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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 9:03:10 GMT -5
IMO, the problem is that there is a continuum of possible statements that one can make about Jackie or anyone else, from completely over the top to complete hate ("under the bottom" ). Where should the line be drawn? That is very hard to do.
I thought that there was nothing wrong about posting that one was concerned about Jackie drinking at the Sugar Factory, but I now think it matters exactly what one writes, and others have different opinions. I don't think that one can only state that Jackie is the greatest singer in the history of the galaxy.
There are continuums about mostly anything. Admin just stated that it is OK to talk about the Civil War and Vietnam. So, where is the line? Is talking about Trump's first year OK too? I think not, but ... If one can talk about the Vietnam war, can we discuss why a certain person did not serve there?
Ursus, To my knowledge, no one here has an exaggerated opinion of Jackie's voice. When one objects to the vocabulary another uses in an attempt to describe his impression, such as "exquisite", "enchanting", "mesmerizing, etc. when words seem inadequate to ones experience, labeling him/her "OTT" or "mush and gush", is where a line should be drawn. That is not disagreeing, but rather, it is ridiculing. No one can make a determination about another's experience, nor has he a right to humiliate another for what he thinks and feels because one doesn't share that experience. Ridiculing in such a manner is a demonstration that one himself has a mediocre opinion at best. "Beautiful", "unique" or "pretty" are generic adjectives that express nothing out of the ordinary, and seem the limit of one's appreciation, and therefore the extent of his tolerance. Anything beyond that seems to trigger disdain. In support of msims, it's apparent that one with such a disposition is here with a purpose to be disagreeable and therefore not in support of the fan community, but in opposition to it. One in particular is rather smug in his right to speak his mind to those who "should develop a tough skin". You clearly are talking about folks like me Lawrence, so I will respond. It really is about the fact that I don't compliment Jackie enough for your liking. Even when I do, you still don't think it's enough.... hence why I would bring up things like I obviously don't "mush and gush" enough for your liking. If pointing out that Jackie is very talented vs not saying that Jackie has the greatest voice in the world doesn't satisfy your criteria or any others criteria for being a Jackie fan, I guess I will just have to live with it. In regards to Sims rant, most fan forums, like others that I have visited have no problem coping with different points of views. I would like to thank Rick and the other moderators in here for allowing all of us to state our opinions without the fear of being bullied by others, and all you need to know is Rob is LOL at this post.... sad!
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Post by rob49 on Dec 16, 2018 9:53:36 GMT -5
When applied to voice, the term unique needs to be further defined since claiming a voice is unique does not even give a clue if the person making that claim loves or hates that singer's voice. It is also ONLY that indivual's opinion and therefore unproven. There are ways that can factually prove a voice to be unique, one of which has been mentioned during this exchange on this forum and elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 10:21:12 GMT -5
When applied to voice, the term unique needs to be further defined since claiming a voice is unique does not even give a clue if the person making that claim loves or hates that singer's voice. It is also ONLY that indivual's opinion and therefore unproven. There are ways that can factually prove a voice to be unique, one of which has been mentioned during this exchange on this forum and elsewhere. I think both Shirley Bassey and Jackie have unique and lovely voices. Hopefully that will be clear enough for certain members in here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 14:49:35 GMT -5
Ursus, To my knowledge, no one here has an exaggerated opinion of Jackie's voice. When one objects to the vocabulary another uses in an attempt to describe his impression, such as "exquisite", "enchanting", "mesmerizing, etc. when words seem inadequate to ones experience, labeling him/her "OTT" or "mush and gush", is where a line should be drawn. That is not disagreeing, but rather, it is ridiculing. No one can make a determination about another's experience, nor has he a right to humiliate another for what he thinks and feels because one doesn't share that experience. Ridiculing in such a manner is a demonstration that one himself has a mediocre opinion at best. "Beautiful", "unique" or "pretty" are generic adjectives that express nothing out of the ordinary, and seem the limit of one's