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Post by rob49 on Nov 11, 2017 20:55:22 GMT -5
Hello cer. None of us fans, OTTers or UTBers, know what Jackie's current reality is. It's not to be found in stats or youtube hits. That's not relevant to Jackie's CC music. Or maybe it's her, so far, quiet non partying lifestyle. It's just not going to put her in the running for high social media numbers. Jackie doesn't share with her fans. Maybe it's her shy personality or maybe the parental units have put it in her head that we are dangerous. Maybe it's because she still doesn't think about what's necessary for her career. She hasn't needed to so far. Other's have done that for her. Does Jackie read music? Has she taken lessons and practiced seriously on any musical instrument? I don't know and none of us ordinary fans know either. The only thing we ordinary fans know for sure is we don't know squat. No maybe about it. Edit to add: Oh. We know she's made a lot of money. We have no reason to believe she is dissatisfied with her current situation. We can put 2 and 2 together, Most of "we" can, but from your string of remarks it does not look like you even know what 2 is, much less what 2 and 2 together would be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 21:00:40 GMT -5
Jackie will always make a comfortable living, but she must do a lot more than what she is doing now if she wants to even get back to where she was 6 years ago. Jackie has bragged several times how little she has to do, sorry to tell her fans that those days are over. Now other kids are coming along doing the same things she did, and Jackie has to compete with adults as an adult. None of those kids has a voice like Jackie's. richard, It's amusing that you know what Jackie must do, as if she had no clue to her own desires and ambitions and needs your advise. Did she tell you she "wants to get back to where she was 6 years ago"? What hubris. You're not "sorry" to tell her fans anything. That's what you came here to do. No kids are doing what Jackie is doing or has done, and none will likely ever equal what Jackie has achieved. Are you even familiar with Jackie's long list of historical accomplishments? You are right about one thing. Jackie is not competing with kids, and doesn't have to. In fact, I don't think Jackie is competing with anyone, nor that she ever thought she was. You are making it a competition to appease your attempt to portray Jackie as a failing talent with comparatively little future for whatever reason it gratifies you to do so. One thing is blatantly clear form all your comments. You are not a fan of Jackie Evancho.
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Post by agog on Nov 11, 2017 21:00:45 GMT -5
Hello cer. None of us fans, OTTers or UTBers, know what Jackie's current reality is. It's not to be found in stats or youtube hits. That's not relevant to Jackie's CC music. Or maybe it's her, so far, quiet non partying lifestyle. It's just not going to put her in the running for high social media numbers. Jackie doesn't share with her fans. Maybe it's her shy personality or maybe the parental units have put it in her head that we are dangerous. Maybe it's because she still doesn't think about what's necessary for her career. She hasn't needed to so far. Other's have done that for her. Does Jackie read music? Has she taken lessons and practiced seriously on any musical instrument? I don't know and none of us ordinary fans know either. The only thing we ordinary fans know for sure is we don't know squat. No maybe about it. Edit to add: Oh. We know she's made a lot of money. We have no reason to believe she is dissatisfied with her current situation. We can put 2 and 2 together, we know she said she moved to NYC as a career move and nothing seems to have come of it. If she was taking lessons or going to some type of school someone would have mentioned it on their social media. There have been several things that makes me think the money has dried up a lot. No more music videos and asking for donation to make a new one, Lisa asking fans to hang up posters. Trying to get a reality show (which seemed to be just the opposite of their life style in trying to hide from the public). She doesn't look happy on her instagram and even her art work looks sad. http://instagr.am/p/BaZAGlVB9_4 There have been several things that makes me think the money has dried up a lot If Jackie wanted an infusion of cash, she could tour Asia for several months. As sure as anyone can guarantee something they don't know, I guarantee Jackie could sell out large venues in Asia. They love Classical and CC and they love Western entertainers who tour there. She could kill the box offices in ten or more Chinese cities. Then Singapore. Taiwan (if the much more lucrative China proper wouldn't insist on her skipping Taiwan.) How about a few shows in Japan? I bet Japan remembers Jackie. Three or four shows in Australia would be sellouts, one or two in New Zealand and several in S America could wind up a Far East/Pacific tour. My wag is she could put more bucks in her purse than in all her career so far. Such a tour would do wonders for her CD sales too. If I'm wrong, Jackie could say; "I'm not listening to agog any more." If cash is her problem, and I don't think it is, Jackie could rake it in by the bushel in Asia.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 21:54:34 GMT -5
It's interesting that richard registered this morning just to give us his point of view. I recognized that cer is a loyal fan when her first posts were compliments and photos of Angelica Hale, promoting her and other singers ever since. She has been defending herself as a fan, but offering nothing of substance in support of Jackie. What are your favorite songs on any of Jackie's albums, cer? How many albums, dvds or singles do you own, if any? Do you really enjoy Jackie's music, and what do you really think of her voice? Any compliments on her personality? Do you have anything to submit that would show you admire Jackie in some significant way? A person should offer some credibility as a fan to justify his/her criticisms, in my opinion. First off I'm a he, not a she, but that is beside the point. I think Jackie is extremely talented and I hope she turns things around. You are proving to me that it truly drives you crazy when something positive is brought up about another artist that seems to be doing a lot more career wise compared to Jackie. Unfortunately that is where things seem to be at in regards to JE these days.... rather static.
