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Post by johnnyb on May 26, 2019 11:57:58 GMT -5
Just ignore them Cer, it's all fake news. Their goal is to create a little Jackie the Angel 😇 utopia club. Rick has stated that's not the kind of forum he wants to participate in. While I don't agree with your barely passive/aggressive negative assessment of the goals of the few remaining Jackie fans on this site I do have a suggestion for those who dislike Jackie and her somewhat still enthusiastic fans. My suggestion is go to the other two of the now three Jackie proboards sites. On both of those sites you will find like minded people who do not like or appreciate Jackie or her fans. People who DO like Jackie, people who DO appreciate her remarkable gift, people who DO wish to remain loyal supporters deserve to have at least one site where their appreciation for Jackie's past and hope for Jackie's future can be posted without UTBs mocking them. It doesn't take much insight to realize that chronic UTBers who stick around a fan site years on end denigrating the subject and the more socialized loyalist fans who support that subject (in this case JME) have internal issues that they are playing out under cover of internet anonymity. In real life they would be shunned and not invited back to the party...or worse. It doesn't take much insight to realize that you talk out both sides of your mouth or arse, which ever you prefer.You sir are a HYPOCRITE. I'll say one thing about Rick, he's consistent. He's states his hatered for the Evanchos and Jackie's music(albums) on all three forums. Reinstate Cer immediately, he has done nothing to deserve being banned. Rob49 and Beachguy both received warnings for months before Rick banned them, Cer deserves the same respect.
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Post by agog on May 26, 2019 12:13:04 GMT -5
It doesn't take much insight to realize that you talk out both sides of your mouth or arse, which ever you prefer.You sir are a HYPOCRITE. I'll say one thing about Rick, he's consistent. He's states his hatered for the Evanchos and Jackie's music(albums) on all three forums. Reinstate Cer immediately, he has done nothing to deserve being banned. Rob49 and Beachguy both received warnings for months before Rick banned them, Cer deserves the same respect. No!
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Post by agog on May 26, 2019 12:14:07 GMT -5
The Vice Lackey has spoken.
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Post by agog on May 26, 2019 12:24:02 GMT -5
Rob49 and Beachguy both received warnings for months before Rick banned them, Cer deserves the same respect. That's why Rick (The Supreme High Poobah) established the high office of Vice Lackey. The man thinks things too deep and too long. Vice Lackey said "pull the trigger."
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Post by lawrence on Nov 23, 2023 9:05:00 GMT -5
What is a forum?
"An Internet forum is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted comments/messages..... A forum is a gathering of individuals who come together to express their ideas, opinions, and concerns. Whatever topic the online forum is dedicated to, a successful one needs users who will continue to come back and engage, putting their time and energy into keeping the conversation alive."
This forum is titled, "Jackie Evancho Fans....Where Fans Gather. Where is the gathering? Where is the conversation relative to Jackie Evancho? Practically no ideas are being expressed, opinions given or concerns conveyed, despite her increased activity on social media and YouTube relative to her songwriting and composing her own music, not to mention having released 2 original songs to preview her new EP. Discussion is all but non-existent here. Actually in the past month or so, more interest has been shown in Angelina Jordan, Giulia Falcone and Lucy Thomas, neither of whom is the topic of this forum.
Well, I had to get this off my chest. Take it for what it is. I'm disgusted with the lack of enthusiasm here for Jackie. Meanwhile, YouTube comments are plentiful and encouraging. Jackie has even responded, which I've never seen before. She is happy and excited about her songwriting endeavor, rightfully so in my opinion. It's fortunate for her that she has no interest in this forum. She doesn't need to be depressed at this point in her life and career.
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Post by rlhamil on Nov 23, 2023 13:34:32 GMT -5
I'll post news if I find something nobody else has posted yet (I don't do daily research, but get an automatic alert for some things, and dig a bit deeper if it seems that might add value). I may jump in on something like the comparisons of Jackie's versions to the originals, as I did.