appreciation, and therefore the extent of his tolerance. Anything beyond that seems to trigger disdain. In support of msims, it's apparent that one with such a disposition is here with a purpose to be disagreeable and therefore not in support of the fan community, but in opposition to it. One in particular is rather smug in his right to speak his mind to those who "should develop a tough skin". You clearly are talking about folks like me Lawrence, so I will respond. It really is about the fact that I don't compliment Jackie enough for your liking. Even when I do, you still don't think it's enough.... hence why I would bring up things like I obviously don't "mush and gush" enough for your liking. If pointing out that Jackie is very talented vs not saying that Jackie has the greatest voice in the world doesn't satisfy your criteria or any others criteria for being a Jackie fan, I guess I will just have to live with it. In regards to Sims rant, most fan forums, like others that I have visited have no problem coping with different points of views. I would like to thank Rick and the other moderators in here for allowing all of us to state our opinions without the fear of being bullied by others, and all you need to know is Rob is LOL at this post.... sad! cer, Your disdain is showing again. No one here as said "Jackie has the greatest voice in the world". Don't bring exaggerated statements from video comments here to support your defense. No one has suggested what you should think of Jackie's voice as criteria for being a fan, or that it's "not enough". You have defined what you suppose the criteria are yourself with your "mush and gush" remarks. I really don't care that your opinion of Jackie's voice is less than enthusiastic. Just stop ridiculing others for what they express and respect their experience with a little more tolerance and understanding. If you can't, then you will have to live with our objections.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 14:56:19 GMT -5
You clearly are talking about folks like me Lawrence, so I will respond. It really is about the fact that I don't compliment Jackie enough for your liking. Even when I do, you still don't think it's enough.... hence why I would bring up things like I obviously don't "mush and gush" enough for your liking. If pointing out that Jackie is very talented vs not saying that Jackie has the greatest voice in the world doesn't satisfy your criteria or any others criteria for being a Jackie fan, I guess I will just have to live with it. In regards to Sims rant, most fan forums, like others that I have visited have no problem coping with different points of views. I would like to thank Rick and the other moderators in here for allowing all of us to state our opinions without the fear of being bullied by others, and all you need to know is Rob is LOL at this post.... sad! cer, Your disdain is showing again. No one here as said "Jackie has the greatest voice in the world". Don't bring exaggerated statements from video comments here to support your defense. No one has suggested what you should think of Jackie's voice as criteria for being a fan, or that it's "not enough". You have defined what you suppose the criteria are yourself with your "mush and gush" remarks. I really don't care that your opinion of Jackie's voice is less than enthusiastic. Just stop ridiculing others for what they express and respect their experience with a little more tolerance and understanding. If you can't, then you will have to live with our objections. Actually your disdain shows every time when you call me out and others when we don't meet your JE fan criteria. Some in here actually think that Jackie has the best voice around. So, I haven't exaggerated anything. Well, I will just have to live with your objections.... so carry on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 17:21:03 GMT -5
IMO, unless you are a professional critic of the arts then your "opinions" are very close to being that of a child abuser. Since no one here is a professional critic of the arts, is it only those who say something negative about Jackie child abusers, or does that pertain to those who criticize other children?
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Post by agog on Dec 16, 2018 17:23:00 GMT -5
Is Jackie just another pretty voice?
I was hoping this thread would hold a discussion about the many ways Jackie's voice has affected people with it's beauty. There are many examples of "the Jackie effect." We've read them over the years. Jackie brings a LOT of beauty into this often bleak world.
I've seen concerts where many more Jackie fans left the venue than arrived.
Share with us your personal memories or recount what you've read from others about Jackie's voice affecting them.
If you aren't particularly positively affected by Jackie Evancho's voice you have no reason to post on this thread.
FROM THE SHOUT BOX: "Nah Agog, I think a boost of realism is always helpful at any fan site imho of course."