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Post by rob49 on Nov 11, 2017 22:27:07 GMT -5
It's interesting that richard registered this morning just to give us his point of view. I recognized that cer is a loyal fan when her first posts were compliments and photos of Angelica Hale, promoting her and other singers ever since. She has been defending herself as a fan, but offering nothing of substance in support of Jackie. What are your favorite songs on any of Jackie's albums, cer? How many albums, dvds or singles do you own, if any? Do you really enjoy Jackie's music, and what do you really think of her voice? Any compliments on her personality? Do you have anything to submit that would show you admire Jackie in some significant way? A person should offer some credibility as a fan to justify his/her criticisms, in my opinion. First off I'm a he, not a she, but that is beside the point. I think Jackie is extremely talented and I hope she turns things around. You are proving to me that it truly drives you crazy when something positive is brought up about another artist that seems to be doing a lot more career wise compared to Jackie. Unfortunately that is where things seem to be at in regards to JE these days.... rather static. LOL rubbish
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 22:27:50 GMT -5
It is possible that a lot of Jackie's future is in a bit of limbo because the E-Team is probably letting commitments expire so that Jackie can take over legal responsibility April 09/18 and beyond. Although she is not obligated to any commitments currently in place that are after April 9th, she would never leave her parents holding the bag for her non-performance. Contrary to some who think Jackie should dump her parents when she is 18 is just nonsense. Such an act by her would put Zac and Rachel in jeopardy. Jackie knows she owes her parents a great deal for supporting her and her dream. Although Mike may have been experiencing some difficulties at the time of Jackie bursting into a career dream, he was certainly capable of being employed in the tech sector. The fact is they are a close knit family including grandparents and uncle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 22:32:53 GMT -5
"LOL rubbish" OK ROB prove what I said is rubbish in regards to the current state of Jackie's career?
Explain to me how it's not rather static compared to where it was???
P.S. and yeah I'm a guy not a gal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 23:13:26 GMT -5
It's interesting that richard registered this morning just to give us his point of view. I recognized that cer is a loyal fan when her first posts were compliments and photos of Angelica Hale, promoting her and other singers ever since. She has been defending herself as a fan, but offering nothing of substance in support of Jackie. What are your favorite songs on any of Jackie's albums, cer? How many albums, dvds or singles do you own, if any? Do you really enjoy Jackie's music, and what do you really think of her voice? Any compliments on her personality? Do you have anything to submit that would show you admire Jackie in some significant way? A person should offer some credibility as a fan to justify his/her criticisms, in my opinion. First off I'm a he, not a she, but that is beside the point. I think Jackie is extremely talented and I hope she turns things around. You are proving to me that it truly drives you crazy when something positive is brought up about another artist that seems to be doing a lot more career wise compared to Jackie. Unfortunately that is where things seem to be at in regards to JE these days.... rather static. cer, if you designate yourself a male in your profile, the male symbol will appear on your avatar. "extremely talented" WOW. It's what you post regularly that gives evidence of your admiration as a fan. You've failed to demonstrate anything of significance, and it's too late to redeem yourself with anything beyond this pathetic attempt. You flatter yourself to suppose I'm driven "crazy". Rather, it indicates your intention, which doesn't recommend you much either. I'm aware of the career progress of other artists, but it doesn't matter to me how Jackie compares. She's a different kind of artist in a different class. I'm only interested in what interests her. It's your objective to have registered here for the obvious purpose to point out her shortcomings and the relative status of her career, pretending to be a concerned fan that annoys me. You "hope she turns things around"? You're so transparent you don't even have to be exposed.
