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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 12:55:10 GMT -5
Rob49, here in the US a lot of people I bet don't find it healthy or normal for a kid since she was 10 to support a family of 6, but you obviously do. By the way, you can be a fan, and still have issues with these sort of things. cer, "here in the US a lot of people" think a lot of things, often without justification. As in this matter. If you were a fan you would know that Mr. and Mrs. Evancho are both legally employed, and have supported their family from their earnings since they were married. There is no justification in the demonizing of any Family Business. Jackie has been in the Drivers Seat from the start. Jackie is 100% free to choose to cancel her career at any time. Her parents made that perfectly clear to her before they signed on. LOL If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you, but whatever.
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Post by rob49 on Nov 11, 2017 12:58:45 GMT -5
Rob49, here in the US a lot of people I bet don't find it healthy or normal for a kid since she was 10 to support a family of 6, but you obviously do. By the way, you can be a fan, and still have issues with these sort of things. cer, "here in the US a lot of people" think a lot of things, often without justification. As in this matter. If you were a fan you would know that Mr. and Mrs. Evancho are both legally employed, and have supported their family from their earnings since they were married. There is no justification in the demonizing of any Family Business. Jackie has been in the Drivers Seat from the start. Jackie is 100% free to choose to cancel her career at any time. Her parents made that perfectly clear to her before they signed on. cer exactly what charges are you bring against the Evancho's? You seem to be implying that Jackie is suffering, is not normal or healthy. I believe those who attack the Evanchos are not normal or mentally healthy. It is perfectly clear that the Evanchos are a very close knit, loving family.
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Post by rob49 on Nov 11, 2017 13:00:58 GMT -5
cer, "here in the US a lot of people" think a lot of things, often without justification. As in this matter. If you were a fan you would know that Mr. and Mrs. Evancho are both legally employed, and have supported their family from their earnings since they were married. There is no justification in the demonizing of any Family Business. Jackie has been in the Drivers Seat from the start. Jackie is 100% free to choose to cancel her career at any time. Her parents made that perfectly clear to her before they signed on. LOL If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you, but whatever. I could tell you what you can do with your bridge, but whatever.
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Post by wph on Nov 11, 2017 13:06:47 GMT -5
rob49 there are those in the fan community, who have for a long time,expressed dissatisfaction with the evancho family dynamics.. the one person who would be most likely to indicate unhappiness with the arrangement is jackie... and so far she outwardly seems totally happy with her life and career choices.. that's all anyone should need to know..
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Post by rob49 on Nov 11, 2017 13:10:16 GMT -5
rob49 there are those in the fan community, who have for a long time,expressed dissatisfaction with the evancho family dynamics.. the one person who would be most likely to indicate unhappiness with the arrangement is jackie... and so far she outwardly seems totally happy with her life and career choices.. that's all anyone should need to know.. You are right about that wph. That is all that any sane, or fair minded person, needs to know.
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Post by bounderdriver on Nov 11, 2017 13:30:53 GMT -5
Rob49, here in the US a lot of people I bet don't find it healthy or normal for a kid since she was 10 to support a family of 6, but you obviously do. By the way, you can be a fan, and still have issues with these sort of things. A lot of people in the U.S. And elsewhere find it very healthy and normal for a family member or members to be hired by an underage person's business and provide services to that business with the underage person's best interests in mind rather than their own. Jackie could easily have hired outside sources, paid for those sources and have the money paid leave the family. There is nothing wrong with paying her mother and father for services that you have to pay someone else for anyway. Once her parents receive that earned income, it is theirs to do with as they choose just like yours and mine is. I doubt you are privy to the financial arrangement details between Jackie and her parents. Do they do everything absolutely correct? That depends on who's yardstick you're using to measure success. Jackie's yardstick so far might be a work/life balance that she can enjoy, while at the same time applying her talents for the betterment of the family, not just her own personal piggy bank. This scenario plays out in reverse for 99.9% of all other families. For 18 and often 22 or 23 years, parents are committed to provide for their children. An adequate home, a comfortable living, adequate food to eat and whenever all else the family might need, braces, expenses for school sports, providing for a first car or partially helping with that car, if possible paying for schooling beyond high school, paying for a child's wedding or at least helping. Many parents don't have that capability, most parents would out of love gladly provide if they had that capability. Jackie and her family are in that very small percentage where for them these roles are reversed in a way. The family business has Jackie at the front and her parents behind her doing the best they can and probably are relying on outside resources for guidance and advice but still doing the best that they can for the family business. It gets old reading how people can characterize how this one family runs its family business as simply 'Jackie makes the money and Jackie should be able to keep 100% of the money'. Jackie's business has many business expenses and who she chooses to hire to provide those business services is her decision. The fact that some of those services are provided by her mom and dad does not make one bit of difference. In fact I would make the argument that is more in her best interest to have these services provided to the family business by those that have Jackie's best interests in heart, I.E. her parents.
