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Post by Beachguy on Aug 12, 2017 8:28:01 GMT -5
I think she has a once-in-a-millennium gift in the particular style of singing she started with. Whether it's Nessun Dorma or songs which were pop songs, like Arms of An Angel, that style is where she is extraordinary (and has been extraordinary since she was 10). For "pop" music I don't think the style on Two Hearts' CD2 suits her voice at all, and wasn't good as pop music. Most pop music is bad singing, but energetic with a beat. Her gift is too good for that and it's unfortunate that there isn't a bigger market for it. She also seems to be an introverted singer, who connects more with the music rather than the audience. So she often sings with her eyes closed, and particularly the younger the Jackie made quite expressive arm gestures while singing with her eyes closed. That's an introverted style which connects with the meaning of a song, and can produce a strong emotional effect. It's quite different from the extraverted style that pop music is, which emphasizes connecting with and entertaining an audience. I think other kinds of personalities are more naturally suited to that, and if Jackie stuck with what she's good at and worked with talented classical composers she would eventually produce new music that would be noticed more widely. I agree with your post in general, particularly Jackie's introverted style and connecting with the meaning of the song. I tend to think Jackie's objective with her "pop" songs was more about her message than an attempt to create a pop style. She had to create, with the help of her co-writers, a presentation for the songs that would express her meaning and the emotion she felt about the subject of each, poetry put to music if you will, that could not be appropriately portrayed in her classical style. Taken for what they were in that regard, I think it was a successful attempt with her ability to adapt her voice to the character and emotion of each song. Like a Mr Foster you perhaps believe she has a "" genius musical ability "" , must be true as she sold a P & G albums very young .Some songs she said she didn't even understand
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 13:22:47 GMT -5
I do. Though she may not have understand the language or had the experience to relate to the lyrics, her "genius" is her ability to interpret the song from her own sensitivity to its intended emotion and deliver it in a way that affects people profoundly. Isn't that the purpose of music?...to move people, especially if they are moved to tears even though they themselves may not know the language or the meaning of a song? She hasn't lost that interpretive insight.
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Post by Gato on Aug 12, 2017 13:53:10 GMT -5
"genius" might be a bit OTT, but she definitely has an affinity for music that allows her to share not just a melody but the emotion in the lyrics.
Would that she could find her way back to the classical crossover genre that she does so well. I can allow (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) an occasional pop song as long as it's a good fit for her (like Bridge Over Troubled Water). There are many ballads out there that I think she could do very well.
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Aug 12, 2017 14:20:51 GMT -5
Well you put Juliet in that sentence which is why I didn't understand it. But allow me to expand upon it if you will. I found it very curious that in the Growing Up Evancho Special, Juliet said she "always wanted to be a singer". But before that she said she was too nervous to sing in public after Jackie brought her(as Jacob) onstage to sing a duet with her. Two years later he sang with her on her second PBS Special in LA and that's the last we've heard of Juliet singing. Makes me wonder if last night's Evancho episode was scripted... Perhaps, not the actual dialog, but the story line was certainly scripted, as are all "reality" shows. The producers who shoot these things on "spec", certainly have to know if there are enough plot points to make it worth while. That is worthhile enough to interest a sponsor in buying a series, based on that pilot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 15:22:20 GMT -5
I do. Though she may not have understand the language or had the experience to relate to the lyrics, her "genius" is her ability to interpret the song from her own sensitivity to its intended emotion and deliver it in a way that affects people profoundly. Isn't that the purpose of music?...to move people, especially if they are moved tears even though they themselves may not know the language or the meaning of a song? She hasn't lost that interpretive insight. It's apparent you fail to recognize her genius or just refuse to acknowledge it. It would really broaden your appreciate of Jackie's prodigious talent if you developed more sensitivity, instead of a gift for diminishing another's abilities. Hello CLeo. I thought I was finally going to get to argue with you. I have a very little thing about labels. Genius, hero, etc. I put you at hero because you served our country. Do you feel heroic? Most don't. Genius is out there quit a bit. So I looked it up on the recognized authority of all things - Wikipedia. Behold, in summary, there is not a scientific definition. It did show a couple of nobodies that may fit - Leo di Vinci, and WG A Mozart. Some think IQ is a rating of a genius. The shows I've seen that document high IQ guys, they can't even tie their shoes. Basically, if you can sing really well, play a guitar, piano, etc. and it changes the world, you may be a genius or just sing really well. Anyway, you are free to label anyone for anything.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 16:24:35 GMT -5