Someone needs to cull the dissension bringers even if they are here for the highly principled reason to "boost realism"
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Post by rob49 on Dec 16, 2018 17:31:28 GMT -5
cer, Your disdain is showing again. No one here as said "Jackie has the greatest voice in the world". Don't bring exaggerated statements from video comments here to support your defense. No one has suggested what you should think of Jackie's voice as criteria for being a fan, or that it's "not enough". You have defined what you suppose the criteria are yourself with your "mush and gush" remarks. I really don't care that your opinion of Jackie's voice is less than enthusiastic. Just stop ridiculing others for what they express and respect their experience with a little more tolerance and understanding. If you can't, then you will have to live with our objections. Actually your disdain shows every time when you call me out and others when we don't meet your JE fan criteria. Some in here actually think that Jackie has the best voice around. So, I haven't exaggerated anything. Well, I will just have to live with your objections.... so carry on. What a load of crap.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 17:34:26 GMT -5
Actually your disdain shows every time when you call me out and others when we don't meet your JE fan criteria. Some in here actually think that Jackie has the best voice around. So, I haven't exaggerated anything. Well, I will just have to live with your objections.... so carry on. What a load of crap. Whenever you say something like that Rob, I know I hit my mark. CHEERS!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 17:37:54 GMT -5
Is Jackie just another pretty voice? I was hoping this thread would hold a discussion about the many ways Jackie's voice has affected people with it's beauty. There are many examples of "the Jackie effect." We've read them over the years. Jackie brings a LOT of beauty into this often bleak world. I've seen concerts where many more Jackie fans left the venue than arrived. Share with us your personal memories or recount what you've read from others about Jackie's voice affecting them. If you aren't particularly positively affected by Jackie Evancho's voice you have no reason to post on this thread. FROM THE SHOUT BOX: "Nah Agog, I think a boost of realism is always helpful at any fan site imho of course." Someone needs to cull the dissension bringers even if they are here for the highly principled reason to "boost realism" If you aren't particularly positively affected by Jackie Evancho's voice you have no reason to post on this thread.
I think Jackie has a beautiful voice. I would say that is rather positive!
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Post by rob49 on Dec 16, 2018 17:41:45 GMT -5
Whenever you say something like that Rob, I know I hit my mark. CHEERS! You hit all the marks of anti-fans and those here only to add negativity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 17:45:40 GMT -5
Whenever you say something like that Rob, I know I hit my mark. CHEERS! You hit all the marks of anti-fans and those here only to add negativity. Not an anti fan, so you missed your mark as usual.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 19:29:52 GMT -5
cer, to ensure that I don't become an "agitator" in response to your propensity to be a jerk, it's back to blocking you. You're not worth my consideration. Carry on. I expect you will reply to impress someone else with your wit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 19:34:00 GMT -5
cer, to ensure that I don't become an "agitator" in response to your propensity to be a jerk, It's back to blocking you. You're not worth my consideration. Carry on. I expect you will reply to impress someone else with your wit. I know you will peak like you usually do, so this won't be the last time that you will respond to me I'm sure. I can handle disagreement, too bad that you can't. AHOY for now!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 22:19:02 GMT -5
cer, to ensure that I don't become an "agitator" in response to your propensity to be a jerk, It's back to blocking you. You're not worth my consideration. Carry on. I expect you will reply to impress someone else with your wit. I know you will peak like you usually do, so this won't be the last time that you will respond to me I'm sure. I can handle disagreement, too bad that you can't. AHOY for now! You're right, cer. I peaked. I'm no fool. It's wise to keep an eye on you. Blocking is a measure of discipline to refrain from unnecessarily reacting to you. What I can't see is easier to avoid. It has worked well for my peace of mind and that of the membership, I hope. But, sometimes the situation guarantees you've had something to say that requires a need to refute it. This thread has given me cause to view your remarks and an opportunity to watch you dig a hole for yourself, with just a little help from those who know you and you can't outwit. I'll continue to "peak" on occasion just to see what you're up to.
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