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Post by johnnyb on Dec 30, 2023 18:08:50 GMT -5
Contempt is an attitude towards individuals, social groups and eventually ideologies, that evokes a sense of superiority and the right to judge, amid feelings of disgust and anger. Hmmm, it appears you’re describing yourself and a few of your fellow comrades who continue to bury their heads in the sand and hide from reality. I encourage you to come on over and discuss your point of views with my fellow members over at Amazon Revisted, what are you afraid of. Dictionary definition of contempt, and mine as well with regard to your apparent sentiment toward Jackie's fans and this forum. Contempt is a strong feeling of disliking and having no respect for someone or something. The feeling that a person or a thing is beneath consideration, worthless, or deserving scorn. With regard to the other members of this forum, my sentiment is not one of judgement but of disappointment with those who do not actively participate, and certainly not with contempt (having no respect for, or considered beneath consideration). Unfortunately there not participating in this forum but are actively and enthusiastically posting in other forums. The question you should be asking yourself Larry is why. Why is that Larry? I know why but I’m positive you wouldn’t like to hear the answer.
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Post by rlhamil on Dec 30, 2023 19:36:05 GMT -5
Due to the disappointing lack of active participation on this forum and particularly the admin's continued disinterest in Jackie, it might be better that it be disbanded also. It's embarrassing that with a membership of over 200 and only about 10 members who log in daily, only 3 or four including myself post comments. ... Excuses for this lack of participation are meaningless. You're either with Jackie in this endeavor and willing to express it with enthusiasm, and a little promotional effort, or you're not. Why log in day after day just to say nothing? That's just wrong. I want information and will gladly post information if I find it first, or a description (with little in the way of opinion) of events I attended. I follow discussion but mostly don't want to get into it. If some find it entertaining, that's fine, but my life is not about being a free content provider. (I don't post much on social media either, although something reputable and IMO underreported I might share.) I'll wear the t-shirts sometimes, and say nice things in places that matter more than here sometimes. But I am NOBODY's free advertising; that's way more than I'd do for anyone else. I may think about a gentler way to convey that to the jackie-evancho.dk webmaster. That site does have a lot of collected goodies on it, and for that alone, even if it's not very active, it would be a shame for it to go away.
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Post by rlhamil on Dec 30, 2023 19:41:54 GMT -5
Dictionary definition of contempt, and mine as well with regard to your apparent sentiment toward Jackie's fans and this forum. Contempt is a strong feeling of disliking and having no respect for someone or something. The feeling that a person or a thing is beneath consideration, worthless, or deserving scorn. With regard to the other members of this forum, my sentiment is not one of judgement but of disappointment with those who do not actively participate, and certainly not with contempt (having no respect for, or considered beneath consideration). Unfortunately there not participating in this forum but are actively and enthusiastically posting in other forums. The question you should be asking yourself Larry is why. Why is that Larry? I know why but I’m positive you wouldn’t like to hear the answer. Some would argue that it's because discussion (such as it is) is too one-sided here. I don't buy that, myself. But then, I don't much care for discussion for discussion's sake, unless it avoids cheap shots (let alone repetitive ones) and contains a reasonably high proportion of reasoning from facts to reach possibilities not previously discussed to death. I suppose for a celebrity themselves, they should post something at least two or three times a week on social media, even if not once a day. Problem even with that, is that there is not going to be something professionally interesting to post every day or sometimes even three times a week, so there will be fill with selfies and human interest posts and so on. I like a few of those, but not to fill levels. But for anyone merely talking about a celebrity, silence is NOT the enemy.
