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Post by Julia Trenholm on Nov 17, 2017 9:27:23 GMT -5
Of course, Jackie's young agent made every effort to sell Jackie's services to the producers of various TV and/or movie projects. That's how young agents rise through the ranks of WME. But after a year, if he/she ran into general industry disinterest, Jackie's agent was re-assigned to a new young entertainer with better prospects. That's how it goes and always has. The fact that Redford's movie did nothing for Jackie was also a contributing factor. There is too much competition from talented kids in LA, who can act, dance and sing and are big on social media, for Jackie to be an easy sell by 2011. I think Jackie has to decide what she really wants to be and how much effort she's willing to put in to getting there. Maybe she no longer is hungry to be a big star. Maybe the the low key career she has now is more comfortable for her. What ever makes HER happy, not her parents or siblings or even "the awesome boyfriend". Julia says: "I think Jackie has to decide what she really wants to be and how much effort she's willing to put in to getting there. Maybe she no longer is hungry to be a big star. Maybe the the low key career she has now is more comfortable for her. What ever makes HER happy, not her parents or siblings or even "the awesome boyfriend"." %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Julia, your opening sentence is the most succinct statement of the reason I started the Is Jackie Quitting thread. Both "knowing what she wants" and "how much effort she's willing to put in" are the pertinent areas we fans can't assess. Knowing what she wants would give her direction. So far in her career, things have just 'happened' to Jackie as far as I can tell. She was well received on AGT. She likes to sing for people. Concerts were arranged. They sold well at first then tapered off with no evident change of strategy by the team. Jackie is old enough to begin taking charge of her career. That begins with a self assessment of both vision (dreams) and ability. She simply is not a rocker or pop star. I've had a hunch for a long while that her desires lie in that direction. I don't see indications of drive in Jackie. Maybe it's because good things, even if the good things weren't her first choice, just fell out of the sky for her. That doesn't mean drive is not there, but it sure isn't evident to me. Lastly Julia, I want to let you know that your description of "the awesome boyfriend" as having a "Stan Laurel smile" has dominated my impressions every time I see a pic of him and Jackie. Once seen, it cannot be unseen. You need to use your descriptive powers with the utmost discretion. Just sayin'. LOL. Geeze, recognition at last.
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Post by richard on Dec 4, 2017 14:36:05 GMT -5
This is the average daily instagram growth of Maddie Ziegler's squad members compared to Jackie Evancho.
Maddie Ziegler squad Maddie Ziegler 5,943 daily followers Grace Vanderwaal 4,256 daily followers Millie Bobby Brown 121,522 daily followers Mackenzie Ziegler 3,973 daily followers JoJo Siwa 3,158 daily followers
Jackie Evancho 10 daily followers
Maybe when Jackie starts getting 300 to 10,000 time more followers per day then she is getting now someone will let her in their squad.
Now everyone in Maddie's squad are breakout artist except Grace but she is very new at this. 7 years and Jackie doesn't seem to be able to break into anything else, this shows 100% lack of management. Maddie, Millie, Mackenzie all have WME. JoJo Siwa has Nickelodeon Grace Vanderwaal I guess still has Sony and hasn't been able to break away yet.
Jackie has T/E basically which is a joke.
Everyday Jackie is falling behind by thousand of new fans.
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Post by wph on Dec 4, 2017 18:32:40 GMT -5
martinuk it matters to him, because his yardstick for being a successful entertainer and contributor to society is limited to social media presence, the number of demonstrable friends you take selfies with, your you tube hits, and personal insights you are willing to share with the strangers on the internet.. in his eyes, she is failing all the important objective measurements he believes are critical to success.. unless she wakes up soon, she be left with a bunch of almost dead geezers, who seem to find some perverse pleasure in the beauty of her singing and the depth of her character.. the horror of it all...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 18:35:58 GMT -5
martinuk it matters to him, because his yardstick for being a successful entertainer and contributor to society is limited to social media presence, the number of demonstrable friends you take selfies with, your you tube hits, and personal insights you are willing to share with the strangers on the internet.. in his eyes, she is failing all the important objective measurements he believes are critical to success.. unless she wakes up soon, she be left with a bunch of almost dead geezers, who seem to find some perverse pleasure in the beauty of her singing and the depth of her character.. the horror of it all... Stats are fascinating and fan growth is very important for any artist including Jackie. This doesn't take away from Jackie's talent in any way.