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Post by agog on Nov 11, 2017 23:14:15 GMT -5
It's interesting that richard registered this morning just to give us his point of view. I recognized that cer is a loyal fan when her first posts were compliments and photos of Angelica Hale, promoting her and other singers ever since. She has been defending herself as a fan, but offering nothing of substance in support of Jackie. What are your favorite songs on any of Jackie's albums, cer? How many albums, dvds or singles do you own, if any? Do you really enjoy Jackie's music, and what do you really think of her voice? Any compliments on her personality? Do you have anything to submit that would show you admire Jackie in some significant way? A person should offer some credibility as a fan to justify his/her criticisms, in my opinion. First off I'm a he, not a she, but that is beside the point. I think Jackie is extremely talented and I hope she turns things around. You are proving to me that it truly drives you crazy when something positive is brought up about another artist that seems to be doing a lot more career wise compared to Jackie. Unfortunately that is where things seem to be at in regards to JE these days.... rather static. Jackie is unlikely to ever be the most POPULAR entertainer. There will always be true pop stars that outsell her regularly and also flashe-in-the-pan types who burst on the scene and fade quickly like a firework, a one time thing. There are no new young entertainers who could sing what Jackie sings and remain viable. Pop, yes, CC vocals, no. You say; "You are proving to me that it truly drives you crazy when something positive is brought up about another artist that seems to be doing a lot more career wise compared to Jackie." I think you gave yourself away cer. I think you want to "drive people crazy" you get a thrill out of it. It's called trolling. What is the point of saying Jackie is not the most popular, not the most social media savvy, doesn't sell out stadiums like some entertainers? We all know that. We don't expect Jackie's gorgeous CC voice to be the choice of the masses. No surprise. There is a thread on this site to post about other artists.
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Post by agog on Nov 11, 2017 23:21:58 GMT -5
It is possible that a lot of Jackie's future is in a bit of limbo because the E-Team is probably letting commitments expire so that Jackie can take over legal responsibility April 09/18 and beyond. Although she is not obligated to any commitments currently in place that are after April 9th, she would never leave her parents holding the bag for her non-performance. Contrary to some who think Jackie should dump her parents when she is 18 is just nonsense. Such an act by her would put Zac and Rachel in jeopardy. Jackie knows she owes her parents a great deal for supporting her and her dream. Although Mike may have been experiencing some difficulties at the time of Jackie bursting into a career dream, he was certainly capable of being employed in the tech sector. The fact is they are a close knit family including grandparents and uncle. Your first sentence Gordie, is particularly insightful. If so, and it's quite plausible, the 'nearing legal adulthood' theory explains much. Thanks. Oh, I agree with the more standard sentiments of the rest of your post also.
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Post by rob49 on Nov 11, 2017 23:23:38 GMT -5
"LOL rubbish" OK ROB prove what I said is rubbish in regards to the current state of Jackie's career? Explain to me how it's not rather static compared to where it was??? P.S. and yeah I'm a guy not a gal. Proof is the burden of the one posting rubbish claims, and irrelevant comparisons. And no, your opinions are not proof of anything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 23:41:59 GMT -5
This is news from years ago, but the fact that Jackie's Grandfather Bill Evancho is likely financially well off should be taken into account, when we talk about "Who is supporting who". This site lists her grandfather as the principal (President) of an aerospace composites component manufacturer for some major lines of commercial and military airplanes (777, 757, 737, A380, C17, C130, etc.): aerohybrids.com/page5.htmlWhether grandfather Bill is worth mere millions or hundreds of millions I don't know; what we may never know is whether and how much he has supported the E's and Jackie's career. I've always been of the opinion that Jackie's record sales and tours (since Dream With Me) didn't seem enough to support the family, given the considerable expenses of her business. Bill (so far) is the unmentioned elephant in the room - Jackie may not be the only one supporting the family. Don edited
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 0:24:12 GMT -5
First off I'm a he, not a she, but that is beside the point. I think Jackie is extremely talented and I hope she turns things around. You are proving to me that it truly drives you crazy when something positive is brought up about another artist that seems to be doing a lot more career wise compared to Jackie. Unfortunately that is where things seem to be at in regards to JE these days.... rather static. cer, if you designate yourself a male in your profile, the male symbol will appear on your avatar. "extremely talented" WOW. It's what you post regularly that gives evidence of your admiration as a fan. You've failed to demonstrate anything of significance, and it's too late to redeem yourself with anything beyond this pathetic attempt. You flatter yourself to suppose I'm driven "crazy". Rather, it indicates your intention, which doesn't recommend you much either. I'm aware of the career progress of other artists, but it doesn't matter to me how Jackie compares. She's a different kind of artist in a different class. I'm only interested in what interests her. It's your objective to have registered here for the obvious purpose to point out her shortcomings and the relative status of her career, pretending to be a concerned fan that annoys me. You "hope she turns things around"? You're so transparent you don't even have to be exposed. Well I could say that I hope that she fails, but that wouldn't be truthful. I could also say that I hope her career never gets turned around, but that also wouldn't be truthful. Fans who live in the real world or better known as reality, don't like seeing a performer's career slide down the rabbit hole.
