic, without scrutinizing the magicians method. What you are seeing seems unreal, but you know it's the reality behind it that makes it happen. Jackie does magic sometimes, but with real talent, real dedication, and real work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 20:36:45 GMT -5
OPINION -> a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
I have come to think that a lot of opinion lacking the support of fact or knowledge is really based on a foundation of B/S.
Unfortunately, fortification to state that type of opinion is being sought under Freedom of Speech. Many democracies have adopted anti-hate legislation that curbs the right of free speech. Although the US has not progressed quite that far yet, it will happen at some point. Here on this forum free speech does not truly exist as we have Admins that moderate and we have rules that establish boundaries on what a text cannot say. Enforcement and judgement relative to the rules is another ball game.
So we are mostly left with monitoring ourselves. I fear that some may have drawn their line in the sand, not to cross, a bit too close to the shoreline where tidal water blurs, distorts or otherwise obliterates the line.
INTERNET TROLL -> In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain.
Those that might find these 'shoes' fitting often deflect the label from sticking by trying to reflect the sting with their rapid OTT Fan shield. Unfortunately that shield is transparent and what can be seen on the other side is an Internet Troll.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 21:27:18 GMT -5
OPINION -> a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. I have come to think that a lot of opinion lacking the support of fact or knowledge is really based on a foundation of B/S. Unfortunately, fortification to state that type of opinion is being sought under Freedom of Speech. Many democracies have adopted anti-hate legislation that curbs the right of free speech. Although the US has not progressed quite that far yet, it will happen at some point. Here on this forum free speech does not truly exist as we have Admins that moderate and we have rules that establish boundaries on what a text cannot say. Enforcement and judgement relative to the rules is another ball game. So we are mostly left with monitoring ourselves. I fear that some may have drawn their line in the sand, not to cross, a bit too close to the shoreline where tidal water blurs, distorts or otherwise obliterates the line. INTERNET TROLL -> In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain. Those that might find these 'shoes' fitting often deflect the label from sticking by trying to reflect the sting with their rapid OTT Fan shield. Unfortunately that shield is transparent and what can be seen on the other side is an Internet Troll. A troll is someone who also tends to do what you just did. So don't be one of those. Cheers!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 23:23:18 GMT -5
OPINION -> a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. I have come to think that a lot of opinion lacking the support of fact or knowledge is really based on a foundation of B/S. Unfortunately, fortification to state that type of opinion is being sought under Freedom of Speech. Many democracies have adopted anti-hate legislation that curbs the right of free speech. Although the US has not progressed quite that far yet, it will happen at some point. Here on this forum free speech does not truly exist as we have Admins that moderate and we have rules that establish boundaries on what a text cannot say. Enforcement and judgement relative to the rules is another ball game. So we are mostly left with monitoring ourselves. I fear that some may have drawn their line in the sand, not to cross, a bit too close to the shoreline where tidal water blurs, distorts or otherwise obliterates the line. INTERNET TROLL -> In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain. Those that might find these 'shoes' fitting often deflect the label from sticking by trying to reflect the sting with their rapid OTT Fan shield. Unfortunately that shield is transparent and what can be seen on the other side is an Internet Troll. Gordie, your well articulated description is confirmed by one who finds his confidence in that blurry line. He assumes to represent free speech by using it to antagonize, distort, deflect, project, exaggerate, and ridicule; thereby sowing discord for self-amusement and to perpetuate an anti-fan agenda obviously intended to impress those of like mind looking on. His intentions have been facilitated by insinuating himself into the forum under the pretense of being a "fan" while subtly and sometimes overtly discrediting the artist this forum represents, calling it "opinion" justified by the right to be "negative", offering a feeble compliment occasionally as a cover. That is what you insightfully called a foundation of B/S. Nonetheless, it is protected by a nebulous aspect of the rules wherein he remains smugly assured of his contrary position and freedom to pursue an ulterior objective. When confronted with opposition he plays the victim and wields the "OTT Fan shield", his only defense. An insidious nature of this intrusion is that ignoring him does not discourage his persistence in finding any opportunity to disrupt the conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 7:29:56 GMT -5
OPINION -> a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. I have come to think that a lot of opinion lacking the support of fact or knowledge is really based on a foundation of B/S. Unfortunately, fortification to state that type of opinion is being sought under Freedom of Speech. Many democracies have adopted anti-hate legislation that curbs the right of free speech. Although the US has not progressed quite that far yet, it will happen at some point. Here on this forum free speech does not truly exist as we have Admins that moderate and we have rules that establish boundaries on what a text cannot say. Enforcement and judgement relative to the rules is another ball game. So we are mostly left with monitoring ourselves. I fear that some may have drawn their line in the sand, not to cross, a bit too close to the shoreline where tidal water blurs, distorts or otherwise obliterates the line. INTERNET TROLL -> In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain. Those that might find these 'shoes' fitting often deflect the label from sticking by trying to reflect the sting with their rapid OTT Fan shield. Unfortunately that shield is transparent and what can be seen on the other side is an Internet Troll. Gordie, your well articulated description is confirmed by one who finds his confidence in that blurry line. He assumes to represent free speech by using it to antagonize, distort, deflect, project, exaggerate, and ridicule; thereby sowing discord for self-amusement and to perpetuate an anti-fan agenda obviously intended to impress those of like mind looking on. His intentions have been facilitated by insinuating himself into the forum under the pretense of being a "fan" while subtly and sometimes overtly discrediting the artist this forum represents, calling it "opinion" justified by the right to be "negative", offering a feeble compliment occasionally as a cover. That is what you insightfully called a foundation of B/S. Nonetheless, it is protected by a nebulous aspect of the rules wherein he remains smugly assured of his contrary position and freedom to pursue an ulterior objective. When confronted with opposition he plays the victim and wields the "OTT Fan shield", his only defense. An insidious nature of this intrusion is that ignoring him does not discourage his persistence in finding any opportunity to disrupt the conversation. What a load of BS. This is nothing more then attempt to silence others that don't agree with you on everything. This is also a form of intimidation and quite frankly bullying. Neither one of you has said anything that applies to anyone in here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 10:55:02 GMT -5
What a load of BS. This is nothing more then attempt to silence others that don't agree with you on everything. This is also a form of intimidation and quite frankly bullying. Neither one of you has said anything that applies to anyone in here. Why would you alone feel the need to reply in a defensive manner? Your name was not mentioned. Why would you feel you were being intimidated and bullied, and that an attempt was being made to silence you? No one else was compelled to respond in that way. A flat out all-encompassing denial (load of BS) is a reaction expected of someone who feels accused of something. No one has accused you of anything. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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