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Post by agog on Nov 18, 2018 16:59:37 GMT -5
Perhaps, this will turn out to be the young musician who can take Jackie to a new level of adult popularity. He's certainly different from the old hacks she's been working with. Julia, As far as we know from Jorn's sound snippet, he is providing piano tracks, certainly along with other musicians laying tracks, for two or maybe more songs on the album. Why, in your opinion, would he have enough influence upon the album to "take Jackie to a new level of adult populartity"? And, please tell us who in particular, are the "old hacks" to whom you refer., Lawrence, you and Julia are two people I enjoy being on a Jackie forum with. You're a "My Jackie right or wrong (and I ain't found no wrong yet") type. Julia on the other hand is not so much a fan bowled over by Jackie's voice and demeanor as most of us long time male fans were/are. Julia is a pragmatist. She never said she was a "fan" yet she certainly is not an anti-fan. She's never, to my knowledge, made a snarky remark toward Jackie or to us fans. She enjoys observing what people, in this case Jackie, do with what they're given and what circumstances they find themselves in. What little I know about Julia is admirable. She had a successful career as an editor. She used her education and intellect to earn a living. She raised four [Oops five. Thx Rick.] children to be successful in their own right, I'm certain her ability to determine if a child was applying their abilities contributed greatly to her children's success. Speaking as one who has very much enjoyed Julia's unemotional, thoughtful posts over the years and on several platforms I feel she brings a lot to a Jackie discussion site. She seems to me to be an anchor of practicality to us emotionally enthralled fans. You will notice I emboldened and colored your question to Julia. She answered you in a forthright unemotional manner, defending her statement. I try to be that way but often find myself unable to maintain composure especially on the other forum. As a FAN, I would like to see Jackie more widely appreciated than she is. Perhaps if she had the gentle guidance of a Julia type in her circle she would be. Perhaps in time she will spread her wings on her own. This fan hopes so. Jackie's gift is truly extraordinary, Her passion? Her drive? Well....
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Post by rickolsen on Nov 18, 2018 17:36:18 GMT -5
I agree with everything Agog said about Julia. She is my friend. I just have to clear up one thing. Julia has five daughters, not four.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 18:17:47 GMT -5
Julia, As far as we know from Jorn's sound snippet, he is providing piano tracks, certainly along with other musicians laying tracks, for two or maybe more songs on the album. Why, in your opinion, would he have enough influence upon the album to "take Jackie to a new level of adult populartity"? And, please tell us who in particular, are the "old hacks" to whom you refer., Lawrence, you and Julia are two people I enjoy being on a Jackie forum with. You're a "My Jackie right or wrong (and I ain't found no wrong yet") type. Julia on the other hand is not so much a fan bowled over by Jackie's voice and demeanor as most of us long time male fans were/are. Julia is a pragmatist. She never said she was a "fan" yet she certainly is not an anti-fan. She's never, to my knowledge, made a snarky remark toward Jackie or to us fans. She enjoys observing what people, in this case Jackie, do with what they're given and what circumstances they find themselves in. What little I know about Julia is admirable. She had a successful career as an editor. She used her education and intellect to earn a living. She raised four [Oops five. Thx Rick.] children to be successful in their own right, I'm certain her ability to determine if a child was applying their abilities contributed greatly to her children's success. Speaking as one who has very much enjoyed Julia's unemotional, thoughtful posts over the years and on several platforms I feel she brings a lot to a Jackie discussion site. She seems to me to be an anchor of practicality to us emotionally enthralled fans. You will notice I emboldened and colored your question to Julia. She answered you in a forthright unemotional manner, defending her statement. I try to be that way but often find myself unable to maintain composure especially on the other forum. As a FAN, I would like to see Jackie more widely appreciated than she is. Perhaps if she had the gentle guidance of a Julia type in her circle she would be. Perhaps in time she will spread her wings on her own. This fan hopes so. Jackie's gift is truly extraordinary, Her passion? Her drive? Well.... Agog, Thanks for your appreciation of my participation here. I respect Julia's pragmatism. I assure you my question (perhaps misinterpreted) was an inquiry for information, not an inference that she is an "anti-fan". I did not debate or contend with her answer to that question.