I understand "genius" to mean someone with exceptional intellect, creative power or natural ability. Jackie's genius has been described by a number of people as having an exceptional ability to interpret her music and express a related emotion to that interpretation. The question is then does the label genius as applied to her exceptional natural ability apply? I would tend to support that application in this case but it is open to interpretation of "exceptional"
I am one that believes "genius" has been labelled to many that only have demonstrated a high degree of common sense. It has been stated in an amusing prayer..."Please Lord do not let common sense become so rare that it is mistaken for genius".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 16:31:52 GMT -5
I do. Though she may not have understand the language or had the experience to relate to the lyrics, her "genius" is her ability to interpret the song from her own sensitivity to its intended emotion and deliver it in a way that affects people profoundly. Isn't that the purpose of music?...to move people, especially if they are moved tears even though they themselves may not know the language or the meaning of a song? She hasn't lost that interpretive insight. It's apparent you fail to recognize her genius or just refuse to acknowledge it. It would really broaden your appreciate of Jackie's prodigious talent if you developed more sensitivity, instead of a gift for diminishing another's abilities. Hello CLeo. I thought I was finally going to get to argue with you. I have a very little thing about labels. Genius, hero, etc. I put you at hero because you served our country. Do you feel heroic? Most don't. Genius is out there quit a bit. So I looked it up on the recognized authority of all things - Wikipedia. Behold, in summary, there is not a scientific definition. It did show a couple of nobodies that may fit - Leo di Vinci, and WG A Mozart. Some think IQ is a rating of a genius. The shows I've seen that document high IQ guys, they can't even tie their shoes. Basically, if you can sing really well, play a guitar, piano, etc. and it changes the world, you may be a genius or just sing really well. Anyway, you are free to label anyone for anything. Hello, wayne. No, I don't feel heroic. Just did my job in Viet Nam and survived. I've said a few times before that I don't consider Jackie a "genius" in the sense of having an extremely high IQ, though I think she is very intelligent, or being a creative genius like Mozart. Rather she, being acknowledged a vocal prodigy, has an ingenious understanding of music, as David Foster said. Much of that lies in her extraordinary ability to interpret a song unfamiliar to her readily without benefit of experience and with appropriate emotion not expected from a child. So, I say "her genius" meaning a reference to her musical abilities acknowledged by some professionals as far beyond those normally demonstrated by a child. The word g enius may be associated with prodigy, and for me it is an appropriate description of an exceptional musical prowess for which there seems no other single term that suffices. I know it is debatable, and I suggest it not be taken too literally. Edit add: Hello, gordie. Apparently I was still writing/thinking when you wrote and posted your response which appeared earlier than mine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 13:08:27 GMT -5
An excerpt from "What IS Classical Singing", Peterson Voice Studio: petersenvoicestudio.com/2015/06/21/what-is-classical-singing/"Here is a video of classical singers singing John Denver in an obvious ‘classical style.’ Is this stylistically and musically correct? No. Very few of these singers (René Pape is the exception 2:08) can manage to fit their voices stylistically to this music to sing it CORRECTLY. Remember, pop stars singing in opera is an affront to many classical teachers and singers sense of decency (Moral superiority of sound, right?) Also consider that we’re often told if you can sing classically, you can sing anything. Perhaps, but can these artists convince you that this is how to present this particular music? Would this particular approach sell out an area today?....
...When your classical singing training prevents you from singing other styles of music, your voice has been SPECIALIZED into a classical STYLE. You cannot ‘get out’ of singing with your classical sound. In effect, the muscles of your vocal system are firmly locked in place, and won’t adjust to other ways of working (style)."
Any thoughts on how this relates to the wisdom, in my view, of Jackie' s having refused to pursue classical voice training and not wanting to be "limited"?
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Post by bounderdriver on Aug 25, 2018 15:28:02 GMT -5
"Here is a video of classical singers singing John Denver in an obvious ‘classical style.’
OK, this is too weird... I was just last night thinking this very thing-John Denver was a very accomplished writer and composer as well as a great 'folk' tenor', and I wondered how some of his music would sound if sung by Jackie.
My mother passed about a year ago and from a young age I remember her loving all of his albums. he had many 'lesser known' beautiful songs that she would just crush if she sang them. Especially since she so easily steps out of classical voice.
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