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Post by richard on Dec 4, 2017 19:41:44 GMT -5
martinuk it matters to him, because his yardstick for being a successful entertainer and contributor to society is limited to social media presence, the number of demonstrable friends you take selfies with, your you tube hits, and personal insights you are willing to share with the strangers on the internet.. in his eyes, she is failing all the important objective measurements he believes are critical to success.. unless she wakes up soon, she be left with a bunch of almost dead geezers, who seem to find some perverse pleasure in the beauty of her singing and the depth of her character.. the horror of it all... Well if a yardstick for being a successful entertainer and contributor to society has anything to do with social media presence, the number of demonstrable friends you take selfies with, your youtube hits, and personal insights you are willing to share with the strangers on the internet. Than Jackie is failing miserable and Jackie did show what her personal insights are when it comes to the LGBT community and she was willing to show a lot more if the reality show "Growing up Evancho" would have been carried Only Jackie's OTTs could believe that Jackie will have a long future without social media in this day and age much less not having to put back anything in her career. That is Jackie's choice if she wants to hide in the closet, but this being a discussion site I don't mind showing how much it is hurting her career. The ones I mentioned are not just growing two or three times as fast as Jackie it's more like 200 to (in Millie Bobby Brown's case) 12,000 times faster. You don't see Jackie getting any endorsements and at one time she was more popular than all of them. As a singer Jackie better be worried about how many Youtube hits she can get on her music videos.
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Post by rob49 on Dec 4, 2017 19:49:53 GMT -5
martinuk it matters to him, because his yardstick for being a successful entertainer and contributor to society is limited to social media presence, the number of demonstrable friends you take selfies with, your you tube hits, and personal insights you are willing to share with the strangers on the internet.. in his eyes, she is failing all the important objective measurements he believes are critical to success.. unless she wakes up soon, she be left with a bunch of almost dead geezers, who seem to find some perverse pleasure in the beauty of her singing and the depth of her character.. the horror of it all... Well if a yardstick for being a successful It's not.
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Post by wph on Dec 4, 2017 20:08:36 GMT -5
richard i'm sure that you will continue to provide a resource for jackie to refer to when she needs to see how awful she registers on your success meter.. while she continues to wallow in the depths of your comparisons and charts, myself and others, will simply enjoy her artistry and appreciate her excellence.. perhaps you could cast your critical statistical analysis in the areas of her positive accomplishments occasionally... it would add a bit of balance to your offerings..
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Post by richard on Dec 4, 2017 22:53:30 GMT -5
richard i'm sure that you will continue to provide a resource for jackie to refer to when she needs to see how awful she registers on your success meter.. while she continues to wallow in the depths of your comparisons and charts, myself and others, will simply enjoy her artistry and appreciate her excellence.. perhaps you could cast your critical statistical analysis in the areas of her positive accomplishments occasionally... it would add a bit of balance to your offerings.. About the only thing she did was sing at the President's inauguration lately, her career is not nearly what it was when she was 10 to 12 years old. As a teen her career should be growing much faster than when she was 12 years old. But what has she done to grow her career like other young celebrities, she actually doesn't show much interest in what she is doing. Jackie's OTT fans used to say Maddie would fade away without dance moms well Maddie, Mackenzie, and JoJo left Dance Moms a long time ago and all three are doing better on their own than any of the ones that are on the show. They have moved into merchandising, writing, acting, singing and just about every area of the entertainment industry. T/E has done everything possible to keep portraying Jackie as the cute little 10 year old, making sure everyone knows she was the little girl on AGT. The others have moved on from the past and are getting more popular the older they get. Now we even hear Jackie is going back to wearing the ballroom dresses like she did when she was 10.