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Post by richard on Nov 11, 2017 13:37:08 GMT -5
Rob49, here in the US a lot of people I bet don't find it healthy or normal for a kid since she was 10 to support a family of 6, but you obviously do. By the way, you can be a fan, and still have issues with these sort of things. cer, "here in the US a lot of people" think a lot of things, often without justification. As in this matter. If you were a fan you would know that Mr. and Mrs. Evancho are both legally employed, and have supported their family from their earnings since they were married. There is no justification in the demonizing of any Family Business. Jackie has been in the Drivers Seat from the start. Jackie is 100% free to choose to cancel her career at any time. Her parents made that perfectly clear to her before they signed on. Jackie was never really free to just quit as you say after her parents quit their jobs and they purchased a one million dollar home. It not like they have a huge skill set to fall back on. The problem isn't that they quit their jobs and Jackie was the sole income, its that they took over her management with very poor results as can be expected when anyone thinks they are all of a sudden an expert. Read an article on Millie Bobby Brown and her parents quit also like Jackie's but the only thing they do is take care of her social media, We know how bad Mike and Lisa take care of Jackie's not even keeping her main site up to date. Millie has WME management and they assigned her 3 agents. Her social media is growing at an extraordinary pace. 87,757 new daily instagram followers to Jackie's 11. I thought when Jackie moved to NYC it would be for her career but so far I haven't seen anything come of it. While Millie who came in the spotlight after Grace Vanderwaal has already made 6.5 million in endorsements and films. I don't see Jackie's career really developing unless she ditches her parents as managers and goes with a large agency like WME. I wouldn't even let Lisa and Mike touch the social media aspect which is so important in today's world. www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5052587/The-rise-Stranger-Things-star-Millie-Bobby-Brown.htmlI see Jackie Main site isn't up to date as usual. www.jackieevancho.com/events.html
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 13:37:17 GMT -5
LOL If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you, but whatever. I could tell you what you can do with your bridge, but whatever. I could then tell you what you can do with that statement, but whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 13:47:27 GMT -5
cer, "here in the US a lot of people" think a lot of things, often without justification. As in this matter. If you were a fan you would know that Mr. and Mrs. Evancho are both legally employed, and have supported their family from their earnings since they were married. There is no justification in the demonizing of any Family Business. Jackie has been in the Drivers Seat from the start. Jackie is 100% free to choose to cancel her career at any time. Her parents made that perfectly clear to her before they signed on. Jackie was never really free to just quit as you say after her parents quit their jobs and they purchased a one million dollar home. It not like they have a huge skill set to fall back on. The problem isn't that they quit their jobs and Jackie was the sole income, its that they took over her management with very poor results as can be expected when anyone thinks they are all of a sudden an expert. Read an article on Millie Bobby Brown and her parents quit also like Jackie's but the only thing they do is take care of her social media, We know how bad Mike and Lisa take care of Jackie's not even keeping her main site up to date. Millie has WME management and they assigned her 3 agents. Her social media is growing at an extraordinary pace. 87,757 new daily instagram followers to Jackie's 11. I thought when Jackie moved to NYC it would be for her career but so far I haven't seen anything come of it. While Millie who came in the spotlight after Grace Vanderwaal has already made 6.5 million in endorsements and films. I don't see Jackie's career really developing unless she ditches her parents as managers and goes with a large agency like WME. I wouldn't even let Lisa and Mike touch the social media aspect which is so important in today's world. www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5052587/The-rise-Stranger-Things-star-Millie-Bobby-Brown.htmlI see Jackie Main site isn't up to date as usual. www.jackieevancho.com/events.htmlJust look at Vanderwaal, Brown, The Ziegler girls, and some of the newbies like Darci Lynn and Angelica Hale, they all seem light years a head of Jackie when it comes to their social media presence. JE needs to pick it up big time.
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Post by rob49 on Nov 11, 2017 13:56:08 GMT -5
cer, "here in the US a lot of people" think a lot of things, often without justification. As in this matter. If you were a fan you would know that Mr. and Mrs. Evancho are both legally employed, and have supported their family from their earnings since they were married. There is no justification in the demonizing of any Family Business. Jackie has been in the Drivers Seat from the start. Jackie is 100% free to choose to cancel her career at any time. Her parents made that perfectly clear to her before they signed on. Richard, the world is full of people who think they know it all. Unless you can show evidence supporting your BOLD ALL INCLUSIVE CLAIM. "Jackie was never really free to just quit" I will take it for what it is. BS. And I don't believe you could have found a much more irrelevant person to compare with Jackie's part time career, than Millie Bobby Brown.