I'm not a likely candidate for discussion, whatever that ends up meaning. Opinions are IMO like a certain orifice, everyone has one, doesn't make them appealing. And an echo chamber is boring, but so is an unending debate. Ideas...if they could actually make a difference, maybe, if I have one. Concerns, ditto. Otherwise, waste of bandwidth IMO. Not going to get wound up if it doesn't help anything.
If that's not enough, too bad.
edit: sometimes people are busy doing other things. And sometimes, when there's not much to say, the best thing to say is nothing rather than talking just for the sake of talking. Quiet periods are not the enemy; indifference is perhaps, but they're not the same thing.
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Post by Willyiam on Nov 23, 2023 15:15:00 GMT -5
What is a forum? "An Internet forum is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted comments/messages..... A forum is a gathering of individuals who come together to express their ideas, opinions, and concerns. Whatever topic the online forum is dedicated to, a successful one needs users who will continue to come back and engage, putting their time and energy into keeping the conversation alive." This forum is titled, "Jackie Evancho Fans....Where Fans Gather. Where is the gathering? Where is the conversation relative to Jackie Evancho? Practically no ideas are being expressed, opinions given or concerns conveyed, despite her increased activity on social media and YouTube relative to her songwriting and composing her own music, not to mention having released 2 original songs to preview her new EP. Discussion is all but non-existent here. Actually in the past month or so, more interest has been shown in Angelina Jordan, Giulia Falcone and Lucy Thomas, neither of whom is the topic of this forum. Well, I had to get this off my chest. Take it for what it is. I'm disgusted with the lack of enthusiasm here for Jackie. Meanwhile, YouTube comments are plentiful and encouraging. Jackie has even responded, which I've never seen before. She is happy and excited about her songwriting endeavor, rightfully so in my opinion. It's fortunate for her that she has no interest in this forum. She doesn't need to be depressed at this point in her life and career. lawrence: I think you are expecting too much of the members of this forum!! Back when Jackie was actively pursuing a career (releasing albums, interviews, booking venues, personal appearance, etc.), the posts on Amazon and then on this forum, were extremely active! But, as the child became a girl, then a woman, and her family life and mental health condition deteriorated (How many of us grew up with a Brother, who then became a Sister?), the activity abruptly stopped, and so did the posts!! After years of silence, when she finally started to communicate again, it was to tell the world that she had an auto accident and broke her back, has an eating disorder, and a mental problem. Then, the genre changes were all over the map, until she finally settled on Pop. Now, the Social Media communication is picking up and so is her song writing, but no indication that she is again actively pursing a career! Try this exercise to get an idea of who is actively posting and when they stopped: Click on Members on the Home page and click on Posts to re-sequence. yellowstone2014 wins the most posts with 7,423!! And why is Beachguy on this list?? But, if you look down the list, the Last Posted date of most of the frequent posters, is 2018 and 2019, which is when Jackie was active!! It is my humble opinion, that the several years of no communication, cost Jackie a lot of members, and her genre change has cost even more! Until she starts to give the membership a reason to post, we will endure the status quo!!