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Post by agog on Nov 12, 2017 0:32:32 GMT -5
This is news from years ago, but the fact that Jackie's Grandfather Bill Evancho is likely financially well off should be taken into account, when we talk about "Who is supporting who". This site lists her grandfather as the principal (President) of an aerospace composites component manufacturer for some major lines of commercial and military airplanes (777, 757, 737, A380, C17, C130, etc.): aerohybrids.com/page5.htmlWhether grandfather Bill is worth mere millions or hundreds of millions I don't know; what we may never know is whether and how much he has supported the E's and Jackie's career. I've always been of the opinion that Jackie's record sales and tours (since Dream With Me) didn't seem enough to support the family, given the considerable expenses of her business. Bill (so far) is the unmentioned elephant in the room - Jackie may not be the only one supporting the family. Don edited Dang Don, this must be the night for incisive comments. First Gordie then you. Jackie's cd sales didn't bring in a lot of money iirc Lisa saying so. But her concerts were very lucrative for her first few years I think. I think the concert receipts have only struggled a bit this last year. But what do I know. Don't forget private gigs too, Lara's wedding, Trump at Mar-a-Lago was quite early, the Indonesian billionaire's wedding and more we don't know about. I have the impression that money hasn't been an issue since shortly after AGT. Still, I like your reminder about Grandpa Evancho's wealth. And he almost certainly would help his children and their children if necessary.
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Nov 12, 2017 10:03:04 GMT -5
We can put 2 and 2 together, we know she said she moved to NYC as a career move and nothing seems to have come of it. If she was taking lessons or going to some type of school someone would have mentioned it on their social media. There have been several things that makes me think the money has dried up a lot. No more music videos and asking for donation to make a new one, Lisa asking fans to hang up posters. Trying to get a reality show (which seemed to be just the opposite of their life style in trying to hide from the public). She doesn't look happy on her instagram and even her art work looks sad. http://instagr.am/p/BaZAGlVB9_4 There have been several things that makes me think the money has dried up a lot If Jackie wanted an infusion of cash, she could tour Asia for several months. As sure as anyone can guarantee something they don't know, I guarantee Jackie could sell out large venues in Asia. They love Classical and CC and they love Western entertainers who tour there. She could kill the box offices in ten or more Chinese cities. Then Singapore. Taiwan (if the much more lucrative China proper wouldn't insist on her skipping Taiwan.) How about a few shows in Japan? I bet Japan remembers Jackie. Three or four shows in Australia would be sellouts, one or two in New Zealand and several in S America could wind up a Far East/Pacific tour. My wag is she could put more bucks in her purse than in all her career so far. Such a tour would do wonders for her CD sales too. If I'm wrong, Jackie could say; "I'm not listening to agog any more." If cash is her problem, and I don't think it is, Jackie could rake it in by the bushel in Asia. Good idea. But a full on Asian and South American tour would be exhausting, even for an 18 year old. And would require a major tour company to set it up and book the theaters. And there would have to be at least 22 theaters and performances in each area (Asia or South America) over a month's time . I understand that's the minimum for a theater tour to make a profit It would be very expensive to set up, with paying the living and traveling expenses for Peter K (I assume), her father, PA and PR rep at the least. Would she hire local musicians to accompany her and local performers to open for her or would she take 4 or 5 with her from the States? I think it's a good idea. but I wonder if Jackie would be prepared for what it entails
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