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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 12:54:43 GMT -5
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Post by richard on Nov 13, 2017 13:58:33 GMT -5
Comparing Jackie's music videos to other professional teens. APOCALYPSE - JACKIE EVANCHO 1,515,717 views Published on Apr 21, 2016 JoJo Siwa - BOOMERANG (Official Video) 392,939,760 views (743,883 views in the last 24 hours ) Published on May 17, 2016 Jackie Evancho - Go Time - Pop Song for Justice Girls Clothes 96,179 views Published on Jul 16, 2014 exactly 3 years later MACKENZIE ZIEGLER - TEAMWORK 💗 OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO for Justice Girls Cloths 20,080,668 views Published on Jul 16, 2017 Mackenzie is 13, JoJo 14 and Jackie is 17 now. Mackenzie and JoJo are Professional just like Jackie and have the money and backing to compete most of the other teens that Jackie's fans want to compare with Jackie does not have the money and backing. Maddie Ziegler and Millie Bobby Brown both made the 2017 Time Magazine's 30 most influential teens in the world (MZ 3rd year in a role) time.com/5003930/most-influential-teens-2017/While Millie has only been on the scene for 1 year already has over 7.7 million instagram followers and is gaining new followers faster than anyone I can find. Average New daily instagram followers Millie Bobby Brown 106,290 daily followers Jackie Evancho 10 daily followers. Millie recently signed a 4.8 million dollar contract with Converse, She got what may be a multi-million dollar movie deal. Movie already filmed and will be out in 2019 theblast.com/millie-bobby-brown-godzilla-million-dollars/In the entertainment world Jackie is pretty well stagnated. All the teens that are really killing it have top manager firms like WME not MoM and PoP running things. But they also have a drive in them that I just have never seen in Jackie in the 7 years I have followed her.
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Post by richard on Nov 16, 2017 12:52:30 GMT -5
Grace Vanderwaal VS Darci Lynne Been over a year since Grace won AGT and Darci Lynne is the new winner of AGT. It looks to me that Grace's career has the best shot at becoming a big star. Grace uses social media better may be one reason. Grace's base grew a lot larger and faster than Darci's after they both won. Usually there is a big spike when someone wins and then it starts to fade that did not happen with Grace she is still growing at a very fast pace. Even one year after she won Grace is averaging 4,335 daily new instagram followers while Darci is averaging 1,105 daily followers. socialblade.com/instagram/compare/gracevanderwaal/itsdarcilynne
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Nov 16, 2017 15:38:33 GMT -5
Comparing Jackie's music videos to other professional teens. APOCALYPSE - JACKIE EVANCHO 1,515,717 views Published on Apr 21, 2016 JoJo Siwa - BOOMERANG (Official Video) 392,939,760 views (743,883 views in the last 24 hours ) Published on May 17, 2016 Jackie Evancho - Go Time - Pop Song for Justice Girls Clothes 96,179 views Published on Jul 16, 2014 exactly 3 years later MACKENZIE ZIEGLER - TEAMWORK 💗 OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO for Justice Girls Cloths 20,080,668 views Published on Jul 16, 2017 Mackenzie is 13, JoJo 14 and Jackie is 17 now. Mackenzie and JoJo are Professional just like Jackie and have the money and backing to compete most of the other teens that Jackie's fans want to compare with Jackie does not have the money and backing. Maddie Ziegler and Millie Bobby Brown both made the 2017 Time Magazine's 30 most influential teens in the world (MZ 3rd year in a role) time.com/5003930/most-influential-teens-2017/While Millie has only been on the scene for 1 year already has over 7.7 million instagram followers and is gaining new followers faster than anyone I can find. Average New daily instagram followers Millie Bobby Brown 106,290 daily followers Jackie Evancho 10 daily followers. Millie recently signed a 4.8 million dollar contract with Converse, She got what may be a multi-million dollar movie deal. Movie already filmed and will be out in 2019 theblast.com/millie-bobby-brown-godzilla-million-dollars/In the entertainment world Jackie is pretty well stagnated. All the teens that are really killing it have top manager firms like WME not MoM and PoP running things. But they also have a drive in them that I just have never seen in Jackie in the 7 years I have followed her. Richard, I think you forget that Jackie was signed to WME at the outset, as is standard for the very small number of Got Talent stars. Nothing to do with Foster or her parents. The power of Sony/Syco/Columbia. BUT agents work on commission, even at WME. If over a year or so, the performer isn't getting any offers from Hollywood, movies or TV, or other big time events, WME cuts them loose. That's the way it has always been in the entertainment business, up or out. So maybe Johnston or her parents are the best she can get unless lightning strikes, once again.