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Post by msims on Dec 30, 2023 20:40:26 GMT -5
That's not true. You guys attack msims every time he posts and he always posts about Jackie. You guys have attack lawrence behind his back on that site. Sims lives in denial and what user name is he posting under over there? "Denial" because I quote articles and post facts with links such as that she sold over 3 million units during her Columbia and Masterworks years. They don't want to hear either that she sold a million copies of ohn in six weeks, which their favorites have not come close to doing even though they claim Jackie is not popular (whatever that means and as if any fan cares whether shes on the same level as Taylor Swift, they just love her voice and seeing and listening to her). Also because I don't buy into fact free nonsense theories about her and where she lives, such as that she has to live with her Father because shes not competent or she cannot afford her own apartment in NYC, that it must belong to her photographer friend. The name of the building of the apartment where she resides even though its not public info, the NYPost article states the family has dealt with safety issues before and someone coincidentally knocked on the door of the family house after an anonymous guest posted the city of the house where its located and there were photos posted that someone found. The purpose of recruiting fans (btw recruiting alone can get a user banned on some sites, but I doubt that would happen here) to go on amazon is so they can be inundated with propaganda under multiple alias accounts and spamming of those who have little to no connection at all with Jackie. Its also a deflection and distraction tactic from any on topic discussion. The sole purpose is to create more johnnyb's which are anti-fans, those who no longer support Jackie but haven't moved on. Ultimately, the goal of those on amazon is for her health and career to fail, gaslighting fans and Jackie herself.
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Post by rlhamil on Dec 30, 2023 20:59:14 GMT -5
Sims lives in denial and what user name is he posting under over there? "Denial" because I quote articles and post facts with links such as that she sold over 3 million units during her Columbia and Masterworks years. They don't want to hear either that she sold a million copies of ohn in six weeks, which their favorites have not come close to doing even though they claim Jackie is not popular (whatever that means and as if any fan cares whether shes on the same level as Taylor Swift, they just love her voice and seeing and listening to her). Also because I don't buy into fact free nonsense theories about her and where she lives, such as that she has to live with her Father because shes not competent or she cannot afford her own apartment in NYC, that it must belong to her photographer friend. That its okay to name the city where her family house is even though thats not public info, the name of the building of the apartment where she resides even though the NYPost article states the family has dealt with safety issues before and someone coincidentally knocked on the door of the family house after an anonymous guest posted the city of the house where its located and there were photos posted that someone found. The purpose of recruiting fans (btw recruiting alone can get a user banned on some sites, but I doubt that would happen here) to go on amazon is so they can be inundated with propaganda under multiple alias accounts and spamming of those who have little to no connection at all with Jackie. The sole purpose is to create more johnnyb's which are anti-fans, those who no longer support Jackie but haven't moved on. Ultimately, the goal of those on amazon is for her health and career to fail, gaslighting fans and Jackie herself. It is no place for anyone who loves Jackie as a vocalist unless they don't buy into the garbage. I mostly agree in principle. But big city (Pittsburgh let alone NYC) is hardly a secret. And the previous address (the large house) was blown by their own bus video (the one where Maggie first ran into the luggage compartment, before trying again and going up the bus steps), which showed both the unusual driveway and the house number. That was sufficient that a bit of looking around on Google Earth (or Maps) assuming the same school district, could find it; there were only a couple of houses in the general area with that sort of driveway. There were other clues too, but I'm not going to explain all the different ways public information can be used to find people. Not everyone has those or similar skills*, so whoever figures these things out should both keep it to themselves AND not go there or try to send letters there. Publicizing a specific address would be doxxing, and making any use of it would be at least creepy if not worse. * there are a few fans with intel background that could do that easily enough; the one's I'm aware of are discreet, which is something one usually learns with that background. The more worrisome ones would be the naturals, that think that way without the discipline that goes with the training.
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Post by lawrence on Dec 31, 2023 9:18:11 GMT -5
Unfortunately there not participating in this forum but are actively and enthusiastically posting in other forums. The question you should be asking yourself Larry is why. Why is that Larry? I know why but I’m positive you wouldn’t like to hear the answer. Please tell us why members whom you suppose would normally contribute enthusiastically to this forum by posting comments and engaging in conversation prefer to do so on other forums. I presume you are inferring that the Amazon forum is their preference, that being the reason you know this to be true. And, why should I ask myself the question? "Let her rip', as you say, if it will help in understanding the problem and increasing participation here, presuming of course that is your interest as well as mine.