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Post by lawrence on Nov 24, 2023 1:10:22 GMT -5
What is a forum? "An Internet forum is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted comments/messages..... A forum is a gathering of individuals who come together to express their ideas, opinions, and concerns. Whatever topic the online forum is dedicated to, a successful one needs users who will continue to come back and engage, putting their time and energy into keeping the conversation alive." This forum is titled, "Jackie Evancho Fans....Where Fans Gather. Where is the gathering? Where is the conversation relative to Jackie Evancho? Practically no ideas are being expressed, opinions given or concerns conveyed, despite her increased activity on social media and YouTube relative to her songwriting and composing her own music, not to mention having released 2 original songs to preview her new EP. Discussion is all but non-existent here. Actually in the past month or so, more interest has been shown in Angelina Jordan, Giulia Falcone and Lucy Thomas, neither of whom is the topic of this forum. Well, I had to get this off my chest. Take it for what it is. I'm disgusted with the lack of enthusiasm here for Jackie. Meanwhile, YouTube comments are plentiful and encouraging. Jackie has even responded, which I've never seen before. She is happy and excited about her songwriting endeavor, rightfully so in my opinion. It's fortunate for her that she has no interest in this forum. She doesn't need to be depressed at this point in her life and career. lawrence: I think you are expecting too much of the members of this forum!!Back when Jackie was actively pursuing a career (releasing albums, interviews, booking venues, personal appearance, etc.), the posts on Amazon and then on this forum, were extremely active! But, as the child became a girl, then a woman, and her family life and mental health condition deteriorated (How many of us grew up with a Brother, who then became a Sister?), the activity abruptly stopped, and so did the posts!! After years of silence, when she finally started to communicate again, it was to tell the world that she had an auto accident and broke her back, has an eating disorder, and a mental problem. Then, the genre changes were all over the map, until she finally settled on Pop. Now, the Social Media communication is picking up and so is her song writing, but no indication that she is again actively pursing a career!Try this exercise to get an idea of who is actively posting and when they stopped: Click on Members on the Home page and click on Posts to re-sequence. yellowstone2014 wins the most posts with 7,423!! And why is Beachguy on this list?? But, if you look down the list, the Last Posted date of most of the frequent posters, is 2018 and 2019, which is when Jackie was active!! It is my humble opinion, that the several years of no communication, cost Jackie a lot of members, and her genre change has cost even more! Until she starts to give the membership a reason to post, we will endure the status quo!!
My thanks to rlhamil and willyiam for responding. Willyiam, I believe you're right about expecting too much of the members of this forum. "Now, the Social Media communication is picking up and so is her song writing, but no indication that she is again actively pursing a career!."......"Until she starts to give the membership a reason to post, we will endure the status quo!!" Here is a good indication that she is actively pursuing a career of writing, composing, co-producing (at present) and releasing original songs. Is there any doubt that she has been working diligently in that pursuit, having already released 3 original songs the past two months, with an EP of 5 songs scheduled for release in 2024? That's been reason enough to have inspired fans on YouTube and social media to post comments where the response has been and continues to be very positive and encouraging. Meanwhile, the status quo on this forum seems one of apparent "indifference", as rlhamil alluded in his reply. It certainly is not a "quiet period". So be it. As the saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink". Oct 23, 2023 Nov 4, 2023
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Post by geb on Nov 24, 2023 23:59:23 GMT -5
When one tries to coop threads like "Other Artists" that are intended for OTHER ARTISTS, people get angry and become indifferent to whatever one is trying to say anywhere.
Sticking two Jackie threads in "Other Artists" in a blatant attempt to push Jackie in an OTHER ARTISTS thread is NOT the way to endure the new Jackie to whatever Jackie fans still exist in this forum.
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Post by lawrence on Nov 25, 2023 3:35:32 GMT -5
When one tries to coop threads like "Other Artists" that are intended for OTHER ARTISTS, people get angry and become indifferent to whatever one is trying to say anywhere. Sticking two Jackie threads in "Other Artists" in a blatant attempt to push Jackie in an OTHER ARTISTS thread is NOT the way to endure the new Jackie to whatever Jackie fans still exist in this forum. The topic reads, "Other Artists as they relate to Jackie" Barbra Streisand is related to Jackie by virtue of Jackie having recorded 4 of Barbra's songs, thus the title of the thread, "Jackie and Barbra Streisand" which compares Jackie's renditions with Barbra's recordings, Barbra being an "other artist". The thread "Jackie's Versions Compared to the Original Artist" compares Jackie's recordings/performances with artists she has covered. Those with whom Jackie is compared are "other artists". Neither of those threads take anything away from or intrude upon (co-opt) any other artists/threads under that topic. Why should anyone be angry? No one here is responsible for your indifference to Jackie.