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Post by rob49 on Nov 16, 2017 15:51:25 GMT -5
Richard, I think you forget that Jackie was signed to WME at the outset, as is standard for the very small number of Got Talent stars. Nothing to do with Foster or her parents. The power of Sony/Syco/Columbia. BUT agents work on commission, even at WME. If over a year or so, the performer isn't getting any offers from Hollywood, movies or TV, or other big time events, WME cuts them loose. That's the way it has always been in the entertainment business, up or out. So maybe Johnston or her parents are the best she can get unless lightning strikes, once again. That's odd, I thought the agent was suppose to GET jobs for their clients? But you are saying the WME agents sit on their hands and wait for offers to come to them, and then collect their fee. Then when offers coming in slow down they drop the client. Great gig. Collect a fee while doing nothing. If I was a client of theirs and discovered that was the way they did business, I would fire them, and then sue them to get back any fees I had paid them. At the start Mike was getting more calls than Jackie could do. No need to pay anyone to take calls from people begging to hire Jackie.
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Post by richard on Nov 16, 2017 16:11:09 GMT -5
Richard, I think you forget that Jackie was signed to WME at the outset, as is standard for the very small number of Got Talent stars. Nothing to do with Foster or her parents. The power of Sony/Syco/Columbia. BUT agents work on commission, even at WME. If over a year or so, the performer isn't getting any offers from Hollywood, movies or TV, or other big time events, WME cuts them loose. That's the way it has always been in the entertainment business, up or out. So maybe Johnston or her parents are the best she can get unless lightning strikes, once again. That's odd, I thought the agent was suppose to GET jobs for their clients? But you are saying the WME agents sit on their hands and wait for offers to come to them. If I was a client of theirs and discovered that was the way they did business, I would fire them, and then sue them to get back any fees I had paid them. At the start Mike was getting more calls than Jackie do. No need to pay anyone to take calls from people begging to hire Jackie. The agents can only find you gigs they can't make you work or develop your skills and when you have a dad that prides himself as Mr. NO turning everyjob down they are not going to waste their time and money. Both Maddie and Millie are with WME and both are assigned 3 agents now. MZ thanks WME for getting her book deal. Seem all the celebrities I have mentioned that are with WME getting gigs all the time. Jackie was even lucky to get the part in the movie " The Company You Keep" because it was Robert Redford himself that asked for her not the normal agencies route and certainly Mike E had nothing to do with it . TE management of Jackie over the years left her with no marketability.
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Post by rob49 on Nov 16, 2017 16:21:10 GMT -5
That's odd, I thought the agent was suppose to GET jobs for their clients? But you are saying the WME agents sit on their hands and wait for offers to come to them. If I was a client of theirs and discovered that was the way they did business, I would fire them, and then sue them to get back any fees I had paid them. At the start Mike was getting more calls than Jackie do. No need to pay anyone to take calls from people begging to hire Jackie. The agents can only find you gigs That's what I said they SHOULD do. Julia is the one saying WME agents keep their clients until offers slow down
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Post by richard on Nov 16, 2017 19:17:08 GMT -5
Where is Jackie's management, JoJo Siwa just got a deal for 3 more books. www.hollywoodreporter.com/bookmark/dance-moms-breakout-jojo-siwa-inks-3-book-deal-heels-memoirs-release-1058830Maddie Ziegler was the first the book companies were reluctant to give teens a book deal to write their memoirs but they gave her a book deal for her memoirs plus 3 novels. As soon as Maddie's memoirs came out it made the NY Times best seller list and book companies gave book deals to Chloe Lukasiak, JoJo Siwa, and Mackenzie Ziegler. Now Maddie first novel came out and it looks like they gave JoJo the same deal. I think Jackie could write a book just as good if given a chance she used to talk about how she loves to write I think she even said she like to write stories. Jackie started her career before the rest and would probably have a lot to put down. I couldn't find the video of Jackie's 2 hearts signing in Walmart where it looked like just the employees outnumber the fans. Now this is the type of reception JOJO got at her book signing. Didn't take them long to ask for 3 more books. Now that it has been proven that teens books can sell there is no reason Jackie couldn't follow in their foot steps.