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Post by rob49 on Nov 11, 2017 14:00:33 GMT -5
Jackie was never really free to just quit Just look at Vanderwaal, Brown, The Ziegler girls, and some of the newbies like Darci Lynn and Angelica Hale, they all seem light years a head of Jackie when it comes to their social media presence. JE needs to pick it up big time. cer, I see you are trying to prove me wrong about Richard could not have found a more irrelevant comparison than Millie Bobby Brown. You Failed. You listed more irrelevant comparisons, but they are not more irrelevant.
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Post by rob49 on Nov 11, 2017 14:10:58 GMT -5
Just look at Vanderwaal, Brown, The Ziegler girls, and some of the newbies like Darci Lynn and Angelica Hale, they all seem light years a head of Jackie when it comes to their social media presence. JE needs to pick it up big time. I have no idea how involved any of these young people are themselves involved in social media, hopefully not overly. cer, maybe you missed this in the Shoutbox, Facebook's Sean Parker in a candid interview with Axios, revealed that the popular social network was meant to be addictive. “God only knows what it’s doing to our children’s brains,” Parker bluntly said when talking about social media. Parker admitted that he, Facebook creator Mark Zuckerberg, Instagram’s Kevin Systrom, and others knew that they were making social media addictive and decided to keep doing it anyway. And that could be potentially harmful to our brains.
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Post by richard on Nov 11, 2017 14:58:11 GMT -5
Richard, the world is full of people who think they know it all. Unless you can show evidence supporting your BOLD ALL INCLUSIVE CLAIM. "Jackie was never really free to just quit" I will take it for what it is. BS. And I don't believe you could have found a much more irrelevant person to compare with Jackie's part time career, than Millie Bobby Brown. 7 years Jackie has been a professional and it is not a Part time career it never has been. Mommy and Daddy don't quit their jobs for a kids part time career. Millie is just as relevant as Grace Vanderwaal to Jackie's career. Grace, Maddie and Millie follow the same formula to make themselves as popular as possible then everything else will follow when they have millions of fans behind them. Remember Jackie dismal showing at her last CD signing at K-Mart where it looked like only the K-Mart employees showed up. I think they even took that video down. Now look at Grace new album signing at the Mall of America. http://instagr.am/p/BbXNtRyg_pK I Believe Grace even put the entire album on youtube where as Mike made his career taking everything down. I don't see Jackie making any headway in her career. Her instagram site is just a selfie site 11 new followers daily is not growth.
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Post by rob49 on Nov 11, 2017 15:14:01 GMT -5
Richard, the world is full of people who think they know it all. Unless you can show evidence supporting your BOLD ALL INCLUSIVE CLAIM. "Jackie was never really free to just quit" I will take it for what it is. BS. And I don't believe you could have found a much more irrelevant person to compare with Jackie's part time career, than Millie Bobby Brown. 7 years Jackie has been a professional and it is not a Part time career it never has been. This claim you are making, "7 years Jackie has been a professional and it is not a Part time career it never has been.", is either an incorrect opinion, or a baldface lie. Either way you are wrong. Jackie's career is both professional and Part Time. But even Part Time professional performing vocal artist needs a Full Time staff. Those you list are in no way relevant to Jackie's part time career. If you can not understand, and accept both of these facts, then there is absolutely no reason for any further communications between you and I on this topic.
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Post by richard on Nov 11, 2017 15:37:39 GMT -5
7 years Jackie has been a professional and it is not a Part time career it never has been. This claim you are making, "7 years Jackie has been a professional and it is not a Part time career it never has been.", is either an incorrect opinion, or a baldface lie. Either way you are wrong. Jackie's career is both professional and Part Time. But even Part Time professional performing vocal artist needs a Full Time staff. Those you list are in no way relevant to Jackie's part time career. If you can not understand, and accept both of these facts, then there is absolutely no reason for any further communications between you and I on this topic.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Good bury your head in the sand as so many of Jackie's fans have in the past. The days of " She will be bigger than Lady GaGa or over " 7 years is more than enough to make a trend line and it isn't good for Jackie. You don't see her getting any endorsements and very little exposure. If you believe that she waited until she became an almost unknown to go full time than I also have a bridge to sell you. Jackie has the talent and all the tools needed for her career to grow. But she either doesn't have the willingness or the management to make it happen. I haven't seen anything that says she wants to be personally involved in her career.
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