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Nov 18, 2018 19:02:59 GMT -5
Julia, As far as we know from Jorn's sound snippet, he is providing piano tracks, certainly along with other musicians laying tracks, for two or maybe more songs on the album. Why, in your opinion, would he have enough influence upon the album to "take Jackie to a new level of adult populartity"? And, please tell us who in particular, are the "old hacks" to whom you refer., Lawrence, you and Julia are two people I enjoy being on a Jackie forum with. You're a "My Jackie right or wrong (and I ain't found no wrong yet") type. Julia on the other hand is not so much a fan bowled over by Jackie's voice and demeanor as most of us long time male fans were/are. Julia is a pragmatist. She never said she was a "fan" yet she certainly is not an anti-fan. She's never, to my knowledge, made a snarky remark toward Jackie or to us fans. She enjoys observing what people, in this case Jackie, do with what they're given and what circumstances they find themselves in. What little I know about Julia is admirable. She had a successful career as an editor. She used her education and intellect to earn a living. She raised four [Oops five. Thx Rick.] children to be successful in their own right, I'm certain her ability to determine if a child was applying their abilities contributed greatly to her children's success. Speaking as one who has very much enjoyed Julia's unemotional, thoughtful posts over the years and on several platforms I feel she brings a lot to a Jackie discussion site. She seems to me to be an anchor of practicality to us emotionally enthralled fans. You will notice I emboldened and colored your question to Julia. She answered you in a forthright unemotional manner, defending her statement. I try to be that way but often find myself unable to maintain composure especially on the other forum. As a FAN, I would like to see Jackie more widely appreciated than she is. Perhaps if she had the gentle guidance of a Julia type in her circle she would be. Perhaps in time she will spread her wings on her own. This fan hopes so. Jackie's gift is truly extraordinary, Her passion? Her drive? Well.... Gee whiz, Agog, thank you.
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Post by Julia Trenholm on Nov 18, 2018 19:04:34 GMT -5
I agree with everything Agog said about Julia. She is my friend. I just have to clear up one thing. Julia has five daughters, not four. You bet, Rick and always have been.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Nov 18, 2018 22:42:05 GMT -5
Coming back to music - there are so many lists of New American Songbook - one is certain - putting Hello by Adele Atkins into it is a joke - she is british So all Adele songs are kind of out if one wants to be taken serious.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Nov 18, 2018 23:25:04 GMT -5
I really hope she knows what she is doing - singing this new epic song - the stakes are very high... Jackie has been recording epic songs since she was 10. When you registered, it was apparent by your initial posts that you are not here as an advocate for Jackie. I expect we'll here more of your expert criticism. Not that it isn't welcomed, or course. Are you identifying with Till Eulenspeigel, the 16th century German fictional character infamous for his "clownish pranks and tricks"? No it's no Eulenspiegelei - my real surnnane I real meant it serious. Not to be harsh - but the Evsncho die hard fans will be dead in the long run...so she has to kind of invent/try/learn new things - O bambino caro sounded nice for a 10 year old but compared to a real trained opera singer...there is so much lack of technique. Every year, every casting show the same 2-3 aries..all the so called operatic talents - if she really wants to follow this path she has to study this, train her voice and act professionel, same in musical genre. Voice is just another instrument ..in a way the best - made by god...but you have to train it like every other talent. In all kind of things science tells you that only 5-10% are talent - the rest is just daily hard work - if you want to be a world class classic concert pianist you just have to train your play from very early age 4-5-6 hours for the rest of your life - each day - same as a violinst. A professionsl singer mabye does not need such amount of time..but to a certain point. If she really wants to write her own songs she has to learn the basics. Until now for me she really sounded best when she did not sing this fake cross over stuff - just lyrical. Mimicking an opera voice isn't so difficult but it's just mimicking. From the start she had the wrong role model - Sarah Brightman. After a few years I learned that Jackie Evancho does not want to be a real opera singer - that is totally Ok - but then she is just no able to sing the music she wants to sing in a professional high quality way. The biggest problem is that most people have the totally wrong definition of classical cross over - it has nothing to to with mimicking classical genre ..real cross over only excists if you are an expert in your genre and play other genres/or with class musicians of other genres ..if not it's just music made by amateurs - the dancing violinist compared to her or him with her She does not need any pimping up etc. That's crossover at it's best. So if JE really does not want to be a fly in the pan in the long run...and she has the talent - she has to work hard. And it's not about being a hater - all her friends, fans, family, mentors, producers ...should have told her that in recent years...she wasted so much time and talent. You are just no real friend, fan whatever if you are not abke to tell someone the truth.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Nov 18, 2018 23:47:30 GMT -5
Real talent with likely hard work for ages
he is only 23 - own BBC Prom 2018
Hard work pays off - 2 Grammies already 2017
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 14:17:35 GMT -5
Eulenspiegel,
As a matter of respecting the subject "New American Songbook" which you have used to present your criticisms, there are other threads more appropriate to your intention, under Jackie's Music perhaps. Folks come to this thread to discuss Jackie's new album. Your assessment of her voice and it's deficiencies is irrelevant to the discussion here, in my opinion. I will gladly address your views elsewhere. Meanwhile I have no further comment lest it perpetuate more off-topic posts here.