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Post by Gato on Nov 16, 2017 19:30:25 GMT -5
Grace Vanderwaal VS Darci Lynne Been over a year since Grace won AGT and Darci Lynne is the new winner of AGT. It looks to me that Grace's career has the best shot at becoming a big star. Grace uses social media better may be one reason. Grace's base grew a lot larger and faster than Darci's after they both won. Usually there is a big spike when someone wins and then it starts to fade that did not happen with Grace she is still growing at a very fast pace. Even one year after she won Grace is averaging 4,335 daily new instagram followers while Darci is averaging 1,105 daily followers. socialblade.com/instagram/compare/gracevanderwaal/itsdarcilynneI've been fairly impressed with Grace V. since AGT, and now she's added another award to go with her Radio Disney Music Award and Teen Choice Award as well as the youngest ever Fender Acoustics Signature Artist. www.billboard.com/articles/events/women-in-music/8038466/mary-j-blige-grace-vanderwaal-women-in-music-2017
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Nov 16, 2017 19:49:06 GMT -5
The agents can only find you gigs That's what I said they SHOULD do. Julia is the one saying WME agents keep their clients until offers slow down Of course, Jackie's young agent made every effort to sell Jackie's services to the producers of various TV and/or movie projects. That's how young agents rise through the ranks of WME. But after a year, if he/she ran into general industry disinterest, Jackie's agent was re-assigned to a new young entertainer with better prospects. That's how it goes and always has. The fact that Redford's movie did nothing for Jackie was also a contributing factor. There is too much competition from talented kids in LA, who can act, dance and sing and are big on social media, for Jackie to be an easy sell by 2011. I think Jackie has to decide what she really wants to be and how much effort she's willing to put in to getting there. Maybe she no longer is hungry to be a big star. Maybe the the low key career she has now is more comfortable for her. What ever makes HER happy, not her parents or siblings or even "the awesome boyfriend".
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Post by bounderdriver on Nov 16, 2017 20:30:18 GMT -5
I think a very good comparison of the ‘tween’ artists, [Siwa, Zieglers, MB Brown] and Jackie can be represented this way-
Some like their music entertainment loud, fast, powerful, not needing to be ‘perfect’ as long as it’s a party--- Like NASCAR!! www.nascar.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2017/11/phoenix-nascar-playoffs.jpg
and some, like many of us here, love the beauty, the striving for musical excellence, near-flawless execution, high style, like a Concours D’Elegance show. ticketleap-media-master.s3.amazonaws.com/4a1361d3-1c3e-4527-ad59-e06a96b53f59/full.jpg
Different strokes for different folks! I certainly do not fault the hundreds of thousands that truly enjoy the thrill and excitement of watching a NASCAR race from the top of a camper in the infield with a cooler of [insert favorite beverage]. The popularity of the types of music is naturally going to influence attendance and sales. Regardless of the ‘popularity’ of Jackie’s preferred music and performance style, it is what she likes to perform, and how she likes to perform it that matters.
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Post by richard on Nov 16, 2017 21:14:05 GMT -5
That's what I said they SHOULD do. Julia is the one saying WME agents keep their clients until offers slow down Of course, Jackie's young agent made every effort to sell Jackie's services to the producers of various TV and/or movie projects. That's how young agents rise through the ranks of WME. But after a year, if he/she ran into general industry disinterest, Jackie's agent was re-assigned to a new young entertainer with better prospects. That's how it goes and always has. The fact that Redford's movie did nothing for Jackie was also a contributing factor. There is too much competition from talented kids in LA, who can act, dance and sing and are big on social media, for Jackie to be an easy sell by 2011. I think Jackie has to decide what she really wants to be and how much effort she's willing to put in to getting there. Maybe she no longer is hungry to be a big star. Maybe the the low key career she has now is more comfortable for her. What ever makes HER happy, not her parents or siblings or even "the awesome boyfriend". What is there to decide for Jackie. You have to know about something to be able to decide. MZ mom said that an agent will call and say they got this job for Maddie. Then Melissa ( Maddie's Mom ) will to ask Maddie if she wants to do it, if so the two of them will talk to her agent and manager. The Evancho's has never claimed Jackie has any involvement, Mike has said more than once that "HE" is the " No " man and turns things down not that Jackie has a say in the matter. Lisa even said once Jackie isn't at the meeting of course that was a few years back if I remember, but she did say she would like to get Jackie more involved in that. We also know Lisa throws anything that is sent to Jackie in the garbage. Even on the recent reality show Lisa and Mike read the letter and were deciding if they should let Jackie know what it was about. That is when Lisa said F them. I feel sorry for Jackie it is evident she only knows what Mike and Lisa wants her to know.