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Post by jrchico on Dec 4, 2017 23:13:26 GMT -5
richard i'm sure that you will continue to provide a resource for jackie to refer to when she needs to see how awful she registers on your success meter.. while she continues to wallow in the depths of your comparisons and charts, myself and others, will simply enjoy her artistry and appreciate her excellence.. perhaps you could cast your critical statistical analysis in the areas of her positive accomplishments occasionally... it would add a bit of balance to your offerings.. About the only thing she did was sing at the President's inauguration lately, her career is not nearly what it was when she was 10 to 12 years old. As a teen her career should be growing much faster than when she was 12 years old. But what has she done to grow her career like other young celebrities, she actually doesn't show much interest in what she is doing. Jackie's OTT fans used to say Maddie would fade away without dance moms well Maddie, Mackenzie, and JoJo left Dance Moms a long time ago and all three are doing better on their own than any of the ones that are on the show. They have moved into merchandising, writing, acting, singing and just about every area of the entertainment industry. T/E has done everything possible to keep portraying Jackie as the cute little 10 year old, making sure everyone knows she was the little girl on AGT. The others have moved on from the past and are getting more popular the older they get. Now we even hear Jackie is going back to wearing the ballroom dresses like she did when she was 10. I hate to be the one to tell you this but a lot of Jackie's fans like those ballroom dresses.
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Post by richard on Dec 5, 2017 3:48:14 GMT -5
Richard You should be a politician. I already know why it is important to Jackie - What I asked for, was a straightforward answer to a simple straightforward question. Why does this matter so much to you? It only matters that I have been following Jackie's career and I am on a discussion site and realize the reasons Jackie's career is going downhill and all her OTTs blame it on everything out of Jackie T/E control which is non since. So I compare Jackie's career to other celebrities that are under the same age restraints that has booming careers.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Dec 5, 2017 4:14:31 GMT -5
Richard You should be a politician. I already know why it is important to Jackie - What I asked for, was a straightforward answer to a simple straightforward question. Why does this matter so much to you? It only matters that I have been following Jackie's career and I am on a discussion site and realize the reasons Jackie's career is going downhill and all her OTTs blame it on everything out of Jackie T/E control which is non since. So I compare Jackie's career to other celebrities that are under the same age restraints that has booming careers. Among many others on this forum, I don't figure out, what problem you have. I guess, Jackie is satisfied whith her live and even if she decided stop singing, we have to accept this. It's her live, and not yours. I think, Jackie likes to go out shopping, in a restaurant, meet friends, ... without Paparazzos following her. And if Jackie quitts (what we all don't hope), I will remember this couple of years for the rest of my live, she gave me with her wonderful voice.
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Post by Willyiam on Dec 5, 2017 8:20:15 GMT -5
It only matters that I have been following Jackie's career and I am on a discussion site and realize the reasons Jackie's career is going downhill and all her OTTs blame it on everything out of Jackie T/E control which is non since. So I compare Jackie's career to other celebrities that are under the same age restraints that has booming careers. Among many others on this forum, I don't figure out , what problem you have. I guess, Jackie is satisfied whith her live and even if she decided stop singing, we have to accept this. It's her live, and not yours. I think, Jackie likes to go out shopping, in a restaurant, meet friends, ... without Paparazzos following her. And if Jackie quitts (what we all don't hope), I will remember this couple of years for the rest of my live, she gave me with her wonderful voice. OK folks! This is getting ridiculous! Young English speaking teens and adults will be reading this and thinking it's OK to post misspelled words and lousy grammar! Well, it's not! "non since" should be "nonsense", "whith" should be "with", "live" should be "life", there should be a "to" before "stop singing", again "live" should be "life", "Paparazzos" should be "Paparazzo's", "quitts" should be "quits" and, again, "live" should be "life". Those that are English challenged have absolutely no excuse for posting what was posted above. Editing before posting and a good spell checker along with a grammar checker are readily available to anyone with an internet connection. AFAIC, this is just laziness and a disrespect for the English language! It's also very difficult to read all of these English errors and stay focused on what the poster is trying to convey!