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Post by yellowstone2014 on Nov 19, 2018 14:45:42 GMT -5
Eulenspiegel, As a matter of respecting the subject "New American Songbook" which you have used to present your criticisms, there are other threads more appropriate to your intention, under Jackie's music perhaps. Folks come to this thread to discuss Jackie's new album. Your assessment of her voice and it's deficiencies is irrelevant to the discussion here, in my opinion. I will gladly address your views elsewhere. Meanwhile I have no further comment lest it perpetuate more off-topic posts here. I agree 100%.
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Post by bastet on Nov 19, 2018 16:07:52 GMT -5
I listen to a lot of different music, different genres and artists. Jackie is one of them. I didn't come to this site to bash her, she has her own reasons for doing what she does. If you don't like what you hear, try another web site.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 16:32:57 GMT -5
Eulenspiegel is clearly not a music critic and the proof of the matter is reflected in her duets with Andrea B. and Placido D. for example. Both of these musical talents conduct master classes for classical singers. You can be absolutely sure that if these two vocalists choose to sing with Jackie then they deem her talented enough without fear of risking their stature to criticism. Both of them sang with Jackie when she was in her teens …..beyond her 10 year old novelty period.
With regards to Jackie's current situation, I believe that a new pop sound for her will take some time to develop. Just as preparing for a career in opera requires formal training, so does changing from a Bel Canto style of singing to that of a pop Belter. A vocalist with a classical style of singing simply cannot become a belter over night. The risk of permanent damage to vocals is too risky if pushed too hard too quickly.
I'm not a musical critic which requires a formal musical education nor am I vocal teacher/trainer but I do read. I feel that cutting Jackie some slack until she is properly prepared for a more pop oriented career, if that direction is her desire, is not a huge thing to consider by all her detractors.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 16:33:51 GMT -5
I listen to a lot of different music, different genres and artists. Jackie is one of them. I didn't come to this site to bash her, she has her own reasons for doing what she does. If you don't like what you hear, try another web site.
I have no problem talking about Jackie along with other talented artists at this site. Some folks have an issue with that as well...
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Post by rob49 on Nov 19, 2018 16:41:17 GMT -5
Jackie has been recording epic songs since she was 10. When you registered, it was apparent by your initial posts that you are not here as an advocate for Jackie. I expect we'll here more of your expert criticism. Not that it isn't welcomed, or course. Are you identifying with Till Eulenspeigel, the 16th century German fictional character infamous for his "clownish pranks and tricks"? - O bambino caro sounded nice for a 10 year old but compared to a real trained opera singer... As you mentioned in your jiber jaber Jackie has NO interest in being an opera singer, so "compared to a real trained opera singer" is a non-issue. But if asked, the truth is many more people will tell you, they like the more beautiful tone of not only 10 year old Jackie, but also the vastly improved vioce of 18 year old Jackie, than that of "real trained" opera singers.
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Post by rob49 on Nov 19, 2018 16:44:58 GMT -5
Real talent with likely hard work for ages he is only 23 - own BBC Prom 2018 Hard work pays off - 2 Grammies already 2017 LOL You got to be kidding.
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