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Post by richard on Nov 16, 2017 21:42:24 GMT -5
I think a very good comparison of the ‘tween’ artists, [Siwa, Zieglers, MB Brown] and Jackie can be represented this way-
Some like their music entertainment loud, fast, powerful, not needing to be ‘perfect’ as long as it’s a party--- Like NASCAR!! and some, like many of us here, love the beauty, the striving for musical excellence, near-flawless execution, high style, like a Concours D’Elegance show.
Different strokes for different folks! I certainly do not fault the hundreds of thousands that truly enjoy the thrill and excitement of watching a NASCAR race from the top of a camper in the infield with a cooler of [insert favorite beverage]. The popularity of the types of music is naturally going to influence attendance and sales. Regardless of the ‘popularity’ of Jackie’s preferred music and performance style, it is what she likes to perform, and how she likes to perform it that matters.
I am not looking at this as music choices but career choices. Siwa, Zieglers, MB Brown are all considered breakout stars, they all broke away from their original path. Siwa, Ziegler and Mollie are all big into merchandising. Maddie and Siwa are now professional writers, Siwa just got a new book deal today. www.hollywoodreporter.com/bookmark/dance-moms-breakout-jojo-siwa-inks-3-book-deal-heels-memoirs-release-1058830Maddie has her own clothing line, Millie signed a huge contract with Converse and is the star of a major movie coming out. Both Maddie and Millie are IMG models, Maddie is the only one that doesn't sing. Siwa, Ziegler and Millie are hard works and when they decide to do something they do it. How many times have we heard from Jackie about being on Broadway and nothing came of it. JoJo went from being a dancer to a singer in one day and her very first music video is now at 394,944,136 views. Funny about the cars though Maddie did work for Ralph Lauren, Maddie said he has some nice cars which is an understatement. www.vanityfair.com/style/photos/2011/01/ralph-lauren-garage-slide-show-201101I think the Bugatti Type 57SC Atlantic Coupe (1938) may be his most valuable car. Maybe MZ and her sister working with Ralph Lauren showed where the real money is, it's in merchandising. Jackie has only singing in the small CC genre that is dying away. TE has done nothing to help her become a break out artist like the rest.
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Post by agog on Nov 16, 2017 22:29:11 GMT -5
That's what I said they SHOULD do. Julia is the one saying WME agents keep their clients until offers slow down Of course, Jackie's young agent made every effort to sell Jackie's services to the producers of various TV and/or movie projects. That's how young agents rise through the ranks of WME. But after a year, if he/she ran into general industry disinterest, Jackie's agent was re-assigned to a new young entertainer with better prospects. That's how it goes and always has. The fact that Redford's movie did nothing for Jackie was also a contributing factor. There is too much competition from talented kids in LA, who can act, dance and sing and are big on social media, for Jackie to be an easy sell by 2011. I think Jackie has to decide what she really wants to be and how much effort she's willing to put in to getting there. Maybe she no longer is hungry to be a big star. Maybe the the low key career she has now is more comfortable for her. What ever makes HER happy, not her parents or siblings or even "the awesome boyfriend". Julia says: "I think Jackie has to decide what she really wants to be and how much effort she's willing to put in to getting there. Maybe she no longer is hungry to be a big star. Maybe the the low key career she has now is more comfortable for her. What ever makes HER happy, not her parents or siblings or even "the awesome boyfriend"." %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Julia, your opening sentence is the most succinct statement of the reason I started the Is Jackie Quitting thread. Both "knowing what she wants" and "how much effort she's willing to put in" are the pertinent areas we fans can't assess. Knowing what she wants would give her direction. So far in her career, things have just 'happened' to Jackie as far as I can tell. She was well received on AGT. She likes to sing for people. Concerts were arranged. They sold well at first then tapered off with no evident change of strategy by the team. Jackie is old enough to begin taking charge of her career. That begins with a self assessment of both vision (dreams) and ability. She simply is not a rocker or pop star. I've had a hunch for a long while that her desires lie in that direction. I don't see indications of drive in Jackie. Maybe it's because good things, even if the good things weren't her first choice, just fell out of the sky for her. That doesn't mean drive is not there, but it sure isn't evident to me. Lastly Julia, I want to let you know that your description of "the awesome boyfriend" as having a "Stan Laurel smile" has dominated my impressions every time I see a pic of him and Jackie. Once seen, it cannot be unseen. You need to use your descriptive powers with the utmost discretion. Just sayin'.
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