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Post by ursus on Dec 5, 2017 12:27:02 GMT -5
Among many others on this forum, I don't figure out , what problem you have. I guess, Jackie is satisfied whith her live and even if she decided stop singing, we have to accept this. It's her live, and not yours. I think, Jackie likes to go out shopping, in a restaurant, meet friends, ... without Paparazzos following her. And if Jackie quitts (what we all don't hope), I will remember this couple of years for the rest of my live, she gave me with her wonderful voice. OK folks! This is getting ridiculous! Young English speaking teens and adults will be reading this and thinking it's OK to post misspelled words and lousy grammar! Well, it's not! "non since" should be "nonsense", "whith" should be "with", "live" should be "life", there should be a "to" before "stop singing", again "live" should be "life", "Paparazzos" should be "Paparazzo's", "quitts" should be "quits" and, again, "live" should be "life". Those that are English challenged have absolutely no excuse for posting what was posted above. Editing before posting and a good spell checker along with a grammar checker are readily available to anyone with an internet connection. AFAIC, this is just laziness and a disrespect for the English language! It's also very difficult to read all of these English errors and stay focused on what the poster is trying to convey! Come on! Yellowstone2014's native language is not English, but his English is perfectly understandable to me and obviously also to you since you are able to correct him. Mixing up "life" with "live" is something which Americans do. As to prepositions ("to" in this case), there is very poor correspondence between English and German, yellowstone2014's language. I don’t know how often I have mixed up “Ich interessiere mich für” and “Ich habe Interesse an”. Neither language is logical, although "meine Lehrerin" (my teacher) has often blamed English as the culprit.
Wait until he translates "beziehungsweise" incorrectly into English. It has several uses in German which usually get mixed up when translating. (It means among other things both "respectively" and "or rather".)
I think that we should encourage participation here by non-Americans although the Mods should have final say. In think several non-Americans including yellowstone2014 make very worthwhile contributions here.
BTW, "Willyiam" should be spelled "William".
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Post by Beachguy on Dec 5, 2017 12:43:01 GMT -5
martinuk it matters to him, because his yardstick for being a successful entertainer and contributor to society is limited to social media presence, the number of demonstrable friends you take selfies with, your you tube hits, and personal insights you are willing to share with the strangers on the internet.. in his eyes, she is failing all the important objective measurements he believes are critical to success.. unless she wakes up soon, she be left with a bunch of almost dead geezers, who seem to find some perverse pleasure in the beauty of her singing and the depth of her character.. the horror of it all... if i may comment , numbers mean everything to a artist , without them the young artist can not have a career very long , Jackie is a millionaire so she is ok for so long but numbers in some ways will mean if her career is a success as numbers of concert seat sold or numbers of album sold , low numbers take its toll . most good fans should want to know the numbers if they care .
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Post by Willyiam on Dec 5, 2017 13:11:13 GMT -5
OK folks! This is getting ridiculous! Young English speaking teens and adults will be reading this and thinking it's OK to post misspelled words and lousy grammar! Well, it's not! "non since" should be "nonsense", "whith" should be "with", "live" should be "life", there should be a "to" before "stop singing", again "live" should be "life", "Paparazzos" should be "Paparazzo's", "quitts" should be "quits" and, again, "live" should be "life". Those that are English challenged have absolutely no excuse for posting what was posted above. Editing before posting and a good spell checker along with a grammar checker are readily available to anyone with an internet connection. AFAIC, this is just laziness and a disrespect for the English language! It's also very difficult to read all of these English errors and stay focused on what the poster is trying to convey! Come on! Yellowstone2014's native language is not English, but his English is perfectly understandable to me and obviously also to you since you are able to correct him. Mixing up "life" with "live" is something which Americans do. As to prepositions ("to" in this case), there is very poor correspondence between English and German. I don’t know how often I have mixed up “Ich interessiere mich für” and “Ich habe Interesse an”. Neither language is logical, although "meine Lehrerin" has often blamed English as the culprit.
Wait until he translates "beziehungsweise" incorrectly into English. It has several uses in German which usually get mixed up when translating. (It means among other things both "respectively" and "or rather".)
I think that we should encourage participation here by non-Americans although the Mods should have final say. In think several non-Americans including yellowstone2014 make very worthwhile contributions here.
BTW, "Willyiam" should be spelled "William".
BTW: "In think" should be "I think"!
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