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Post by geb on Nov 25, 2023 8:00:08 GMT -5
When one tries to coop threads like "Other Artists" that are intended for OTHER ARTISTS, people get angry and become indifferent to whatever one is trying to say anywhere. Sticking two Jackie threads in "Other Artists" in a blatant attempt to push Jackie in an OTHER ARTISTS thread is NOT the way to endure the new Jackie to whatever Jackie fans still exist in this forum. The topic reads, "Other Artists as they relate to Jackie" Barbra Streisand is related to Jackie by virtue of Jackie having recorded 4 of Barbra's songs, thus the title of the thread, "Jackie and Barbra Streisand" which compares Jackie's renditions with Barbra's recordings, Barbra being an "other artist". The thread "Jackie's Versions Compared to the Original Artist" compares Jackie's recordings/performances with artists she has covered. Those with whom Jackie is compared are "other artists". Neither of those threads take anything away from or intrude upon (co-opt) any other artists/threads under that topic. Why should anyone be angry? No one here is responsible for your indifference to Jackie. Lawrence, you continually say things about me that I never said nor believe nor think. Please stop. I NEVER said that I was indifferent to Jackie. Please reframe from lying about what people say. Do whatever you want except lying about what people say, believe, or think. And it is not even close to being courteous to a person to claim you know what they believe or think without that person telling you what they believe or think. Please stop. Paraphrasing, what I said is that people tend to become indifferent to others who appear to be pushing an agenda. Probably Jackie's greatest fan, at least in my opinion, who has attended more Jackie concerts than any other fan, purchases extra tickets that he many times gives away. Many times he purchases multiple copies of Jackie's albums, that he has given away to try to generate interest in Jackie. He routinely purchased flowers to be put on stage for Jackie during her concerts. His car license plate is "JME FAN". Jackie has signed multiple things for him over the years. We text each other about Jackie and other things. I cannot remember the last time he came to this forum. Other places are more informative and interesting to him. He is not alone in not frequenting this forum as can be seen with a simple scan of the member list.
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Post by lawrence on Nov 28, 2023 9:41:20 GMT -5
Paraphrasing, what I said is that people tend to become indifferent to others who appear to be pushing an agenda. What is my "agenda", if it's other than promoting Jackie?
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Post by lawrence on Nov 29, 2023 10:40:49 GMT -5
Click on Members on the Home page and click on Posts to re-sequence. yellowstone2014 wins the most posts with 7,423!! And why is Beachguy on this list?? But, if you look down the list, the Last Posted date of most of the frequent posters, is 2018 and 2019, which is when Jackie was active!! I cannot remember the last time he came to this forum. Other places are more informative and interesting to him. He is not alone in not frequenting this forum as can be seen with a simple scan of the member list. One might be reminded that in 2019 there was an exodus of loyal Jackie fans, active contributors who left the forum, though not because of disinterest in Jackie. The Debut had been released and Jackie was making appearances, giving interviews, and was actively touring, right up to the time she competed on The Masked Singer (Jan/Feb, 2020) including the last weekend in Feb. There was a lot of activity and discussion on the forum, and also a lot of turmoil. Dedicated fans had become disgusted with the constant disruption from certain antagonistic members such as beachguy, eulenspiel, alias german, and cer (btw, beachguy was banned a few times and returned under different user names to continue his harassment of particular members, still on the roster as "rob"). A few of the disgruntled members left parting remarks that they would no longer tolerate the hostility and discontent and left together. 5 deleted their accounts, while others simply vanished one by one within a short time. One cannot say they had no further interest in Jackie, quite the contrary. In fact, knowing their loyalty to Jackie (a few labeled "ott"), I suspect they are active elsewhere (social media and/or YouTube), perhaps under different user names, or they frequent the forum as guests. They are the following in alphabetical order: curtis114 (on the roster) chris (on the roster) cleanard/CL (deleted acct) don_? (deleted acct) gordie (deleted acct) Jerry240 (on the roster) jrchico (on the roster as admin) Juxtaposer (on the roster) rob49 (on the roster) Schrodinger (deleted acct) wayne (deleted acct)
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Post by rlhamil on Nov 29, 2023 10:50:06 GMT -5
It would of course be no great trick for Schrodinger to be simultaneously here and not here. Especially if (s)he is a cat.
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