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Post by johnnyb on Dec 31, 2023 13:35:07 GMT -5
I’m not inferring anything but the facts, the fact this forum is basically on life support. You and few other OTT’s have basically chased away members with your holy er than thou attitudes, unwilling to allow any opposing opinions other then your own to be debated. The facts of the matter are clear, the majority aren’t buying what you’re selling anymore Larry, which is mostly Mush an Gush. The little girl with the big voice has left the building, thank you and goodnight. 😉
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Post by lawrence on Jan 1, 2024 7:52:55 GMT -5
I’m not inferring anything but the facts, the fact this forum is basically on life support. You and few other OTT’s have basically chased away members with your holy er than thou attitudes, unwilling to allow any opposing opinions other then your own to be debated. The facts of the matter are clear, the majority aren’t buying what you’re selling anymore Larry, which is mostly Mush an Gush. The little girl with the big voice has left the building, thank you and goodnight. 😉 You haven't presented any facts, johnny, only an accusation that I and "a few OTTs" have chased members away.....no names, no evidence that anyone's opposing opinions have not been allowed to be debated, no proof of this "majority" who have supposedly left because they "aren't buying the mush and gush".....Rather speaking for yourself. Since this forum is "basically on life support", as you say, you might do something productive to help keep it vibrant. As the saying goes, "Either you are part of the solution or part of the problem", meaning that "If you don't take direct action to make things better you're an obstacle to change". Here's what's coming from Jackie this year, something we all can promote and support.
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Post by ghost on Jan 31, 2024 10:49:41 GMT -5
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Post by ghost on Mar 27, 2024 11:37:07 GMT -5
Great news!
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Post by rlhamil on Mar 27, 2024 13:25:56 GMT -5
Unfortunately there not participating in this forum but are actively and enthusiastically posting in other forums. The question you should be asking yourself Larry is why. Why is that Larry? I know why but I’m positive you wouldn’t like to hear the answer. Please tell us why members whom you suppose would normally contribute enthusiastically to this forum by posting comments and engaging in conversation prefer to do so on other forums. I presume you are inferring that the Amazon forum is their preference, that being the reason you know this to be true. And, why should I ask myself the question? "Let her rip', as you say, if it will help in understanding the problem and increasing participation here, presuming of course that is your interest as well as mine. Foremost I want information. Even if it comes together with a lot of...sludge. And it can be really hard to resist the temptation to smack a troll. :-) IMO there is or should be some room for polite constructive criticism - which is certainly not what the chronic naysayers are doing. Still there a place for something that's not an echo chamber. I despise CNN, but I watch them occasionally because on topics they haven't yet figured out how to apply their bias to, they're not horrible (their website on the bridge collapse that receives regular updates has been pretty good); and to know what trash the adversaries are talking. Extend the example. If I find something that's appropriate to share that I don't think has been posted here (or there) yet, I'll typically post it both places. Otherwise, discussion (or praise or nonconstructive criticism either) for its own sake doesn't do a lot for me if the information content is negligible. The Jackie's version vs the original thread (although generally I'm not fond of comparisons, since they're often used to put down one or the other), although strictly not NEW information, is at least interesting because some people might not have gone through the comparison (I did for a number of songs, but not for all of them). Other discussions that bring out points about content or postings or the like, as long as they stay civil, can be interesting too. But posting for posting's sake, discussion for discussion's sake, blech. From my POV, wearing merch t-shirts is unusual; I could count the number of people I'm willing to advertise or even give much word-of-mouth for on one hand, and not use all the fingers. Of mere mortals, Jackie's gotten way more than her share of that from me. :-)
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